GDT: 2/3 Padres @ Blue Jays (7:07 et)

[Daniel Labude]

In fact, Guerrero is a horrible baseball player. You can't deny that.

 

If you are accurate, your trolling would improve. Stupid, outlandish, inaccurate s*** like that does nothing. Accuracy or semi accuracy sells the troll. Your viewers need to believe that you believe what you are posting lol...if not they just pass over your post. Also, diversifying the troll target on the board or the subject of the troll post helps as well

[Spanky99]

Oof..... *vomits*

[goldbug103]

In fact, Guerrero is a horrible baseball player. You can't deny that.

 

But Fatty won the HR derby.

[Captain_Obvious]

If you are accurate, your trolling would improve. Stupid, outlandish, inaccurate s*** like that does nothing. Accuracy or semi accuracy sells the troll. Your viewers need to believe that you believe what you are posting lol...if not they just pass over your post. Also, diversifying the troll target on the board or the subject of the troll post helps as well

 

I see Vlad's fans are as dumb as he is. Vlady is a replacement level player this year. If the Blue Jays were not run by a bunch of pussies, he would be in AAA.

[Jonn]

This team just can’t hit and it sucks

[EdwinsParrot]

crappy first two games

[Terminator]

I see Vlad's fans are as dumb as he is. Vlady is a replacement level player this year. If the Blue Jays were not run by a bunch of pussies, he would be in AAA.

 

lol ok this is just pathetic

[Brownie19]

Great start from our #3 starter

[JFD]

A fat ass Guerrero must hit the gym.

 

Agreed, His flabby female arms aren't helping.

[tossingthiscoin]

If you are accurate, your trolling would improve. Stupid, outlandish, inaccurate s*** like that does nothing. Accuracy or semi accuracy sells the troll. Your viewers need to believe that you believe what you are posting lol...if not they just pass over your post. Also, diversifying the troll target on the board or the subject of the troll post helps as well

 

I know you like to defend Guerrero every time, so I can see why you are delusional here.

[Olerud363]

If you are accurate, your trolling would improve. Stupid, outlandish, inaccurate s*** like that does nothing. Accuracy or semi accuracy sells the troll. Your viewers need to believe that you believe what you are posting lol...if not they just pass over your post. Also, diversifying the troll target on the board or the subject of the troll post helps as well

 

 

They aren't totally wrong, the best statistical rating systems show Vladdy as being replacement level this year.

 

And it's not all because 'fangraphs' isn't measuring his defense right. His on base and slugging are about the same as Tristan Cassas

 

wRC+ paints a better picture, but he is still only 13th among qualified 1b men, 56th in baseball.

 

It's the kind of performance that is literally easy to replace at first.

 

Acting like it's 'good enough' is trolling too. If Vladdy played like this through the end of next year the Blue Jays would be justified in releasing him, given he'd still be due 25 million or more in arbitration based on RBIs, all star appearances and the gold glove.

[Captain_Obvious]

lol ok this is just pathetic

 

Orgs with any self-respect do not allow three key players to come to camp fat and out of shape without any repercussions. Instead, the Blue Jays continue to turn a blind eye and stroke their fat players ego instead of optimizing the team for winning.

[Daniel Labude]

They aren't totally wrong, the best statistical rating systems show Vladdy as being replacement level this year.

 

And it's not all because 'fangraphs' isn't measuring his defense right. His on base and slugging are about the same as Tristan Cassas

 

wRC+ paints a better picture, but he is still only 13th among qualified 1b men, 56th in baseball.

 

It's the kind of performance that is literally easy to replace at first.

 

Acting like it's 'good enough' is trolling too. If Vladdy played like this through the end of next year the Blue Jays would be justified in releasing him, given he'd still be due 25 million or more in arbitration based on RBIs, all star appearances and the gold glove.

 

I'm just gonna smile and laugh lol

 

[tossingthiscoin]

I'm just gonna smile and laugh lol

 

 

That's good for you to ignore the facts.

[Daniel Labude]

That's good for you to ignore the facts.

 

[Olerud363]

I'm just gonna smile and laugh lol

 

 

 

You are the one being a troll. We just saw a player Cody Bellinger, who had the exact same hitting stats in 2019 as Vlad in 2021 get released, so to act like Bellinger and Guerrero are completely different situations is trolling.

 

Both hit .300 .400 .600 or so with almost 50 homeruns.

Both had replacement level seasons within a couple of years (according to fangraphs)

Because of the arbitration system both were going to get paid more than they are worth.

 

Bellinger is different because his hitting stats were insane bad, so on one hand it is much easier to release a .200 .265 .390 guy (Bellinger) then a .270 .330 .440 guy (Guerrero).

 

On the other hand Vlad could have 0 fWAR with 100 rbis and that could make his arbitration salary higher than Bellingers would have been, so he could end up being more over valued than Bellinger.

[Daniel Labude]

You are the one being a troll. We just saw a player Cody Bellinger, who had the exact same hitting stats in 2019 as Vlad in 2021 get released, so to act like Bellinger and Guerrero are completely different situations is trolling.

 

Both hit .300 .400 .600 or so with almost 50 homeruns.

Both had replacement level seasons within a couple of years (according to fangraphs)

Because of the arbitration system both were going to get paid more than they are worth.

 

Bellinger is different because his hitting stats were insane bad, so on one hand it is much easier to release a .200 .265 .390 guy (Bellinger) then a .270 .330 .440 guy (Guerrero).

 

On the other hand Vlad could have 0 fWAR with 100 rbis and that could make his arbitration salary higher than Bellingers would have been, so he could end up being more over valued than Bellinger.

 

[Olerud363]

 

You aren't getting the issue here. Jose Cruz jr got released off of a 2.4 WAR season because he had 2 30 homer seasons previous to that and his arb was going to be too high.

 

Bellinger got released not because the Dodgers thought he couldn't come back, but because his arbitration salary would be too high, even if the Dodgers won the case.

 

Vlad is heading for an absolute disaster here, because the difference between his advanced stats value, and his counting stats/ trivial accomplishments could make the difference between his arbitraton salary and his value historic.

[hanton]

for that play at 2nd Berrios didn't recognize the situation and threw behind the runner - had he hesitated a bit and ran straight towards Grisham to get him in a run down - it would have been an easy out. Outstanding game though by Berrios, team didn't hit or at least didn't cash in runners when needed

[Daniel Labude]

You aren't getting the issue here. Jose Cruz jr got released off of a 2.4 WAR season because he had 2 30 homer seasons previous to that and his arb was going to be too high.

 

Bellinger got released not because the Dodgers thought he couldn't come back, but because his arbitration salary would be too high, even if the Dodgers won the case.

 

Vlad is heading for an absolute disaster here, because the difference between his advanced stats value, and his counting stats/ trivial accomplishments could make the difference between his arbitraton salary and his value historic.

This gif sure says a lot apparently. Enough to have a whole conversation with back and forths, full replies and everything. How you respond next will be fascinating so my reply is...

 

[JaysAllMighty]

[Olerud363]

This gif sure says a lot apparently. Enough to have a whole conversation with back and forths, full replies and everything. How you respond next will be fascinating so my reply is...

 

 

The replies aren't for you. They are for others following the conversation who might not have realized Vlad is playing at replacement value and how his arbitration salary may still go up to 20 million plus anyway.

 

No one is releasing Vlad Guerrero Jr. when he's getting paid 700,000 k, or 5 million or even 10 million. The issue comes in when he's replacement level and getting paid 20 million plus and there is no means to assign him a salary more in line with his value (because arbitration salaries can't go down by much). That is exactly what occasionally has happened to others in the past. And in fact the arbitration number might consider all the things you like, like the RBIs, the all star appearances, the gold glove, the 2021 numbers, the counting stats.

 

But in terms of the team, it doesn't matter if you don't believe in WAR, your not the one that is going to be crunching those numbers when they make this decision, someone like Tom Tango will and we already saw that you have no arguments with someone like him.

 

And obviously I'm not saying he will be released tomorrow, I doubt even this year, though if this level of play continues it could be a possibility next year.

 

Tough decision, as obviously he has talent and could immediately burn the Jays if playing for a rival... on the other hand would they pay a 1 WAR player 20+ million in 2025 if he has played 2 years of replacement level? That has happened yet obviously, it's only been 4 months.

[Spanky99]

The replies aren't for you. They are for others following the conversation who might not have realized Vlad is playing at replacement value and how his arbitration salary may still go up to 20 million plus anyway.

 

No one is releasing Vlad Guerrero Jr. when he's getting paid 700,000 k, or 5 million or even 10 million. The issue comes in when he's replacement level and getting paid 20 million plus and there is no means to assign him a salary more in line with his value (because arbitration salaries can't go down by much). That is exactly what occasionally has happened to others in the past. And in fact the arbitration number might consider all the things you like, like the RBIs, the all star appearances, the gold glove, the 2021 numbers, the counting stats.

 

But in terms of the team, it doesn't matter if you don't believe in WAR, your not the one that is going to be crunching those numbers when they make this decision, someone like Tom Tango will and we already saw that you have no arguments with someone like him.

 

And obviously I'm not saying he will be released tomorrow, I doubt even this year, though if this level of play continues it could be a possibility next year.

 

Tough decision, as obviously he has talent and could immediately burn the Jays if playing for a rival... on the other hand would they pay a 1 WAR player 20+ million in 2025 if he has played 2 years of replacement level? That has happened yet obviously, it's only been 4 months.

 

lol... Olerud just T-Rekt the meathead.

[Spanky99]

Jays need to win today, man... 4-2 sounds so much better than 3-3 on this homestand. Snell's been lights out for the past 25+ innings... LETS GO!!!

[Daniel Labude]

The replies aren't for you. They are for others following the conversation who might not have realized Vlad is playing at replacement value and how his arbitration salary may still go up to 20 million plus anyway.

 

No one is releasing Vlad Guerrero Jr. when he's getting paid 700,000 k, or 5 million or even 10 million. The issue comes in when he's replacement level and getting paid 20 million plus and there is no means to assign him a salary more in line with his value (because arbitration salaries can't go down by much). That is exactly what occasionally has happened to others in the past. And in fact the arbitration number might consider all the things you like, like the RBIs, the all star appearances, the gold glove, the 2021 numbers, the counting stats.

 

But in terms of the team, it doesn't matter if you don't believe in WAR, your not the one that is going to be crunching those numbers when they make this decision, someone like Tom Tango will and we already saw that you have no arguments with someone like him.

 

And obviously I'm not saying he will be released tomorrow, I doubt even this year, though if this level of play continues it could be a possibility next year.

 

Tough decision, as obviously he has talent and could immediately burn the Jays if playing for a rival... on the other hand would they pay a 1 WAR player 20+ million in 2025 if he has played 2 years of replacement level? That has happened yet obviously, it's only been 4 months.

 

 

Love the assumptions you make, especially the ones about me along with he made up comment lmao

[Olerud363]

 

Love the assumptions you make, especially the ones about me along with he made up comment lmao

 

Not sure what you mean about made up comment. You've said you don't think WAR is correct for 1b men. I followed the Tango conversation as closely as I could but maybe missed something.

 

It seemed you didn't much to say when arguing with the expert.

 

Vladimir Guerrero Jr is having a disappointing season and an unusual career path so far, you have a known blind spot to this.

 

He's going to end up the most overpaid arbitration player ever in terms of real value vs. paid value because of flaws with how the arbitration system works.

 

In terms of value assigned by the WAR formula Vlad is where Bellinger was when he got released (though has only been real brutal for 4 months, not 12)

 

By repeatedly posting you stupid graphic, you are saying that WAR doesn't work for your hero.... and that to even imply Vlad is worth 0.2 WAR this year, and that could lead to some hard decisions is a point worth mocking.

 

Players like Rios, Bellinger, Vernon Wells have essentially been given away for nothing after their WAR collapsed compared to paycheck, but that math isn't worth discussing for Vlad according to you, which makes me think you don't believe in the formula.

 

You seem to have then implied that WAR isn't working for Vlad, had an opportunity to debate Tango on the point, and didn't.

[RobinThicc]

Kid is embarrassing

[Brownie19]

Kid is dropping his hands. Needs better coaching.