General mlb off season 23-24

[Ehjays]

Well the offseason has begun here are the key dates to keep in mind for the winter ahead…

 

NOVEMBER 2: Free agency begins for eligible players. This means they are removed from the roster of the club they finished 2023 with. As mentioned up top, they are able to re-sign with that club but can’t sign with a new team for five days. Trades of players on the 40-man roster are now permitted again for the first time since the trade deadline.

 

NOVEMBER 5: Gold Glove winners announced.

 

NOVEMBER 6: After the five-day waiting period, free agents will be eligible to sign with any club. This is also the deadline for decisions on club options, player options, opt-outs and mutual options. It is also the deadline for clubs to decide whether or not to issue qualifying offers to eligible players, with that deadline at 4:00 pm Central specifically.

 

NOVEMBER 7-9: General managers meeting in Scottsdale, Arizona.

 

NOVEMBER 13-16: BBWAA Awards week. The Rookie of the Year winners will be announced on the first date of this stretch, followed by Manager of the Year winners, Cy Young Award winners and Most Valuable Player winners. Under the current collective bargaining agreement, the results of the voting can potentially impact the service time of a young player or award draft picks to certain teams.

 

NOVEMBER 14: Players who received a qualifying offer have until this date at 3:00 pm Central to assess the market before deciding whether or not to accept it. The QO changes annually since it is an average of the top 125 contracts in the league. This year’s QO is expected to land around $20.5MM. A player is only eligible to receive a QO if they spent the entire 2023 season with just one club and have not received one before. Teams that sign a player who rejected a qualifying offer will be subject to draft pick forfeiture and perhaps a loss of international bonus pool money, while the player’s previous club receives draft pick compensation.

 

NOVEMBER 14: Rule 5 protection deadline. Teams have until this date to add players to their 40-man roster in order to protect them from being selected in the Rule 5 draft.

 

NOVEMBER 14-16: Owners meetings in Arlington, Texas. The owners are set to vote on the Athletics’ planned move from Oakland to Las Vegas at this year’s meetings.

 

NOVEMBER 17: The non-tender deadline. By this date, teams have to decide whether or not to tender a contract to arbitration-eligible players. They don’t have to agree to a salary, merely whether to keep the player on the roster or not. Players that are non-tendered become free agents without being exposed to waivers.

 

DECEMBER 3-6: Winter Meetings in Nashville, Tennessee. This is often a key period in the offseason, with many marquee free agent signings and notable trades happening in or around the meetings.

 

DECEMBER 5: Amateur draft lottery. To discourage tanking, the new CBA introduced a lottery system to determine the order of the amateur draft. Last year, the first lottery resulted in the Pirates securing the first overall pick, which they later used on right-hander Paul Skenes in July.

 

DECEMBER 6: The Rule 5 draft. Teams with open 40-man roster spots are able to select eligible players from other clubs. A selected player cannot be optioned to the minors by the new club and needs to stay on the roster all year long or else be offered back to the original club.

 

DECEMBER 15: International signing period closes.

 

JANUARY 12: Deadline for teams and arbitration-eligible players to submit salary figures for 2024. Arbitration hearings will begin to take place at the end of January, though teams and players can agree to a salary at any point before a hearing takes place. However, many teams adopt the “file and trial” tactic, meaning that they’ll automatically opt to go to a hearing with any player who doesn’t agree to a salary by this date, with no further discussion about an arbitration-avoiding deal.

 

JANUARY 15: New international signing period opens. Most of the top international prospects will sign right away, often having made handshake deals years prior.

 

FEBRUARY 13: Voluntary Spring Training reporting date for pitchers, catchers and injured players.

 

FEBRUARY 18: Voluntary Spring Training reporting date for other players.

 

MARCH 20-21: Dodgers and Padres begin regular season with two games in Seoul, South Korea.

 

MARCH 28: Opening Day for all other teams. Active rosters reduced to 26 players.

[Ehjays]

Ross's first decision is QO, I think the only one that gets it will be Chapman. Whitt I dont think will be back.

[Brownie19]

someone clean up that title please...

[L54]

QO to Chappy

 

See how the Chad Green option shakes out

[Terminator]

QO to Chappy

 

See how the Chad Green option shakes out

 

The Chad Green options are interesting. The At The Letters guys thought he would take the player option but I don't see it.

 

I can see the case for both team options, particularly the 2 year on, but I can also see letting him walk.

 

I wonder if there is a way we could sweeten the player option and get him to take it. Maybe tack on another player option year on top of it with a small buyout.

[max silver]

The Chad Green options are interesting. The At The Letters guys thought he would take the player option but I don't see it.

 

I can see the case for both team options, particularly the 2 year on, but I can also see letting him walk.

 

I wonder if there is a way we could sweeten the player option and get him to take it. Maybe tack on another player option year on top of it with a small buyout.

 

I thought Green looked like an awful lot like the Chad Green of old in the last few weeks of the regular season. Given where reliever prices have headed I see no scenario where Green would accept the 1 year option. The two year deal may be a little steep but if Green is back to being one of MLB's top relievers moving forward it's actually pretty reasonable all things considered.

[Terminator]

I thought Green looked like an awful lot like the Chad Green of old in the last few weeks of the regular season. Given where reliever prices have headed I see no scenario where Green would accept the 1 year option. The two year deal may be a little steep but if Green is back to being one of MLB's top relievers moving forward it's actually pretty reasonable all things considered.

 

Completely agree on all counts. Last offseason the Padres gave some guy 5 years and 45 mil or something and I can't even remember his name. Chad Green was one of the top relievers in baseball for the past 4-5 years prior to the injury.

 

So 2 years 21 mil for Chad Green might be a steal. Could allow us the option to then go ahead and trade someone too. Maybe a guy like Romano fetches us something pretty decent?

[jaysblue]

Blue Jays should sign reliever Will Smith. He became the 1st player in MLB history to win 3 straight World Series rings with 3 different teams. Let's make it a 4th in 2024 haha.

[Ehjays]

[Laika]

Green looked like s***, I don't know what you guys are smoking.

 

jk

[glory]

Yeah I think it makes sense for Green to either see if the Jays pick up one of their options or test free agency. I don't think he's taking the 1/6.25m option, but who knows what his mindset is.

 

Other than that, qualify Chapman, and let the other FA's go.

[Ehjays]

[hanton]

Merrifield was declining anyway

[connorp]

Merrifield was declining anyway

 

He decided to decline when the Jays let him know they weren’t picking up the option

[hanton]

He decided to decline when the Jays let him know they weren’t picking up the option

 

well if they don't pick it up it doesn't matter what he does I'm just saying he wasn't coming back, for his part it's a signal he's confident he can get a multi year deal in a weak FA class

[connorp]

well if they don't pick it up it doesn't matter what he does I'm just saying he wasn't coming back, for his part it's a signal he's confident he can get a multi year deal in a weak FA class

 

I’m saying it’s a signal that you can’t fire me because I quit. Don’t think he would turn down QO. How much will he get?

He’s 35 and hasn’t been a league average hitter for years

[hanton]

I’m saying it’s a signal that you can’t fire me because I quit. Don’t think he would turn down QO. How much will he get?

He’s 35 and hasn’t been a league average hitter for years

 

He just needs to get more than the QO which he certainly will on a 2/3 year deal. He's the best 2b on the market so he's in a good spot

[L54]

The Chad Green options are interesting. The At The Letters guys thought he would take the player option but I don't see it.

 

I can see the case for both team options, particularly the 2 year on, but I can also see letting him walk.

 

I wonder if there is a way we could sweeten the player option and get him to take it. Maybe tack on another player option year on top of it with a small buyout.

 

I think they do the 2/21 deal. No way he takes the player option they’re high

 

He did everything you would’ve hoped for when he signed. He got drilled in the head in Buffalo otherwise he would’ve been back sooner. He could easily be the teams best RP next year

 

But that’s like 25% of the offseason budget. It will be interesting

[Spanky99]

That extension with Muncy is team friendly, right? 2/24 and a club option of 10M in '26.

[hanton]

That extension with Muncy is team friendly, right? 2/24 and a club option of 10M in '26.

 

Yes, he gave them a home town discount, he loves LA.

[Ehjays]

[Brownie19]

He just needs to get more than the QO which he certainly will on a 2/3 year deal. He's the best 2b on the market so he's in a good spot

 

I think you're way off. Whit 100% would love to have a 1 year $18M deal. Nobody is going to give him anywhere near that in AAV. Will he get a 2 year $20M deal? Maybe, but obviously he'd rather take $18M this year and bet that next offseason he can get more than $2M.

[Laika]

Man the FA class is gross.

 

I checked the list and yes, Whit Merrifield coming off 1.5 fWAR is actually the best 2B on the market. Unless you love Donovan Solano or think Amed Rosario will bounce back.

 

By 2023 WAR the best shortstop on the market is Elvis Andrus.

 

And then of course the top 3B are Chapman and Candelario. 3B is stacked compared to the MIF!

 

Belt and Carlos Santana are probably the top 1B.

 

The top OF are all fringe-average guys like KK, Soler, Pham, Duvall, Gurriel.

 

The only truly marquee free agents are Ohtani and a few SP. And I guess some closers.

 

Like, some of these top FA bats are just guys who will sign in January on one year deals...

[BTS]

Even the RP market is thin, and the Braves have already pulled two of the best arms from it this week. Actual back end arms are like Hicks and Stephenson. Is Robertson still good?

[Spanky99]

Man the FA class is gross.

 

I checked the list and yes, Whit Merrifield coming off 1.5 fWAR is actually the best 2B on the market. Unless you love Donovan Solano or think Amed Rosario will bounce back.

 

By 2023 WAR the best shortstop on the market is Elvis Andrus.

 

And then of course the top 3B are Chapman and Candelario. 3B is stacked compared to the MIF!

 

Belt and Carlos Santana are probably the top 1B.

 

The top OF are all fringe-average guys like KK, Soler, Pham, Duvall, Gurriel.

 

The only truly marquee free agents are Ohtani and a few SP. And I guess some closers.

 

Like, some of these top FA bats are just guys who will sign in January on one year deals...

 

We've talked about how thin it is all season dude.

[Brownie19]

All the more reason to keep Chad Green.

[Ehjays]

[Ehjays]

[Spanky99]

 

So he'll be a Dodger again/still, just prorated at 20M, ho hum.

[Spanky99]

All the more reason to keep Chad Green.

 

It's likely another reason why the deal is structured this way, I think the Jays pick it up.