Around Baseball 2023

[L54]

I'd give Cueto that same deal, but with a few more million in incentives.

 

Yeah, so I expect the Jays to sign Cueto, Pollock and Moore to the roster by ST.

 

I think it would be a wise decision, but I do think they’ll add to the BP instead. One more piece, another lefty would be nice.

 

Spring can’t come soon enough

[G-Snarls]

I think it would be a wise decision, but I do think they’ll add to the BP instead. One more piece, another lefty would be nice.

 

Spring can’t come soon enough

 

So pumped for the season to start

[jaysblue]

Miley likely signed with the Brewers for a rotation spot, though. Miley would've been nice though.

 

Their rotation is pretty full as is - Burnes, Woodruff, Peralta, Lauer, Ashby, Houser. Unless one of Burnes/Woodruff are traded or an injury happens. He's fighting for that last No. 5 spot unless he's given it over Ashby. Houser should start the year in the pen.

[wilko]

I think Miley is mince meat if you look at his 2022 injuries

 

- neck strain end of 2021, and was delayed to start 2022

- elbow inflammation April, DL

- shoulder strain May, DL

- shoulder strain June, DL

- shoulder injury setback while on DL in August

- oblique issue September, avoided DL but didn't start

 

like... this guy is f***ed right

 

It's hard to tell with him. I thought he was cooked 7 years ago...

[Spanky__99]

Their rotation is pretty full as is - Burnes, Woodruff, Peralta, Lauer, Ashby, Houser. Unless one of Burnes/Woodruff are traded or an injury happens. He's fighting for that last No. 5 spot unless he's given it over Ashby. Houser should start the year in the pen.

 

The latter is what I'm saying, the Brewers have historically used SP's in their pen, and where I see them using Ashby as a multi inning fireman, while Houser's used as the long man/swingman, I don't think Miley'd sign otherwise. We'll see, but I'm sure this is what it'll be.

[jaysblue]

I'd give Cueto that same deal, but with a few more million in incentives.

 

Yeah, so I expect the Jays to sign Cueto, Pollock and Moore to the roster by ST.

 

Would rather sign these guys now at the end of the offseason instead of scrambling through the season looking for a reliable starting pitcher or a competent 4th outfielder. Depth was an issue earlier last season and we saw it hurt them when they had to trot out guys like Tapia or Zimmer everyday or having to give innings to Kikuchi and other scrubs.

 

An arm like Cueto helps more over 162 games rather than the Postseason. IMO the Jays have a solid Postseason roster with a strong front of the rotation, sound defensive teams, roster flexibility etc. Maybe just need another elite high K pen arm as icing on the cake. Otherwise, the goal should be getting this team to the Postseason, so roster depth will always be important.

 

Hope they can be creative with the payroll situation and don't have to go over.

[jaysblue]

The latter is what I'm saying, the Brewers have historically used SP's in their pen, and where I see them using Ashby as a multi inning fireman, while Houser's used as the long man/swingman, I don't think Miley'd sign otherwise. We'll see, but I'm sure this is what it'll be.

 

Yeah or if they use a 6 man rotation though doubt that.

 

Houser isn't that good so I see him in the pen. Ashby could be a multi-inning fireman with some nice upside. He's actually a decent starter but he could be a lights out BP arm for sure.

[Spanky__99]

Would rather sign these guys now at the end of the offseason instead of scrambling through the season looking for a reliable starting pitcher or a competent 4th outfielder. Depth was an issue earlier last season and we saw it hurt them when they had to trot out guys like Tapia or Zimmer everyday or having to give innings to Kikuchi and other scrubs.

 

An arm like Cueto helps more over 162 games rather than the Postseason. IMO the Jays have a solid Postseason roster with a strong front of the rotation, sound defensive teams, roster flexibility etc. Maybe just need another elite high K pen arm as icing on the cake. Otherwise, the goal should be getting this team to the Postseason, so roster depth will always be important.

 

Hope they can be creative with the payroll situation and don't have to go over.

 

Well, if they sign those 3 guys like I hope, they'll go well over and so be it. Lots of money off the roster next season, WS is the goal.

[glory]

I mean I can see giving an 11 year deal to a 26 year old. I don’t mind it tbh. It’s the 11 year deals to 30 year olds that are going to age like milk.

 

Yeah this isn't a bad deal given the market. It takes him through age 36 and the Red Sox should get a good amount of prime production years out of it. It's the deals that go to age 40 and beyond that are harder to justify. Plus, they couldn't afford to lose Devers after an all time bad trade with Betts and now losing Xander for nothing. Devers is the guy they had to pay/keep.

[Ehjays]

I don't get your point. This still happens regularly. Pitchers throw at/near batters and benches clear so everyone can waste time yelling at each other.

 

True but Im not talking about the benches clearing or pitchers throwing at players, Im talking about the character of the guys involved in the game....Everyone from Umpires to managers to players...Years ago, the way guys stood out was their character. Nowadays its just ego. Players wearing gold chains, not running out ground balls, hell, there was even a guy dropped a cell phone sliding into 3rd base last year. Umps that toss people for worst reasons cause they hear chirping from the bench and their feelings are hurt and managers that tip toe around the big stars.

Back in the day...The big guys all had character, the best managers, Billy Martin, Tommy Lasorda and feisty Earl Weaver , all of 5 ft 6 but HUGE character. Umpires like Ron Luciano amonst others loved confrontations and wasnt quick to throw a guy from the game. Players with characters like Mark Fidrych, Known for his quirky antics on the mound, or Bill Spaceman Lee for his outspoken personality (When asked about his views on mandatory drug testing, Lee says: "I've tried just about all of them, but I wouldn't want to make it mandatory") Johnson was one of those pitchers thats players feared when they stepped in the box. In this case, Lofton was saying hrs before the game that Johnson always threw at his head. First pitch, down goes Loften in dramatic form, Johnson says "It was a f***in slider, if I wanted to hit you I would have thrown a fastball" They finally get things settled down and Johnson throws a fastball at him. THAT is what I speak of when I say I miss that old part of the game.

[Ehjays]

I mean I can see giving an 11 year deal to a 26 year old. I don’t mind it tbh. It’s the 11 year deals to 30 year olds that are going to age like milk.

 

[Jimcanuck]

True but Im not talking about the benches clearing or pitchers throwing at players, Im talking about the character of the guys involved in the game....Everyone from Umpires to managers to players...Years ago, the way guys stood out was their character. Nowadays its just ego. Players wearing gold chains, not running out ground balls, hell, there was even a guy dropped a cell phone sliding into 3rd base last year. Umps that toss people for worst reasons cause they hear chirping from the bench and their feelings are hurt and managers that tip toe around the big stars.

Back in the day...The big guys all had character, the best managers, Billy Martin, Tommy Lasorda and feisty Earl Weaver , all of 5 ft 6 but HUGE character. Umpires like Ron Luciano amonst others loved confrontations and wasnt quick to throw a guy from the game. Players with characters like Mark Fidrych, Known for his quirky antics on the mound, or Bill Spaceman Lee for his outspoken personality (When asked about his views on mandatory drug testing, Lee says: "I've tried just about all of them, but I wouldn't want to make it mandatory") Johnson was one of those pitchers thats players feared when they stepped in the box. In this case, Lofton was saying hrs before the game that Johnson always threw at his head. First pitch, down goes Loften in dramatic form, Johnson says "It was a f***in slider, if I wanted to hit you I would have thrown a fastball" They finally get things settled down and Johnson throws a fastball at him. THAT is what I speak of when I say I miss that old part of the game.

 

This sort of stuff still goes on. Maybe you missed the stuff Gerrit Cole, Trevor Bauer, Harper get up to. Lots of colourful characters in MLB

[Brownie19]

True but Im not talking about the benches clearing or pitchers throwing at players, Im talking about the character of the guys involved in the game....Everyone from Umpires to managers to players...Years ago, the way guys stood out was their character. Nowadays its just ego. Players wearing gold chains, not running out ground balls, hell, there was even a guy dropped a cell phone sliding into 3rd base last year. Umps that toss people for worst reasons cause they hear chirping from the bench and their feelings are hurt and managers that tip toe around the big stars.

Back in the day...The big guys all had character, the best managers, Billy Martin, Tommy Lasorda and feisty Earl Weaver , all of 5 ft 6 but HUGE character. Umpires like Ron Luciano amonst others loved confrontations and wasnt quick to throw a guy from the game. Players with characters like Mark Fidrych, Known for his quirky antics on the mound, or Bill Spaceman Lee for his outspoken personality (When asked about his views on mandatory drug testing, Lee says: "I've tried just about all of them, but I wouldn't want to make it mandatory") Johnson was one of those pitchers thats players feared when they stepped in the box. In this case, Lofton was saying hrs before the game that Johnson always threw at his head. First pitch, down goes Loften in dramatic form, Johnson says "It was a f***in slider, if I wanted to hit you I would have thrown a fastball" They finally get things settled down and Johnson throws a fastball at him. THAT is what I speak of when I say I miss that old part of the game.

 

No offense, but I find this hilarious. There is a f***ton of 'character' in baseball right now. So much so that most old school types hate it and wish players would show more respect. Now I think that's because the 'character' is displayed in what they would consider to be a showboat fashion (although I don't recall people hating Rickey Henderson or Reggie Jackson - even though he pimped the f*** out of home runs).

 

You want Mark Fidrych? Nestor Cortes, Johnny Cueto, Stroman

You want Randy Johnson? Alek Manoah is pretty large and intimating - leading the league in hit batters. Or how about Amir Garrett who literally tried to fight an entire team on his own?

You want Bill Lee? Brian Wilson (yes he's retired) Trevor Bauer JD Stroman

 

Gold chains and 1 f***ing cell phone upsets you? Tim Raines used to carry cocaine in his back pocket during games - is that more your style?

 

Don't run out ground balls? That isn't exactly new and personally, the risk of injury typically isn't worth the potential for 1 or 2 extra times on base per year when someone bizarre happens.

 

As for umpires and managers and on-field antics. I have always hated that nonsense, so I'm happy that's changed considerably. Most of those managers looked like morons.

 

You kind of sound like the old man who yells at clouds man. Sorry.

[BTS]

This did not go well

 

[wilko]

The Moose is loose!

[G-Snarls]

Yeah this isn't a bad deal given the market. It takes him through age 36 and the Red Sox should get a good amount of prime production years out of it. It's the deals that go to age 40 and beyond that are harder to justify. Plus, they couldn't afford to lose Devers after an all time bad trade with Betts and now losing Xander for nothing. Devers is the guy they had to pay/keep.

 

100%

 

Fanbase would have fully revolted

[G-Snarls]

Carlos Correa’s camp in contact with at least one other team after Mets talks hit hiccup

 

By Jon Heyman and Greg Joyce

 

January 5, 2023 7:14pm Updated

 

https://nypost.com/2023/01/05/carlos-correa-in-contact-with-another-team-after-mets-hiccup/?utm_source=NYPSportsTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&sr_share=twitter

[Ehjays]

No offense, but I find this hilarious. There is a f***ton of 'character' in baseball right now. So much so that most old school types hate it and wish players would show more respect. Now I think that's because the 'character' is displayed in what they would consider to be a showboat fashion (although I don't recall people hating Rickey Henderson or Reggie Jackson - even though he pimped the f*** out of home runs).

 

You want Mark Fidrych? Nestor Cortes, Johnny Cueto, Stroman

You want Randy Johnson? Alek Manoah is pretty large and intimating - leading the league in hit batters. Or how about Amir Garrett who literally tried to fight an entire team on his own?

You want Bill Lee? Brian Wilson (yes he's retired) Trevor Bauer JD Stroman

 

Gold chains and 1 f***ing cell phone upsets you? Tim Raines used to carry cocaine in his back pocket during games - is that more your style?

 

Don't run out ground balls? That isn't exactly new and personally, the risk of injury typically isn't worth the potential for 1 or 2 extra times on base per year when someone bizarre happens.

 

As for umpires and managers and on-field antics. I have always hated that nonsense, so I'm happy that's changed considerably. Most of those managers looked like morons.

 

You kind of sound like the old man who yells at clouds man. Sorry.

 

LOL No need to apoligise. I am an crusty old ******* I'd be first to admit it.

[WryNGinger]

LOL No need to apoligise. I am an crusty old ******* I'd be first to admit it.

 

Manoah yelling at Cole to walk past the logo next time he has something to chirp about comes to mind...lol. A second year player telling a well-paid vet to stfu is all about character, that is legendary s*** right there.

[Spanky__99]

Manoah yelling at Cole to walk past the logo next time he has something to chirp about comes to mind...lol. A second year player telling a well-paid vet to stfu is all about character, that is legendary s*** right there.

 

Nicely said... an epic moment, he's actually a rookie last year.

[Stottlemyres_Bloody_Chin]

No offense, but I find this hilarious. There is a f***ton of 'character' in baseball right now. So much so that most old school types hate it and wish players would show more respect. Now I think that's because the 'character' is displayed in what they would consider to be a showboat fashion (although I don't recall people hating Rickey Henderson or Reggie Jackson - even though he pimped the f*** out of home runs).

 

You want Mark Fidrych? Nestor Cortes, Johnny Cueto, Stroman

You want Randy Johnson? Alek Manoah is pretty large and intimating - leading the league in hit batters. Or how about Amir Garrett who literally tried to fight an entire team on his own?

You want Bill Lee? Brian Wilson (yes he's retired) Trevor Bauer JD Stroman

 

Gold chains and 1 f***ing cell phone upsets you? Tim Raines used to carry cocaine in his back pocket during games - is that more your style?

 

Don't run out ground balls? That isn't exactly new and personally, the risk of injury typically isn't worth the potential for 1 or 2 extra times on base per year when someone bizarre happens.

 

As for umpires and managers and on-field antics. I have always hated that nonsense, so I'm happy that's changed considerably. Most of those managers looked like morons.

 

You kind of sound like the old man who yells at clouds man. Sorry.

 

This. 100% This.

 

Game, Set and Match.

[Ehjays]

[Brownie19]

 

This is my poster boy for my proposal to allow players to sign 2 way contracts (not that teams are really all that interested in keeping Lewin Diaz). How can this be good for the league or the player?

[BigCecil]

100%

 

Fanbase would have fully revolted

 

Really though do they care that much? How much of a motivator is that? The business of the Red Sox would take some hit but its so large and successful they can make moves like they did with Betts and Xander not really skipping a beat. Whats the real cost of moving on from even Devers too, to the business? Honest question - I don't know that answer. Just musing about the calculation.

 

FO and ownership know that there its all about winning and if they win the fans support them. The do well financially even when they arent great. If they don't win much, it doesn't matter if they have Devers or not, the fanbase is up in arms. He might became a focal point of the criticism if gone, but if they suck the fanbase will find other criticism topics, even if they pay him or don't.

[Brownie19]

Really though do they care that much? How much of a motivator is that? The business of the Red Sox would take some hit but its so large and successful they can make moves like they did with Betts and Xander not really skipping a beat. Whats the real cost of moving on from even Devers too, to the business? Honest question - I don't know that answer. Just musing about the calculation.

 

FO and ownership know that there its all about winning and if they win the fans support them. If they don't it doesn't matter if they have Devers or not. He might became a focal point of the criticism if gone, but if they suck the fanbase will find other criticism topics, even if they have pay him.

 

If you have lots of other new young exciting players, then nobody notices. See the Astros who have let Cole, Verlander, Correa, etc. go without anyone blinking an eye.

[BigCecil]

If you have lots of other new young exciting players, then nobody notices. See the Astros who have let Cole, Verlander, Correa, etc. go without anyone blinking an eye.

 

Ya, and winning. The whole Pujols leaving STL always sticks in my mind. It was a huge thing at the time and massive debate, but Cards fans after the fact, are thankful someone else took that hit. Then they just got to enjoy the encore goodbye tour.

[jaysblue]

If you have lots of other new young exciting players, then nobody notices. See the Astros who have let Cole, Verlander, Correa, etc. go without anyone blinking an eye.

 

Yeah a team with a strong roster of young players or pitchers can definitely take the hit of losing a top FA. As long as they field an exciting roster that is competitive, fans won't care so much. Astros the last couple of years are a perfect example like you said after losing Cole, Verlander and Correa. Even the Cards after they lost Pujols as well.

[BigCecil]

Yeah a team with a strong roster of young players or pitchers can definitely take the hit of losing a top FA. As long as they field an exciting roster that is competitive, fans won't care so much. Astros the last couple of years are a perfect example like you said after losing Cole, Verlander and Correa. Even the Cards after they lost Pujols as well.

 

True. I am pretty fascinated to see what this FO does on any extension attempts for Bo and or Vlad. With the '23 market, I'm not convinced the FO and player(s) decide to get anything done. Things could change in the market, so at this point in their service time, the FO is likely going to be patient and bet it comes down. I could be totally wrong of course.

[Laika]

This is my poster boy for my proposal to allow players to sign 2 way contracts (not that teams are really all that interested in keeping Lewin Diaz). How can this be good for the league or the player?

 

It’s good for the player because theoretically the team he ends up with has an MLB roster spot for him

[Brownie19]

It’s good for the player because theoretically the team he ends up with has an MLB roster spot for him

 

But in many cases, the roster spot is available for a few weeks and then he's packing his bag to move somewhere else for another few weeks or months. Why can't they give teams the ability to give him compensation to avoid that BS and stay with that organization, full well knowing he's a fringe guy who may go back and fourth between AAA and the majors as needed?