Ohtani Thread - Special Sheriff's Edition (Update: confirmed going to the Dodgers)

[jaysblue]

I also don't really buy the sentiment that since Toronto is in Canada and a hockey town that Ohtani would be able to live more freely compared to an American market. In fact I think it would be the opposite. LA has so many more famous people than Ohtani while if he goes anywhere in Toronto he's getting recognized. When Kawhi went down to Niagra Falls he basically got mobbed by people wanting to take pictures. Not to mention you'd have the Canadian media, the US media and the Japenese media all following him here.

 

Biggest advantage the Blue Jays have are the new facilitates in Toronto and Dunedin so I would think that would make up a large part of their sales pitch.

 

Yeah people who think he could live more freely in Toronto vs. LA, give me a break.

[Marew]

That will not happen lol. Lunatic

 

I’m not the lunatic, whoever is the one beaning the poor kid is. I’m just saying he didn’t have to drag it out and some people may be upset. If he’s on our team and the dodgers plunk him I’ll obviously be outraged.

[burlingtonbandit]

Nobody from the front office has outright said anything bad about Manoah. “Leaks” aren’t the same as someone directly saying something to the media.

 

There’s a difference

 

Lol I'd say the Jays "leaks" are worse if anything. There were some details about the pitch to Ohtani where as Dave Roberts literally stated the obvious common sense.

 

Not that I think either makes any difference in Ohtani making a decision about where he wants to go. And if it did I think would be a big problem in itself lol.

[jaysblue]

Had some Wagyu beef tonight! Was pretty darn delicious!

[jaysblue]

Biggest advantage the Blue Jays have are the new facilitates in Toronto and Dunedin so I would think that would make up a large part of their sales pitch.

 

They definitely did wonders on Vladdy, Kirk and Manoah!

[Jays24]

Since we're all waiting for real news, i wonder what's the breaking point for everyone in the Ohtani talk. Like at which point do you think it'll be a horrible deal for the Jays and getting a 30 year old Ohtani won't make you happy?

 

I'm seeing crazy numbers like 12/600. If I see that then I don't know how happy I'd be knowing the Jays would be screwed for almost half of that deal.

[THANOS]

They definitely did wonders on Vladdy, Kirk and Manoah!

 

You can lead a cow to the barn, but you can't make it bench 300lbs.

[max silver]

You mean the same FO that just this past season would leak stuff about Manoah? And to the point now where some people think the relationship is beyond repair..

 

The front office was actually really quiet about the Manoah situation. There wasn't a single peep about Alek refusing to report to AAA until Ben Wagner brought it up in interview.

[BTS]

Since we're all waiting for real news, i wonder what's the breaking point for everyone in the Ohtani talk. Like at which point do you think it'll be a horrible deal for the Jays and getting a 30 year old Ohtani won't make you happy?

 

I'm hearing crazy numbers like 12/600. If I see that then I don't know how happy I'd be knowing the Jays would be screwed for almost half of that deal.

 

I'd be excited as f*** to have him, regardless of the terms. He's the most exciting and maybe the best player in almost 100 years, and him playing for the Jays would be amazing. I don't care whether it's 45M or 50M.

[infinitebook]

Since we're all waiting for real news, i wonder what's the breaking point for everyone in the Ohtani talk. Like at which point do you think it'll be a horrible deal for the Jays and getting a 30 year old Ohtani won't make you happy?

 

I'm seeing crazy numbers like 12/600. If I see that then I don't know how happy I'd be knowing the Jays would be screwed for almost half of that deal.

 

I cannot possibly be bothered by Ohtani being overpaid in 8 years, I could be dead by then.

[Terminator]

He doesn't need to live more freely. He's not out partying or eating out all the time. The guy lives and breaths baseball.

 

What he needs is convenience and on that front Toronto >>>>> LA.

 

The Jays could just give Ohtani his own penthouse hotel room at the Marriot in Rogers Centre. He wouldn't even have to leave. Just sleep, eat, practice and play baseball. And if the penthouse isn't up to snuff right now I'm sure it could be by April. Or find one within a block from the stadium.

 

In LA he'll be spending half his free time fighting traffic to get to the game. West Coast teams also have to travel A LOT more during the season than East coast teams. So for the few flights to Japan that he takes each year, LA more than makes up for it by having to travel so much during the year.

 

Check out this map. Toronto is perfectly centered in the middle of a 16 team cluster. LA is in the middle of a 6 team cluster.

 

[jaysblue]

Since we're all waiting for real news, i wonder what's the breaking point for everyone in the Ohtani talk. Like at which point do you think it'll be a horrible deal for the Jays and getting a 30 year old Ohtani won't make you happy?

 

I'm hearing crazy numbers like 12/600. If I see that then I don't know how happy I'd be knowing the Jays would be screwed for almost half of that deal.

 

I definitely would have mixed reactions. Would be super excited to see the Jays landing one of the biggest FA's in the history of all sports. At the same time, the type of figures and years thrown around for a player who is going to be 30 + and who might only be strictly regulated to a DH role and not be an elite pitcher anymore is a bit concerning long term.

 

Pretty much, you have to hope Ohtani hits like Barry Bonds for the next decade to justify the contract if he is strictly a DH. Not sure how many years you can get from him pitching at an elite level, but I doubt he makes over 25 starts again in a single season. I said this before, but would save him as a pitcher only in the second half and for the Postseason. No need for him to make starts in April. Jays have the luxury and depth to do that.

 

At the end of the day, not my money and as a fan would love to see Ohtani here. Obviously understand the risks involved in a long term deal like this. Gotta hope the Jays take advantage in the early years of his contract in terms of going on a serious run for a World Series. Flags fly forever and if Ohtani helped bring a World Series to Toronto in the next 2-3 seasons, doubt we care what happens from 2030 on with the Jays.

[Jays24]

I'd be excited as f*** to have him, regardless of the terms. He's the most exciting and maybe the best player in almost 100 years, and him playing for the Jays would be amazing. I don't care whether it's 45M or 50M.

 

I cannot possibly be bothered by Ohtani being overpaid in 8 years, I could be dead by then.

 

So if the Jays get him for say 13/650, you'd be ecstatic to have him? That contract would take him to age 43 lol.

[Terminator]

I'd be excited as f*** to have him, regardless of the terms. He's the most exciting and maybe the best player in almost 100 years, and him playing for the Jays would be amazing. I don't care whether it's 45M or 50M.

 

I cannot possibly be bothered by Ohtani being overpaid in 8 years, I could be dead by then.

 

Yeah it doesn't matter. Even if he's 39 years old and he's pumping out 1 WAR a year for 50 mil who cares.

 

I'll cheer like hell for him and when he goes into the HoF with a Jays cap on it will be worth it. Even if his contact somehow becomes an albatross for the final 5 years of his deal.

[burlingtonbandit]

Since we're all waiting for real news, i wonder what's the breaking point for everyone in the Ohtani talk. Like at which point do you think it'll be a horrible deal for the Jays and getting a 30 year old Ohtani won't make you happy?

 

I'm seeing crazy numbers like 12/600. If I see that then I don't know how happy I'd be knowing the Jays would be screwed for almost half of that deal.

 

I personally wouldn't care just because there would be so much excitement/buzz. Even a 12/500M deal is very risky and a high chance that he doesn't perform to that contract.

 

If you look at WAR he's been worth just over 31 WAR in 6 years for his 24-29 age seasons. Is he going to get 30 WAR over the next 6 years when he's older? Coming off 2 TJS there's a ton of risk on the pitching side of it. Also have to wonder how his legs will up hold down the road after pitching and hitting for so many years.

 

He could be a Stanton/Pujols for his last 3-5 years but the next 5 years would be so exciting it' be worth it. Just the though of him wearing a Blue Jays cap into the HOF gets me giddy.

[jaysblue]

I'd be excited as f*** to have him, regardless of the terms. He's the most exciting and maybe the best player in almost 100 years, and him playing for the Jays would be amazing. I don't care whether it's 45M or 50M.

 

Yeah obviously myself as well, but we both know a huge contract like that comes with risk. If the Jays don't win a World Series with him here or come close, likely looking back at that contract down the road as an albatross.

[jaysblue]

Yeah it doesn't matter. Even if he's 39 years old and he's pumping out 1 WAR a year for 50 mil who cares.

 

I'll cheer like hell for him and when he goes into the HoF with a Jays cap on it will be worth it. Even if his contact somehow becomes an albatross for the final 5 years of his deal.

 

If the Jays win a World Series during the time Ohtani is here, couldn't care if he pumped out a negative WAR season at the age of 39.

[WryNGinger]

I want him to join the Jays no matter what it costs just to see him enter Cooperstown wearing a Jays hat.

[jaysblue]

I want him to join the Jays no matter what it costs just to see him enter Cooperstown wearing a Jays hat.

 

I would rather see him join the Jays and help the team win a World Series or two.

[burlingtonbandit]

He doesn't need to live more freely. He's not out partying or eating out all the time. The guy lives and breaths baseball.

 

What he needs is convenience and on that front Toronto >>>>> LA.

 

The Jays could just give Ohtani his own penthouse hotel room at the Marriot in Rogers Centre. He wouldn't even have to leave. Just sleep, eat, practice and play baseball. And if the penthouse isn't up to snuff right now I'm sure it could be by April. Or find one within a block from the stadium.

 

In LA he'll be spending half his free time fighting traffic to get to the game. West Coast teams also have to travel A LOT more during the season than East coast teams. So for the few flights to Japan that he takes each year, LA more than makes up for it by having to travel so much during the year.

 

Check out this map. Toronto is perfectly centered in the middle of a 16 team cluster. LA is in the middle of a 6 team cluster.

 

 

I live right across from the Dome and after games the Cavan Biggio's of the world get hounded by autographs, good luck with Ohtani being able to walk across to a different condo building. Not to mention I don't believe a guy who by all accounts is super private would want to live in building with a ton of other residents. Youd have other residents wanting to take pictures with you in the elevator and crap.

 

At the same time Toronto has less travel you also have customs to deal with which is a hassle and adds to the "travel time". Its not like these guys are walking though Pearson but even the special customs office adds time. LA and Toronto are probably the 2 worst traffic cities in NA so not sure either makes much difference lol. He probably has a driver in either case in a comfortable luxury car so not like he is sitting there yelling at idiots who cut him off on the Gardiner lol.

 

If you're asking me personally I'd much rather live in LA than Toronto. But I'm not sure it matters that much, during the season these guys spend almost their entire day at the ballpark. They have what 10 off days a year in their home city?

[Marew]

He is like Bitcoin, he will hold value. He might be worth 50-55m now, in a couple years maybe he’s worth 35m and we take a 150m loss (Roger’s) and send him packing.

 

Don’t think there’s any reason to think he must stay here if our window closes and he’s still doing well

[PhillyBlueJay]

Jays just need to sign the Japense pitcher for 200 million and that will send a big message to Otani!!! Then trade away Berios to offset acquisition!

[jaysblue]

He doesn't need to live more freely. He's not out partying or eating out all the time. The guy lives and breaths baseball.

 

What he needs is convenience and on that front Toronto >>>>> LA.

 

The Jays could just give Ohtani his own penthouse hotel room at the Marriot in Rogers Centre. He wouldn't even have to leave. Just sleep, eat, practice and play baseball. And if the penthouse isn't up to snuff right now I'm sure it could be by April. Or find one within a block from the stadium.

 

In LA he'll be spending half his free time fighting traffic to get to the game. West Coast teams also have to travel A LOT more during the season than East coast teams. So for the few flights to Japan that he takes each year, LA more than makes up for it by having to travel so much during the year.

 

Check out this map. Toronto is perfectly centered in the middle of a 16 team cluster. LA is in the middle of a 6 team cluster.

 

 

Downtown Toronto isn't what it was. It's become an ugly concrete jungle filled with high rise condos and tent cities. Plus awful weather for a good 6+ months of the year. Not sure living in a penthouse near the Rogers Centre is that appealing. Unless he buys a property in the Bridal Path or Forest Hill.

 

As well, crossing the border every time the team comes back from a road trip. I know it's not like regular people crossing Canadian or US Customs at the airport, but still, it's time and a process. Whereas if he plays in the US, doesn't have to worry about that.

 

In LA, he could buy himself an oceanfront house in Malibu or somewhere in Beverly Hills and have his privacy. He has nice weather all year round. As well, if he wanted to beat the LA traffic, sure he could easily charter a private Heli to Dodgers Stadium everyday lol.

[Marew]

Ohtani probably wouldn’t get qualified for a mortgage here but if he signs this contract he could probably live anywhere. Even at Roger’s centre like alomar did

[PhillyBlueJay]

Only way Ohtani signs with Jays is for 650 million for 10 years plus 10 year perk for entire penthouse floor to house 20+ people in best downtown building for all his immediate family to visit and stay for free in Toronto. In addition 5% revenue sharing for TV endorsement deal for all broadcasts in Japan!

 

Voila… he will sign in TO!

[burlingtonbandit]

Downtown Toronto isn't what it was. It's become an ugly concrete jungle filled with high rise condos and tent cities. Plus awful weather for a good 6+ months of the year. Not sure living in a penthouse near the Rogers Centre is that appealing. Unless he buys a property in the Bridal Path or Forest Hill.

 

As well, crossing the border every time the team comes back from a road trip. I know it's not like regular people crossing Canadian or US Customs at the airport, but still, it's time and a process. Whereas if he plays in the US, doesn't have to worry about that.

 

In LA, he could buy himself an oceanfront house in Malibu or somewhere in Beverly Hills and have his privacy. He has nice weather all year round. As well, if he wanted to beat the LA traffic, sure he could easily charter a private Heli to Dodgers Stadium everyday lol.

 

Exactly... basically what I said as well. Although I don't think any players live here in the offseason (tax purposes much better off in Florida, Arizona etc) so the s***** weather in the winter probably doesn't make a difference.

[Terminator]

No clue why winter weather will play a factor as he won't even be here and he'll have a dome for whenever the weather does get bad. Nor do I think helicoptering in from Malibu is even feasible, let alone convenient. I just can't with you guys tonight, sorry.

[The Cats Ass]

No clue why winter weather will play a factor as he won't even be here and he'll have a dome for whenever the weather does get bad. Nor do I think helicoptering in from Malibu is even feasible, let alone convenient. I just can't with you guys tonight, sorry.

 

They’re also concerned about customs. Which probably takes a whole 2 minutes for the players.

[burlingtonbandit]

No clue why winter weather will play a factor as he won't even be here and he'll have a dome for whenever the weather does get bad. Nor do I think helicoptering in from Malibu is even feasible, let alone convenient. I just can't with you guys tonight, sorry.

 

Kobe used to take a Helicopter to his games all the time in LA.. Although that plan did end up crashing and burning in the end...

[Marew]

I hate that we keep getting down to just the dodgers and jays as the last 2 choices but then someone keeps adding giants or cubs back in. Then last night I found out angels were still an option? Atlanta too.

 

Anyway glad it’s finally just down to dodgers and us now.