2024 Trade Deadline

[max silver]

How about Lux + James Outman

 

That could easily end up like JA Happ for McKinnery and Drury all over again.

[Joltin Joe]

Kikuchi + RP for Gavin Lux

Miller + Lux for Kikuchi? Take a chance he rebounds

[Laika]

How about Lux + James Outman

 

don't really see the point in Lux, the Jays have enough 2B types between IKF, Clement, Horwitz, Barger and Lux doesn't even project better offensively at this point

 

Outman is more interesting but he's just a platoon OF

[Jimcanuck]

Retooling is what the Jays did for 20 f***ing years with nothing to show for it. They should focus on getting as many lower level high risk/reward guys they can.

[Stangstag]

Miller + Lux for Kikuchi? Take a chance he rebounds

 

That's too steep. I could see Kikuchi for one of those guys but not both

[Stangstag]

Retooling is what the Jays did for 20 f***ing years with nothing to show for it. They should focus on getting as many lower level high risk/reward guys they can.

 

Yeah I don't think anyone here is debating what the best course of direction is. We are just discussing what we think is the realistic scenario of what will happen

[John_Havok]

Flaherty was dogwater last year though, and for a season or two prior.

 

Kikuchi is better than Flaherty when he was traded.

 

Remains to be seen how teams will value a guy like Kikuchi as a lefty with great K numbers that could also be pushed to the bullpen if needed.

 

Sure but, lets guess.

 

would a team give up a guy in the top 100 for Kikuchi? I'm doubting so. I'm also just using the top 100 as a loose guideline since we know all teams will value players differently, though the higher you get in the rankings, or course the more consensus there might be from team to team on a guys value.

 

Like, of all the guys being most likely moved... Jansen, Kikuchi, KK, Turner - is there even a remote chance of 1 guy in the top 100? Probably not. It's going to lottery tickets and maybe an arm or two that might be low leverage pen or 5th starter at best kind of returns.

[Jimcanuck]

Miller + Lux for Kikuchi? Take a chance he rebounds

 

I'd take Miller for Kikuchi in a heartbeat

[John_Havok]

I'd take Miller for Kikuchi in a heartbeat

 

I think if the Dodgers were willing to part with Miller for a few months of Kikuchi, I'd be seriously thinking about something being very wrong with Miller. Even in AAA this year his ability to miss bats has all but vanished.

[Brownie19]

Miller + Lux for Kikuchi? Take a chance he rebounds

 

Dodgers aren't stupid Joe.

[Brownie19]

Sure but, lets guess.

 

would a team give up a guy in the top 100 for Kikuchi? I'm doubting so. I'm also just using the top 100 as a loose guideline since we know all teams will value players differently, though the higher you get in the rankings, or course the more consensus there might be from team to team on a guys value.

 

Like, of all the guys being most likely moved... Jansen, Kikuchi, KK, Turner - is there even a remote chance of 1 guy in the top 100? Probably not. It's going to lottery tickets and maybe an arm or two that might be low leverage pen or 5th starter at best kind of returns.

 

I think Kikucci draws a Top 100 prospect myself. 3.33 xFIP, 3.59 FIP, 10+ K/9. Kikucci shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as 2023 Jack Flaherty (4.47 xFIP, 4.20 FIP, 8.7 K/9)

[Brownie19]

ok, my bad. what is "oldtimers"

 

Slang for alzheimer's

[hanton]

I'd take Miller for Kikuchi in a heartbeat

 

me too or some combination of miller/lux/plus I would insist on one of Rushing (that's not happening), Cartaya/Liranzo. Maybe add in Bo and make it a blockbuster

[Brownie19]

Bo is a smart and media savvy individual. He grew up with a dad in MLB. You are naive to think Bo said something like that off the cuff.

 

Someone who wants to be traded who is not and still remains on a team is problematic.

 

If you are with company A and you make it publicly known you would welcome a job or interview with company B, what do you think that implies about company A?

 

Start seeing the forest through the trees Dude!

 

Maybe - but that's a lot of assumptions you've drawn from one interview/report. You're going to interpret whatever you want - that's obvious, so no sense in debating it.

 

I fully expect there are LOTS of current MLB players who aren't happy in their current situation. Do you think any of the vets on Toronto are super happy with the direction of the team right now? You think they are super stoked to be wasting the last productive years they have on a losing team that has no real shot of contending anytime soon? You think any quality player wants to play for the A's, White Sox or Rockies? Assuming an unhappy player is going to create a problem for the organization/clubhouse just doesn't add up - if it did, there would be problems across baseball.

 

The Jays aren't going to give up Bo for free, which is probably the going rate for his services right now. They might get something of value for him in the offseason when his pussy heals. However, it is 100% not in Bo's best interest to cause a massive stink and/or dog it during his last year under contract. Regardless of whether he's happy or not, he has EVERY incentive imaginable to keep his mouth shut and work his f***ing tail off this offseason and next season to produce at an all-star level and prove that 2024 was a small blip in the radar and that he is the 4-5 WAR shortstop he's been the last 4 seasons. Who the f*** is going to want to give out an 8 year $200M deal to the little bitch who pouted and quit on his team because they weren't winning - when a BIG reason for that was his s***** play?

 

It just doesn't add up for me.

[John_Havok]

Lets take a look at some trades form last years deadlines that are kinda close to what Jimi is doing this year.

 

Yankees acquire RHP Keynan Middleton from White Sox for RHP Juan Carela - Carela is still only 21 years old. At High-A in 2023, the starting pitcher had a 2-4 record and 3.67 ERA, along with 11.8 K/9 IP.[/b]

 

Brewers acquire LHP Andrew Chafin from D-backs for RHP Peter Strzelecki - Strzelecki is a 28-year-old righty who has posted a 3.69 ERA in 66 appearances over the past two seasons (4.54 ERA in 2023) after making his MLB debut in 2022[/b]

 

Angels acquire RHP Dominic Leone from Mets for INF Jeremiah Jackson - Jackson, an infielder who was ranked as the No. 9 prospect in the Angels system. He was in AA[/b]

 

D-backs acquire RHP Paul Sewald from Mariners for INF Josh Rojas, OF/1B Dominic Canzone and INF Ryan Bliss -

 

Blue Jays acquire RHP Jordan Hicks from Cardinals for RHPs Sem Robberse and Adam Kloffenstein - Robberse was the Blue Jays' No. 7 prospect. Kloffenstein, a third-round Draft pick in 2018, had posted a 3.24 ERA at Double-A with 105 K's in 89 innings.

 

Marlins acquire RHP David Robertson from Mets for INF Marco Vargas and C Ronald Hernández - In exchange for Robertson, a rental piece with an expiring contract, the Marlins shipped 18-year-old infielder Vargas (No. 18 prospect) and 19-year-old catcher Hernández (No. 21). Both are playing in the Rookie-level Florida Complex League.

 

Rangers acquire LHP Aroldis Chapman from Royals for LHP Cole Ragans and OF Roni Cabrera - This was about a month before the deadline, and the entire baseball world knew this was a massive overpay. It worked out though since they won the WS and despite the clear win for KC in the trade, the Rangers are fine with it.

 

 

I don't think the Jays are gonna get a Royals output from trading Jimi. Robertson and Hicks were both closers, as was Sewald, and Sewals was still under control for 2024. I put in the Middleton, Leone and Chafin deals as they were all very solid arms, but not closers, like Jimi.

 

So it would seem like a return somewhere between those and the closer rentals would be something the Jays could expect for Jimi this season, assuming he comes back and throws a few dominant innings before he gets dealt. Maybe a team's prospect ranked in the 8-10 range plus a very low level lotto ticket

[hanton]

not really true since he turned down 4 other teams who wanted to draft him before the Jays took him. Those are his own words. Seems like he wanted to be in Toronto... at least in the start.

 

yea he wanted to come here, he also looked up to Tulo

[John_Havok]

yea he wanted to come here, he also looked up to Tulo

 

Amd Semien when he was here. dude pretty much cried when Semien left.

[connorp]

I'd take Miller for Kikuchi in a heartbeat

 

Don’t give that guy in your dynasty league any ideas trading Miller for Kooch

[Spanky99]

Both?

 

Not all that sharp, now is he. Hah

[Spanky99]

I fully expect the FO is weighing all those factors internally. Don't read into the s*** they tell the media. You also mis-quoted what Bo said.

 

Ok, Bo told his friends he would welcome a trade. I, and I think most would interpret that as preffering a trade.

 

What's this Bo quote stuff about?

[saskjayfan]

This trade deadline will be an epic fail if Bo Bichette doesn't get traded.

[max silver]

This trade deadline will be an epic fail if Bo Bichette doesn't get traded.

 

The guy is injured and having an awful season. What's the rush to trade him if it's going to return pennies on the dollar?

[Krylian]

The guy is injured and having an awful season. What's the rush to trade him if it's going to return pennies on the dollar?

 

He must really need those pennies

[Stangstag]

This trade deadline will be an epic fail if Bo Bichette doesn't get traded.

 

He won’t lol

[Brownie19]

This trade deadline will be an epic fail if Bo Bichette doesn't get traded.

 

This is a really bad take.

[Carlos Danger]

What's this Bo quote stuff about?

 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/blue-jays-all-star-slugger-tells-friends-hed-welcome-trade-insider/a28f05c43ff1849e0372bca0

[Spanky99]

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/blue-jays-all-star-slugger-tells-friends-hed-welcome-trade-insider/a28f05c43ff1849e0372bca0

 

That man's a click bait hack, the absolute worse.

[metafour]

I can make a more detailed post later, but the Athletic's Top 50 trade deadline candidates list which was released yesterday actually had Bichette at #4, above Vlad who they had at #5.

[Laika]

I can make a more detailed post later, but the Athletic's Top 50 trade deadline candidates list which was released yesterday actually had Bichette at #4, above Vlad who they had at #5.

 

Bit of a different list I guess. They did "top 50 players who could be dealt" so some of the ranked players are long shots.

 

4. Bo Bichette, SS, Blue Jays

Positional ranking: No. 2 Bat

Age: 26

Contract status: Owed $20.2 million through 2025

First-half stats: .221/.274/.320/.595, 4 HR, 30 RBI, 0.2 WAR

Likelihood of being dealt: 🟡

 

It’s not an ideal time for the Blue Jays to shop Bo Bichette given his poor first half, repeated calf injuries and recent trip to the injured list, but he has an established track record of star-caliber play and interested teams know they’d have him signed for 2025 as well. He’d be an especially intriguing target for a team that believes it could sign the 26-year-old to a long-term extension as an infield building block, particularly if the Blue Jays are insisting on a huge return to part with their starting shortstop since 2019.

 

Potential landing spots:

 

ATL, BOS, LAD

 

5. Vladimir Guerrero Jr., 1B, Blue Jays

Positional ranking: No. 3 Bat

Age: 25

Contract status: Owed $6.6 million in 2024, then arbitration eligible through 2025

First-half stats: .288/.361/.456/.816, 14 HR, 55 RBI, 1.5 WAR

Likelihood of being dealt: 🔴

 

As with Bichette, Toronto can happily hold on to Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and try again next year. Or the Jays can dive headfirst into a rebuild by landing a haul of prospects for a four-time All-Star who’s still only 25. While Guerrero hasn’t repeated the 2021 numbers that garnered him an MVP runner-up, he looked close to that version of himself in May and June. He’s a game-changing bat with a chunk of his prime still to go.

Potential landing spots:

 

HOU,MIN,SEA

 

17. Yusei Kikuchi, LHP, Blue Jays

Positional ranking: No. 7 SP

Age: 33

Contract status: Owed $3.3 million in 2024, then a free agent

First-half stats: 4-8, 4.42 ERA, 26.0 K%, 5.8 BB%, 2.0 WAR

Likelihood of being dealt: 🟢

 

Yusei Kikuchi has been good rather than great in three seasons with the Blue Jays, putting together dominant stretches only to struggle for weeks at a time. Still, his high strikeout rate and demonstrated ability to pitch like an All-Star for stretches is likely enough to make him one of the most sought-after rental starters available. He would fit nicely in the No. 3 or No. 4 spot of most contending rotations, but might not appeal to every team as a reliable playoff rotation option against righty-heavy lineups.

Potential landing spots:

 

HOU,MIN,STL

 

28. Danny Jansen, C, Blue Jays

Positional ranking: No. 14 Bat

Age: 29

Contract status: Owed $1.7 million in 2024, then a free agent

First-half stats: .223/.316/.391/.707, 6 HR, 17 RBI, 0.9 WAR

Likelihood of being dealt: 🟢

 

Upgrading behind the plate can be nearly impossible at the deadline, and Danny Jansen figures to be the clear-cut best catcher available. His weak arm could scare off some teams, but he’s a solid pitch framer and has posted an average-or-better OPS in four straight seasons. Compared to the household-name big bats, he’s not exciting, but compared to the bleak catcher market he could be a relatively hot commodity. And the Blue Jays will want to get what they can for the impending free agent.

Potential landing spots:

 

SD,PIT,CLE

 

30. Chris Bassitt, RHP, Blue Jays

Positional ranking: No. 10 SP

Age: 35

Contract status: Owed $30 million through 2025

First-half stats: 8-7, 3.52 ERA, 21.3 K%, 9.6 BB%, 1.0 WAR

Likelihood of being dealt: 🟡

 

Assuming the Blue Jays decide to deal away more than just impending free agents, the 35-year-old Chris Bassitt, who has a limited no-trade clause, is a no-brainer to cash in. This is his seventh straight year with a sub-3.85 ERA, and next season’s $22 million salary is roughly the going rate for a second or third starter in free agency, without requiring a long commitment.

 

Potential landing spots:

 

STL,HOU,LAD

 

44. Yimi García, RHP, Blue Jays

Positional ranking: No. 9 RP

Age: 33

Contract status: Owed $2 million in 2024, then a free agent

First-half stats: 2.57 ERA, 34.6 K%, 6.5 BB%, 119 Stuff+, 0.7 WAR

Likelihood of being dealt: 🟢

 

Fresh off the injured list and in the final season of a three-year deal, Yimi García is an obvious arm for the Blue Jays to move. He’s unlikely to be atop any wish lists, but García’s high-90s fastball and 3.48 ERA since 2019 would slot nicely into a setup role at what figures to be a reasonable price tag.

Potential landing spots:

KC,PHI,BAL

 

48. Justin Turner, DH, Blue Jays

Positional ranking: No. 23 Bat

Age: 39

Contract status: Owed $4.3 million in 2024, then a free agent

First-half stats: .230/.334/.343/.678, 5 HR, 29 RBI, -0.1 WAR

Likelihood of being dealt: 🟢

 

It’s possible Justin Turner is cooked at age 39, but his track record and playoff experience could still be appealing for contenders in need of an inexpensive lineup boost. Toronto will be a motivated seller, and even with his overall numbers down this season Turner has continued to knock around lefties enough to be a potentially good platoon fit.

Potential landing spots:

 

PHI,BOS,SEA

[Carlos Danger]

That man's a click bait hack, the absolute worse.

 

Pretty sure if not true, there would have been a rapid and adamant denial.