GDT - April 12 7:07 ET - Rockies @ Jays

[L54]

Gausman vs Feltner

 

Feltner running a 16% swinging strike rate and a GB% >50%. He looks good early on

 

Expecting a bounce back performance from Kevin. He is the ace.

 

Let’s get it started in here!

[Daniel Labude]

This thread will be a legend. Starting a huge win streak while banned, L54 will never be forgotten

[MikeM3]

Whew we get the road Rockies and first team on their trip. Only concern is Feltner might be good.

[glory]

Bottom 5 of Biggio, Kirk, Varsho, IKF, and KK again. Ugh.

[Jonn]

Getting to play the Rockies is pretty dope

[Omar]

[G-Snarls]

Praying 4 a good Gausman showing in the warm dome

[Spanky99]

The probables have been decent for the Rox, both Feltner and Hudson have started out strong, hopefully Birds take them to Poundtown!!

[mphenhef]

 

I love how they circle the pictured player like anyone following the Jays social media profiles doesn't know what Bo looks like.

[Jays24]

Think I saw a stat somewhere that showed the Blue Jays are 5-0 when Schneider starts and 1-7 when he doesn't.

 

Obviously I'm not going to give that much credit to Schneider, I think most of us would prefer to Varsho/KK split CF duties and be late inning pinch runner/defensive replacement until they can at least bat above .200.

[glory]

Think I saw a stat somewhere that showed the Blue Jays are 5-0 when Schneider starts and 1-7 when he doesn't.

 

Obviously I'm not going to give that much credit to Schneider, I think most of us would prefer to Varsho/KK split CF duties and be late inning pinch runner/defensive replacement until they can at least bat above .200.

 

When DS starts, they are 5-0 with a +16 run differential. I mean, it's a ridiculous sample size and means nothing, but regardless, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that DS should be starting everyday. Unfortunately, the Jays are paying $10.5m to KK, $15m over two years for IKF, and traded Moreno for Varsho, so DS is going to have to ride the pine until the team gets desperate (or injuries happen).

[Brownie19]

When DS starts, they are 5-0 with a +16 run differential. I mean, it's a ridiculous sample size and means nothing, but regardless, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that DS should be starting everyday. Unfortunately, the Jays are paying $10.5m to KK, $15m over two years for IKF, and traded Moreno for Varsho, so DS is going to have to ride the pine until the team gets desperate (or injuries happen).

 

Do you really think this plays a big factor? I don't. I suspect their predictive models suggest this lineup still gives them the best chance to win, over one with DS in it. I'd love to know the truth!

[bluejaysinternNo5]

KK and Varsho will continue starting together until morale improves.

[Jays24]

When DS starts, they are 5-0 with a +16 run differential. I mean, it's a ridiculous sample size and means nothing, but regardless, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that DS should be starting everyday. Unfortunately, the Jays are paying $10.5m to KK, $15m over two years for IKF, and traded Moreno for Varsho, so DS is going to have to ride the pine until the team gets desperate (or injuries happen).

 

I agree with you but I cannot stand that you need to double down/triple down on your previous stupid moves. IKF/Biggio have at least earned playing time but there is 0 reason why KK/Varsho both need to be in the lineup.

 

This team isnt good enough to drop any wins even if it's in April. With the great starting pitching/bullpen we have, the difference in the entire game can be a single at bat and I'd rather see Schneider/Clement in there than either of those guys at the moment.

[Spanky99]

Do people even realize that our offense has been better than the pitching thus far? Weird is that, you don't hear a peep.

[Jays24]

Do you really think this plays a big factor? I don't. I suspect their predictive models suggest this lineup still gives them the best chance to win, over one with DS in it. I'd love to know the truth!

 

I think most people don't agree with whatever predictive models this franchise has been using the past few years. Players are human and not robots... there are going to be times when certain guys are hot/cold and you need to be able to adjust accordingly.

[Jays24]

Do people even realize that our offense has been better than the pitching thus far? Weird is that, you don't hear a peep.

 

Reality is that both have been subpar but with pitching, rotations are already set in stone for the most part so there's not much debate needed there. Offensively you're able to tweak/change things a lot more frequently to help improve. That's why you'll always hear more talk here, not to mention track record let's us assume our pitching will be good and the hitting will always be our weakness. My 2 cents.

[glory]

Do you really think this plays a big factor? I don't. I suspect their predictive models suggest this lineup still gives them the best chance to win, over one with DS in it. I'd love to know the truth!

 

Honestly, if they were structuring the playing time around who makes the most, then I think that would be more reasonable than thinking IKF, KK, and Varsho (the Jays version) give them a better chance to win than DS. My only guess is that the Jays as an org aren't as high on DS as the projections are for whatever reason, which is fine, but if your alternatives are what they are, then you kinda have to give DS more burn. He's not being blocked by Semien and Teoscar. This is the 2024 Jays. There shouldn't be any barrier to playing time.

[HomeRunHomer]

Exactly. DS should be starting. KK and Varsho should rarely ever be in the starting lineup together.

[hanton]

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[hanton]

6 hits and 6 runs scored

 

That's his line

[Brownie19]

I think most people don't agree with whatever predictive models this franchise has been using the past few years. Players are human and not robots... there are going to be times when certain guys are hot/cold and you need to be able to adjust accordingly.

 

If Managers were good with going with their gut and eyes - then nobody would have developed predictive models. The reality is Managers are often terrible at this and it can be very difficult to pull this off correctly.

 

Here's an example. DS is off to a hot start and the Jays consider whether he should become a starter. The predictive model still suggests the Varsho and KK give them the best chance to win, but they decide to override the model and start DS regardless of the matchup. DS goes 0-12 in 3 straight starts, but that's a really small sample size, so do you continue to override the model and start DS? or do you go back to Varsho/KK? Hot and cold streaks come and go without any indication or warning. Do you keep going with your gut over the non-bias, statistical data?

 

I fully expect the Jays predictive model suggests that starting DS in certainly matchups will yield the best results. And one could argue the model is working beautifully, as they are getting good production out of DS to date! You can suggest "most fans" don't agree with their predictive models - but what on earth is that based on? You don't even know what the models are based on or how accurate they've been. You're basing this on your eye test and the results? I mean my eye test showed me people were arguing Clement should start over IKF in the 2nd game vs. Seattle....yet IKF went 3-4. In fact, if left to the fans, Clement would have be starting over IKF almost every single day...yet here we are with IKF rocking a 131 wRC+ and Clement at 88. Fans were wrong all the time. Gut feelings are wrong all the time - hence why we use so much advanced statistics now.

[glory]

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Since the trade, Varsho has an 81 wRC+ and 2.0 WAR in 623 PA (167 G). Something is not right with him. It looks like he has options remaining so if it's possible to send him down then it's getting to the point where they should consider it. Fixing his bat is pretty important for the organization given he's controllable through 2026.

[Stangstag]

Getting to play the Rockies is pretty dope

 

Won’t feel dope when we’re still struggling to score runs and the games are all very close

[Stangstag]

Since the trade, Varsho has an 81 wRC+ and 2.0 WAR in 623 PA (167 G). Something is not right with him. It looks like he has options remaining so if it's possible to send him down then it's getting to the point where they should consider it. Fixing his bat is pretty important for the organization given he's controllable through 2026.

 

Sadness. All we need from him is to be a league average bat. The guy he was in AZ.

 

Why does everything have to go wrong for us on the offensive side.

[Brownie19]

Sadness. All we need from him is to be a league average bat. The guy he was in AZ.

 

Why does everything have to go wrong for us on the offensive side.

 

Vladdy curse!

[Spanky99]

f*** this whine day thread...

 

LETS GO BLUE JAYS *CLAP, CLAP* *CLAP, CLAP, CLAP*

 

LETS GO BLUE JAYS *CLAP, CLAP* *CLAP, CLAP, CLAP*

 

LETS GO BLUE JAYS *CLAP, CLAP* *CLAP, CLAP, CLAP*

 

[NHLPRO]

f*** that POS Kirk put Daulton Varsho at Catcher to keep Kirk and Severn out of the lineup both are f***ing junk.

[Spanky99]

Dude, Kirk's defense has been top 5 in the game? Jano's back Monday at the latest, I'd imagine. C is the furthest from our issue atm.

[PitaBaby]

One day the Jays will have a real cleanup hitter again. Is Smoak still playing in Japan?