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GDT: O's @ Jays: Game 4/4 (3:07 ET)

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Brownie19 New Hampshire Fisher Cats

Brownie19

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I really just find it hard to chalk things up to “bad luck”. Its getting frustrating saying the same s*** year after year. At some point you have to think maybe just MAYBE it isn’t just bad luck. Im choosing to turn my anger on the coaches.

 

That's fine - but there's a very good chance you're just wrong.

 

Why do you say it's year after year? The team has been great with RISP the past 2 years and has been a top 3 offense both seasons. This year we are 7th in baseball in wRC+. We knew the team made changes to improve the defense and pitching and we knew that was very likely to come at the expense of some offense. Most people agreed that gave us a better shot to win the playoffs.

 

This notion that Guillermo introduced some 'new' philosophy this year that all players must adhere to is simply nonsense. That's not how it works.

Olerud363 FCL Blue Jays

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I really just find it hard to chalk things up to “bad luck”. Its getting frustrating saying the same s*** year after year. At some point you have to think maybe just MAYBE it isn’t just bad luck. Im choosing to turn my anger on the coaches.

 

After Jays started having success in 2020 other teams advanced scouts, scouted them to hell, the pitchers adjusted and Jays have not adjusted back, or maybe can't adjust back...

 

Especially with runners in scoring position they are pitched differently then 2020 and 2021 and can't adjust.

 

Forget mechanics, maturity, mental state, wrist injury, spray angle and launch angle the hard truth is this...

 

Vladimir Guerrero Jr. does not have elite pitch recognition thus will never be an elite player on a consistent basis.

 

This should be obvious watching him compared to Soto in the San Diego series. If not obvious then it should be obvious watching a couple of at bats this series.

 

Two times he has gotten totally fooled by breaking stuff a foot outside and almost in the dirt. Most players, even good players get fooled like this once and a while. But guys with elite pitch recognition, Soto, Bonds, Judge don't get fooled like this I don't think. Even Judge who strikes out a lot is mostly (like Belt actually) striking out by taking strikes he doesn't like and humongous rips at good pitches. Elite hitters don't swing at some of the crap Vlad does. (good hitters/good players do and Vlad is (I guess) a 'good' hitter, for a hitter, but not a good hitter for a first basemen).

Stangstag Toronto Blue Jays

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That's fine - but there's a very good chance you're just wrong.

 

Why do you say it's year after year? The team has been great with RISP the past 2 years and has been a top 3 offense both seasons. This year we are 7th in baseball in wRC+. We knew the team made changes to improve the defense and pitching and we knew that was very likely to come at the expense of some offense. Most people agreed that gave us a better shot to win the playoffs.

 

This notion that Guillermo introduced some 'new' philosophy this year that all players must adhere to is simply nonsense. That's not how it works.

 

Its not every year you have rule changes that could severely impact the way the game is played…. Just based on things I heard Atkins say in the offseason I think they consciously made a change trying to get ahead of the curve.

 

Anyways I won’t argue it anymore because neither of us know for sure and its stupid.

Stangstag Toronto Blue Jays

Stangstag

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After Jays started having success in 2020 other teams advanced scouts, scouted them to hell, the pitchers adjusted and Jays have not adjusted back, or maybe can't adjust back...

 

Especially with runners in scoring position they are pitched differently then 2020 and 2021 and can't adjust.

 

Forget mechanics, maturity, mental state, wrist injury, spray angle and launch angle the hard truth is this...

 

Vladimir Guerrero Jr. does not have elite pitch recognition thus will never be an elite player on a consistent basis.

 

This should be obvious watching him compared to Soto in the San Diego series. If not obvious then it should be obvious watching a couple of at bats this series.

 

Two times he has gotten totally fooled by breaking stuff a foot outside and almost in the dirt. Most players, even good players get fooled like this once and a while. But guys with elite pitch recognition, Soto, Bonds, Judge don't get fooled like this I don't think. Even Judge who strikes out a lot is mostly (like Belt actually) striking out by taking strikes he doesn't like and humongous rips at good pitches. Elite hitters don't swing at some of the crap Vlad does. (good hitters/good players do and Vlad is (I guess) a 'good' hitter, for a hitter, but not a good hitter for a first basemen).

 

So Vlad needs glasses then?

glory Vancouver Canadians

glory

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Might be time to try something different. Call up Schneider, platoon Barger and DeJong at short until Bo gets back, something. Even if it fails it would be less excruciating than watching the stuff we are seeing now.
JFD FCL Blue Jays

JFD

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So Vlad needs a lobotomy then?

 

Maybe start with a hypnotist and go from there

 

"You are an elite hitter"

 

"You are always playing in Buffalo"

 

"Healthy food tastes good"

 

"Lifting weights feels good"

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Jonn

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Orioles BABIP Kings today. Blue Jays offense is no show per usual. I knew once people laughed at Orioles only trading for Jack Flaherty that he would shut us out.
Brownie19 New Hampshire Fisher Cats

Brownie19

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Its not every year you have rule changes that could severely impact the way the game is played…. Just based on things I heard Atkins say in the offseason I think they consciously made a change trying to get ahead of the curve.

 

Anyways I won’t argue it anymore because neither of us know for sure and its stupid.

 

I enjoy the discussion actually. I'm curious what changes they would make based on the new rules? Wouldn't they want to pull the ball more now that there are restrictions to the shift? Surely the larger bases have no impact to the hitting strategy?

gruber92 Buffalo Bisons

gruber92

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The fact that Ross isn't interested in possibly instilling something different in the line up with Schneider, Horowitz, Lukes, ect is an issue in itself. f***ing mind boggling ********.
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glory

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Man, the hitting is bad enough, but also having to deal with Schneider unnecessarily taking pitchers out so he can use as many relievers as possible is too much for me. Hopefully when I look at the final score in a few hours I'll be pleasantly surprised.
Olerud363 FCL Blue Jays

Olerud363

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it's about his brain not putting it together

 

Yeah, you have to decide to swing before the pitch breaks so need to determine what it is early as possible.

 

Guys like Soto recognize pitches a fraction of a second earlier than Vlad, thus take more pitches.

 

I honestly don't want to be a 'coach' or anything, it just doesn't look like he recognizes pitches at an elite level.

 

That could explain pull rate to. Part of 'pull dat ball' is recognizing the pitch early, getting started early.

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