General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[G-Snarls]

Ryu doesn't rely on velocity as much, so he should be fine. I don't think the issue will be performance but his innings limitations.

 

He just might be able to provide serviceable innings maybe 2-3 innings at a time.

 

If his stuff is good and he's feeling OK he will certainly get the chance

[WryNGinger]

Does anyone think that Ryu could actually come in for the 2nd half and give us some quality starts to close out the season....or are we all just assuming he's dead.

 

I would be surprised if he pitches with any kind of effectiveness in the majors again. He doesn't come across as a train for recovery and focus on rehab kind of guy at his age. I mean maybe...but I just wouldn't bet on it.

[G-Snarls]

What Can Blue Jays Expect From Ryu in 2023?

 

https://www.si.com/mlb/bluejays/analysis/what-blue-jays-expect-from-hyun-jin-ryu-in-2023-after-tommy-john-surgery

[Spanky99]

Command issues are usually a problem for guys coming back from TJS, when Ryu can't command the ball he gets rocked, it'll be interesting to see how that unfolds.

[wilko]

I think there's a chance it happens, but I don't think it's a particularly large chance.

 

I see the fat shaming undertones.

[glory]

Didn't Ryu after TJS in June? Unless the recovery period has drastically improved over the years, I'd be pretty surprised if he was back by mid season, much less pitching well enough to actually help the team down the stretch. I think 2023 will be a write off for him, but I guess we will see.

[Jonn]

Ryu making meaningful starts for the Blue Jays this season seems highly unlikely. But he also has almost no value in the bullpen and is very routine oriented so it would only make sense if he was used in planned long relief situations. That 5th Starter spot is very much up for grabs. But I am hoping our rotation is mostly sorted out by the time Ryu is healthy. Ricky T will be on this club this season will just be interesting in what role that will be.

[Jimcanuck]

Ryu making meaningful starts for the Blue Jays this season seems highly unlikely. But he also has almost no value in the bullpen and is very routine oriented so it would only make sense if he was used in planned long relief situations. That 5th Starter spot is very much up for grabs. But I am hoping our rotation is mostly sorted out by the time Ryu is healthy. Ricky T will be on this club this season will just be interesting in what role that will be.

 

Baseball history doesn't support this absolutism.

 

I would expect the Jays are proceeding with a realistic expectation that Rick T MAY pitch for the Jays, and if he does, he MAY be effective. In other words, little to no reliance on him as a factor this season.

[G-Snarls]

Bassit on MLB Radio this morning

 

Wanted a winning team

Wanted to be closer to family in Ohio

Was an easy decision

Says they're built to win short term and long term

Talked to a ton of players who were in TO past 5 years and no one had a single negative thing to say

Got to hang out with Romano when he got his nose piercing thinks he's crazy and awesome

Loves the staring rotation and says they should be all be able to pitch a lot of innings which will keep the bullpen fresh late in the season

Says wants to go 6-7 innings every time. "5 innings is a bad start"

[Jonn]

Baseball history doesn't support this absolutism.

 

I would expect the Jays are proceeding with a realistic expectation that Rick T MAY pitch for the Jays, and if he does, he MAY be effective. In other words, little to no reliance on him as a factor this season.

 

Assuming he’s healthy and his performance doesn’t fall off a cliff. He at the bare minimum is on this club as a power reliever in August. He could also be in the rotation as early as June. He’s not like most young power arms. He doesn’t struggle with command. Atleast he hasn’t so far. Recent memory suggests the Jays won’t hesitate to push him if he continues to dominate and that’s all hes done thus far.

 

The hype and excitement is real.

[Jonn]

Bassit on MLB Radio this morning

 

Wanted a winning team

Wanted to be closer to family in Ohio

Was an easy decision

Says they're built to win short term and long term

Talked to a ton of players who were in TO past 5 years and no one had a single negative thing to say

Got to hang out with Romano when he got his nose piercing thinks he's crazy and awesome

Loves the staring rotation and says they should be all be able to pitch a lot of innings which will keep the bullpen fresh late in the season

Says wants to go 6-7 innings every time. "5 innings is a bad start"

 

Love that mentality.

[Jimcanuck]

Assuming he’s healthy and his performance doesn’t fall off a cliff. He at the bare minimum is on this club as a power reliever in August. He could also be in the rotation as early as June. He’s not like most young power arms. He doesn’t struggle with command. Atleast he hasn’t so far. Recent memory suggests the Jays won’t hesitate to push him if he continues to dominate and that’s all hes done thus far.

 

The hype and excitement is real.

 

Pitchers, man. It's just as likely he doesn't get promoted to the big club. He has pitched all of 11 innings above A ball.

[Jonn]

Pitchers, man. It's just as likely he doesn't get promoted to the big club. He has pitched all of 11 innings above A ball.

 

He’s already hit AA. He’s not far away.

[Brownie19]

Pitchers, man. It's just as likely he doesn't get promoted to the big club. He has pitched all of 11 innings above A ball.

 

Also a very strong likelihood that Ricky would be on an innings limit and just be available out of the pen by September.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Manoah had 17 innings pitched at low A, then because of COVID didn't pitch in any games in 2020. Despite that the Jays still placed him in AAA to start 2021 and after only 18 innings he went straight to the bigs.

 

The Jays weren't f***ing around with Tiedemann either last season. Promoted him through three levels at 19 years old, and he dominated at every one of them. If he dominates again to start this season I could easily see the Jays bringing him up by June or so.

 

One big difference though between now and 2021 when they brought Manoah up right away, is the rotation is currently waaaay better on paper than it was back then. But if they have a starter struggling and Tiedemann is dominating, I have no doubt they'll bring him up.

[Spanky99]

Also a very strong likelihood that Ricky would be on an innings limit and just be available out of the pen by September.

 

No doubt he will, he only pitched 79 innings last season. We might see him this season in September as a reliever, I'm not so sure.

[Laika]

Manoah had 17 innings pitched at low A, then because of COVID didn't pitch in any games in 2020. Despite that the Jays still placed him in AAA to start 2021 and after only 18 innings he went straight to the bigs.

 

The Jays weren't f***ing around with Tiedemann either last season. Promoted him through three levels at 19 years old, and he dominated at every one of them. If he dominates again to start this season I could easily see the Jays bringing him up by June or so.

 

One big difference though between now and 2021 when they brought Manoah up right away, is the rotation is currently waaaay better on paper than it was back then. But if they have a starter struggling and Tiedemann is dominating, I have no doubt they'll bring him up.

 

bigger difference is that Manoah also threw like 125 innings in 2019 between College and the pros. That + his age makes any comp to Tiedemann not that appropriate.

[G-Snarls]

Love that mentality.

 

Me too

 

Big time

[jerb]

 

Michael Marino

@MarinoMLB

 

Source: Chad Green in agreement on a deal with the Toronto Blue Jays.

[Spanky99]

 

Michael Marino

@MarinoMLB

 

Source: Chad Green in agreement on a deal with the Toronto Blue Jays.

 

*YES!!!* Me Likey!

[Spanky99]

Pitchers, man. It's just as likely he doesn't get promoted to the big club. He has pitched all of 11 innings above A ball.

 

You mean High A ball.

[wilko]

 

Michael Marino

@MarinoMLB

 

Source: Chad Green in agreement on a deal with the Toronto Blue Jays.

 

Nice move.

[Jimcanuck]

You mean High A ball.

 

A+ is still A ball

[Spanky99]

A+ is still A ball

 

How, 2 entirely separate leagues and talent?

[Slade]

 

Michael Marino

@MarinoMLB

 

Source: Chad Green in agreement on a deal with the Toronto Blue Jays.

 

[G-Snarls]

I'm sure the Yankees would have liked to keep him. He's been one of their best out of the BP. Jays had to be creative with the contract obviously.

[Eat My Shatkins]

I'm reliever greedy.

 

I'd still like to see Britton and/or Reyes brought in somehow. I don't know if either of those guys will get an MLB deal having missed last season, but boy would it be great to get them on MiLB deals with invite to spring training.

[Ehjays]

 

[G-Snarls]

Yeah Bo made up for an entire season the last two months

[Krylian]