GDT: 1/3 Toronto Blue Jays @ San Diego Padres (9:40pm et)

[Spanky99]

You always take the blue pill and live in an illusion. Leafs winning the Stanley Cup in 2024!

 

Hah... you got REKT, fool.

[Stangstag]

LOL give me a break.

 

You really need to go back and read my posts. I've given Atkins plenty of credit when it's due and also have been critical of him. I'm one of the more rational posters on this board.

 

Nah you’re unhinged. Actually the only poster here that made me so angry I wrote an entire rant post.

 

Wasn’t your whole narrative always that Atkins was “lucky” the rotation was healthy last year and that’s the only reason we made the postseason?

[max silver]

Nah you’re unhinged. Actually the only poster here that made me so angry I wrote an entire rant post.

 

Wasn’t your whole narrative always that Atkins was “lucky” the rotation was healthy last year and that’s the only reason we made the postseason?

 

And when a shrewd free agent signing worked out for the team it was "luck", but then when something bad happened that was ultimately out of the front office's control it was obviously their fault instead of an unlucky break.

[jaysblue]

Nah you’re unhinged. Actually the only poster here that made me so angry I wrote an entire rant post.

 

Wasn’t your whole narrative always that Atkins was “lucky” the rotation was healthy last year and that’s the only reason we made the postseason?

 

Yes there is a certain amount of luck involved if every member of your rotation stays healthy and makes 30+ starts. You can't guarantee that from season-to-season. Didn't I also give Atkins credit for building a fantastic rotation that was able to stay healthy and durable?

 

I never said the Jays only made the Postseason because Atkins was lucky. Again you're putting words into my mouth in order to fit your narrative. Yes a big reason why the team was a borderline WC team last year was due to their starting rotation pitching very well and staying healthy. If they lost Gausman or Berrios for an extended period of time, wouldn't have been good. The pitching - both rotation and bullpen - carried this team on their shoulders and into the Postseason. Wasn't the bats lol.

Edited April 21, 2024 by jaysblue

[jaysblue]

And when a shrewd free agent signing worked out for the team it was "luck", but then when something bad happened that was ultimately out of the front office's control it was obviously their fault instead of an unlucky break.

 

When something bad happened with this team last season, it was always just because of "bad luck' which was being thrown around as an excuse way too easily by some members on this board to give Atkins and the FO a free pass.

 

Yes, there was some "luck" involved obviously with signing KK and Belt last offseason. They were definitely shrewd moves and the Jays got more than what they expected from both of them given their age, injury concerns and prior season. Belt was 35 and coming off an injury plagued season and KK was 33 and had durability concerns. Both players looked like they were past their prime and came with some risk. Jays took a gamble on them both for bounce back seasons and it paid off. Sometimes these types of deals work and sometimes they don't. I've always gave Atkins credit and praise last season for the KK and Belt signings.

 

So I guess all the trade deadline deals AA made in 2021 for Adam Duvall, Jorge Soler and Eddie Rosario were all shrewd trades and AA was a total genius? I remember some posters on here saying AA was just lucky they rode bats like Duvall, Soler and Rosario to a World Series. Obviously "luck" definitely played a role with those moves given they came with some risk. Sometimes trades like that could work and sometimes they don't. So if Atkins was a genius for signing KK and Belt last offseason, we could say AA was a genius for trading for Duvall, Soler and Rosario at the 2021 deadline. But yeah funny each were perceived different on this message board.

[Spanky99]

Wow... back to AA again, lol.

[jaysblue]

Wow... back to AA again, lol.

 

Just pointing out how those moves were both perceived differently on this board.

 

If Atkins trades for players like Soler, Duvall and Rosario at the trade deadline and the Jays win a World Series, they were all shrewd moves and Atkins is a genius. No luck involved whatsoever.

[metafour]

The issue is you have two extreme sides that are either really pro-Atkins front office or anti-Atkins front office on this board.

 

When the Blue Jays win, you start to hear the pro-Atkins side getting all cocky crowning Y-Rod as a possible Cy Young contender, Garcia as a possible Mariano Rivera and IKF as such an amazing signing. All after just 20 games this season. Additionally, the pro-Atkins side does fail to recognize or acknowledge some of the teams glaring weaknesses, such as question marks in the lineup or the low ranking farm system. They are blue pilled into an illusion and believing what they want to believe. You'll never convince them otherwise or change their mind. They won't allow any criticism whatsoever of Atkins and this front office.

 

When the Blue Jays lose, you do have some complainers on here or trolls in the GDT's that are way too negative and extreme in calling Atkins and this front office one of the worst, when in reality, Atkins and this front office have done a very good job over the last several years fielding a competitive team. Some of the criticism is ridiculous and they definitely do it to stir stuff up amongst the pro-Atkins group. Blue Jays can't win every game, but with this group it sounds like its all doom and gloom when the Blue Jays lose a game.

 

Lastly, you have posters who are in the middle ground. They're rational in understanding some of the organizational flaws and acknowledge the strengths/weaknesses. They're not too extreme one way or the other, but are realistic when looking at the bigger picture. Always open for discussion without name-calling or insults. Unfortunately the pro-Atkins and anti-Atkins side have taken control of this message board, making some threads insufferable to read through which is likely turning off the posters who fit in this group and even new posters from joining the board.

 

This is such a lame and obvious attempt to try to walk yourself back into the "look at me, I'm reasonable" camp, even though you are really poor at hiding your actual thoughts. Everyone already knows where you fall, you aren't tricking anyone.

 

To correct your statement above: there is no "Pro Atkins" camp. There are a select group of posters who observe the team as it is and are optimistic by nature, so they try to see the positive outcome for moves that are made, because they want the team to succeed. This camp trolls the opposite camp (mentioned next), because why wouldn't they? There isn't a single person on here who gives a s*** if Atkins or others in the front office are replaced.

 

Then there is the other camp that spends all offseason/season claiming that every decision that is made is the wrong decision. "Oh you signed Justin Turner? IDIOTS - why didn't they sign JD Martinez instead?", "Oh so and so went 0-4, why is he batting 5th - he should be 8th in the lineup!". Then after the next game when that same player goes 2-4 with a HR but is left out of the lineup the following game: "WTF - why are they sitting him??". This camp isn't actually rooting for the team, they are rooting for their own "predictions" to be accurate. So when Turner and IKF come out performing, it's obviously all because of luck. You can't help but chuckle when you see Biggio chumming away with a 131 wRC+, Varsho at 138 wRC+, etc. Inconceivable, right? This camp also likes to over-exaggerate the success of other players/teams when it is convenient for them to prove their attempted point about how everything that this team is doing is "wrong". For example: pretending that Gabriel Moreno was a superstar who led the D-Backs to the World Series with every seeing-eye single he hit last season (lol), or gassing up the Yankees despite the fact that they've had comparable success/failure to the team that apparently does nothing right (the Jays). I'm not rehashing it again, but of course these are the same people who will default to reminiscing about the glory-days of AA in 2015 - despite the fact that all of them wanted AA fired in 2014 LOL. You see, these clowns behaved the same way back then as they do now - but in retrospect they like to pretend that they were staunch supporters of AA, when in reality they only became supperters after he left and it was time to rag on the new front office.

 

I wasn't even here to post during the offseason, so it's quite amusing to see people squealing after they spent ~2 months playing armchair-expert with their takes on Turner, IKF, and the Rodriguez kid.

[jaysblue]

This is such a lame and obvious attempt to try to walk yourself back into the "look at me, I'm reasonable" camp, even though you are really poor at hiding your actual thoughts. Everyone already knows where you fall, you aren't tricking anyone.

 

To correct your statement above: there is no "Pro Atkins" camp. There are a select group of posters who observe the team as it is and are optimistic by nature, so they try to see the positive outcome for moves that are made, because they want the team to succeed. This camp trolls the opposite camp (mentioned next), because why wouldn't they? There isn't a single person on here who gives a s*** if Atkins or others in the front office are replaced.

 

Then there is the other camp that spends all offseason/season claiming that every decision that is made is the wrong decision. "Oh you signed Justin Turner? IDIOTS - why didn't they sign JD Martinez instead?", "Oh so and so went 0-4, why is he batting 5th - he should be 8th in the lineup!". Then after the next game when that same player goes 2-4 with a HR but is left out of the lineup the following game: "WTF - why are they sitting him??". This camp isn't actually rooting for the team, they are rooting for their own "predictions" to be accurate. So when Turner and IKF come out performing, it's obviously all because of luck. You can't help but chuckle when you see Biggio chumming away with a 131 wRC+, Varsho at 138 wRC+, etc. Inconceivable, right? This camp also likes to over-exaggerate the success of other players/teams when it is convenient for them to prove their attempted point about how everything that this team is doing is "wrong". For example: pretending that Gabriel Moreno was a superstar who led the D-Backs to the World Series with every seeing-eye single he hit last season (lol), or gassing up the Yankees despite the fact that they've had comparable success/failure to the team that apparently does nothing right (the Jays). I'm not rehashing it again, but of course these are the same people who will default to reminiscing about the glory-days of AA in 2015 - despite the fact that all of them wanted AA fired in 2014 LOL. You see, these clowns behaved the same way back then as they do now - but in retrospect they like to pretend that they were staunch supporters of AA, when in reality they only became supperters after he left and it was time to rag on the new front office.

 

I wasn't even here to post during the offseason, so it's quite amusing to see people squealing after they spent ~2 months playing armchair-expert with their takes on Turner, IKF, and the Rodriguez kid.

 

I'm more middle ground than anything.

 

Did I claim every move made this offseason by Atkins was the wrong decision? I stated many times I had no issue with the Jays bringing back KK or signing IKF as long as it didn't tie them down financially from making other moves when they need to and also had no issue with the Turner signing as well. I probably did mention I preferred a bat with more power like Hoskins or JDM at DH, but I never said Atkins was an idiot for signing Turner at all. Go find those posts! Again thanks for painting me as an Atkins hater on here, which I'm clearly not.

 

Geez you can't even offer criticism or your own opinions about this team or else some posters lose it!

[Spanky99]

Just pointing out how those moves were both perceived differently on this board.

 

If Atkins trades for players like Soler, Duvall and Rosario at the trade deadline and the Jays win a World Series, they were all shrewd moves and Atkins is a genius. No luck involved whatsoever.

 

Receipts... how was it perceived differently?

[Terminator]

I'm more middle ground than anything.

 

Lol you’ve got to be kidding me

[John_Havok]

This is such a lame and obvious attempt to try to walk yourself back into the "look at me, I'm reasonable" camp, even though you are really poor at hiding your actual thoughts. Everyone already knows where you fall, you aren't tricking anyone.

 

To correct your statement above: there is no "Pro Atkins" camp. There are a select group of posters who observe the team as it is and are optimistic by nature, so they try to see the positive outcome for moves that are made, because they want the team to succeed. This camp trolls the opposite camp (mentioned next), because why wouldn't they? There isn't a single person on here who gives a s*** if Atkins or others in the front office are replaced.

 

Then there is the other camp that spends all offseason/season claiming that every decision that is made is the wrong decision. "Oh you signed Justin Turner? IDIOTS - why didn't they sign JD Martinez instead?", "Oh so and so went 0-4, why is he batting 5th - he should be 8th in the lineup!". Then after the next game when that same player goes 2-4 with a HR but is left out of the lineup the following game: "WTF - why are they sitting him??". This camp isn't actually rooting for the team, they are rooting for their own "predictions" to be accurate. So when Turner and IKF come out performing, it's obviously all because of luck. You can't help but chuckle when you see Biggio chumming away with a 131 wRC+, Varsho at 138 wRC+, etc. Inconceivable, right? This camp also likes to over-exaggerate the success of other players/teams when it is convenient for them to prove their attempted point about how everything that this team is doing is "wrong". For example: pretending that Gabriel Moreno was a superstar who led the D-Backs to the World Series with every seeing-eye single he hit last season (lol), or gassing up the Yankees despite the fact that they've had comparable success/failure to the team that apparently does nothing right (the Jays). I'm not rehashing it again, but of course these are the same people who will default to reminiscing about the glory-days of AA in 2015 - despite the fact that all of them wanted AA fired in 2014 LOL. You see, these clowns behaved the same way back then as they do now - but in retrospect they like to pretend that they were staunch supporters of AA, when in reality they only became supperters after he left and it was time to rag on the new front office.

 

I wasn't even here to post during the offseason, so it's quite amusing to see people squealing after they spent ~2 months playing armchair-expert with their takes on Turner, IKF, and the Rodriguez kid.

 

I'm not sure I've seen a more accurate post on this board....ever.

[metafour]

I'm not sure I've seen a more accurate post on this board....ever.

 

Once you see the pattern its almost comically predictable.

 

One of my favourites has to be how the Lourdes Gurriel fanclub in Canada seems to have tripled as soon as he was traded away. I don't remember anyone giving a s*** about Gurriel while he was a 1-2 fWAR player making idiotic mistakes every other game with the Jays, but as soon as its convenient (Varsho struggling, Gurriel hitting better in the NL) we all of a sudden find a newfound Gurriel fan-club which won't shut up about the mistake we made trading away this "star player" .