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[Spanky__99]

Amed Rosario is hitting cleanup for the Dodgers tonight

 

Since JD Martinez left hurt on Sunday, he's went from batting 9th to 3rd 4th and 5th in the lineup, strange, it should be Muncy and Outman, in this scenario. Roberts' dumn.

[Spanky__99]

Baltimore is going to win 95+ games and go into the playoffs with a #2 starter with an ERA pushing 5. Absolutely embarrassing.

 

As a long time owner, he pitches a gem, or gets rocked, no inbetween with him, frustrating.

[L54]

Big Dumper rakes when the game is on the line

 

He lives for those moments

[Jonn]

Stay away from bridges tonight, Jonn.

 

Don’t tell me how to live my life.

[Stangstag]

Baltimore is going to win 95+ games and go into the playoffs with a #2 starter with an ERA pushing 5. Absolutely embarrassing.

 

It shouldn’t be sustainable but somehow they’re still on top. Frustrating.

[connorp]

Baltimore is going to win 95+ games and go into the playoffs with a #2 starter with an ERA pushing 5. Absolutely embarrassing.

 

I’d take Grayson to pitch in a game this weekend over any Jay not named Gausman. He’s looked pretty good for Part II. Not sure if he’ll make it to the playoffs, in terms of innings I mean.

[jaysblue]

Since JD Martinez left hurt on Sunday, he's went from batting 9th to 3rd 4th and 5th in the lineup, strange, it should be Muncy and Outman, in this scenario. Roberts' dumn.

 

Rockies had a lefty on the mound last night, so Muncy and Outman were on the bench. They rarely start against southpaws.

[jaysblue]

Baltimore is going to win 95+ games and go into the playoffs with a #2 starter with an ERA pushing 5. Absolutely embarrassing.

 

Gibson has a 2.3 WAR which is also tied with Berrios and ahead of Bassitt (1.4 WAR). According to WAR, he would be tied on the Jays as their second best pitcher.

 

Orioles getting a lot from their bullpen obviously. Bautista has been worth 2.5 WAR, Cano has been worth 1.4 WAR and Coulombe 1.2 WAR. Crazy!

 

Bradish at 1.9 WAR has been solid for them. Grayson looks like he's figured things out now as well.

[Spanky__99]

Rockies had a lefty on the mound last night, so Muncy and Outman were on the bench. They rarely start against southpaws.

 

Incorrect.

[jaysblue]

It shouldn’t be sustainable but somehow they’re still on top. Frustrating.

 

Their three big late inning bullpen arms have been really amazing. Like Bautista is on pace to finish with 3.0 WAR, Cano likely can come close to 2 WAR and Coulombe could get to 1.5 WAR. That's almost 7 WAR between those three pen arms alone. Who knows by time the Postseason rolls around if they run out of gas though, that would be ideal.

[jaysblue]

Incorrect.

 

Wasn't Gomber pitching last night?

[Spanky__99]

Wasn't Gomber pitching last night?

 

Yes. And they've both been in the lineup with Rosario hitting in those spots.

[Spanky__99]

Their three big late inning bullpen arms have been really amazing. Like Bautista is on pace to finish with 3.0 WAR, Cano likely can come close to 2 WAR and Coulombe could get to 1.5 WAR. That's almost 7 WAR between those three pen arms alone. Who knows by time the Postseason rolls around if they run out of gas though, that would be ideal.

 

Look at the boxscore for them guys over the Astros series, first time I seen that all season, they were punished.

[MikeM3]

Their three big late inning bullpen arms have been really amazing. Like Bautista is on pace to finish with 3.0 WAR, Cano likely can come close to 2 WAR and Coulombe could get to 1.5 WAR. That's almost 7 WAR between those three pen arms alone. Who knows by time the Postseason rolls around if they run out of gas though, that would be ideal.

 

They are running out of gas. That's our advantage. We have a ton of bullpen depth. Although they just picked up Webb for free and he looks good.

[jaysblue]

Look at the boxscore for them guys over the Astros series, first time I seen that all season, they were punished.

 

Innings and usage probably getting to them now, which is an advantage for us! If their pen can't keep pitching at an elite level, they will have a tough time in the Postseason.

[jaysblue]

They are running out of gas. That's our advantage. We have a ton of bullpen depth. Although they just picked up Webb for free and he looks good.

 

Yeah if the Jays can get Romano and Green back at 100%, along with Hicks, Mayza, Richards, Cabrera, should be good.

 

Orioles have been working those guys hard so it's a matter of time they hit a wall. If they don't bounce back, could be trouble for them.

[metafour]

Gibson has a 2.3 WAR which is also tied with Berrios and ahead of Bassitt (1.4 WAR). According to WAR, he would be tied on the Jays as their second best pitcher.

 

That is fWAR. Baseball Reference has his WAR at only 0.7 (Bassitt is at 1.1 bWAR for comparison). Massive massive discrepancy there.

 

Anyone know what it is about his profile that makes Fangraphs love him in their formula? It's not like his peripherals are mind-blowing (7.49 K/9 to 2.79 BB/9).

 

In this case bWAR seems to be more reasonable for a pitcher sitting right under 5.00 ERA.

[BTS]

Gibson has a 2.3 WAR which is also tied with Berrios and ahead of Bassitt (1.4 WAR). According to WAR, he would be tied on the Jays as their second best pitcher.

 

Orioles getting a lot from their bullpen obviously. Bautista has been worth 2.5 WAR, Cano has been worth 1.4 WAR and Coulombe 1.2 WAR. Crazy!

 

Bradish at 1.9 WAR has been solid for them. Grayson looks like he's figured things out now as well.

 

I don't really care about fWAR when a pitcher is running a clearly unsustainable HR/FB rate. Gibson is a 4th/5th starter on a good team. Baltimore should have been doing everything they could to add a frontline starter at the deadline, but their ownership isn't serious about winning.

[Stangstag]

I don't really care about fWAR when a pitcher is running a clearly unsustainable HR/FB rate. Gibson is a 4th/5th starter on a good team. Baltimore should have been doing everything they could to add a frontline starter at the deadline, but their ownership isn't serious about winning.

 

Is it unsustainable or is it just the new Camden outfield??

 

Either way, I agree Gibson is overperforming like hell this year

[jaysblue]

I don't really care about fWAR when a pitcher is running a clearly unsustainable HR/FB rate. Gibson is a 4th/5th starter on a good team. Baltimore should have been doing everything they could to add a frontline starter at the deadline, but their ownership isn't serious about winning.

 

I understand that. I'm not a Gibson fan either, but regardless they have got good value out of him to date and he hasn't been that bad as people on this board make him out to be. Sure he could implode as we saw with his last start and things could get ugly.

 

Agree, Baltimore should have added a front line starter but who really was available outside of Verlander or Scherzer? Cease would have been nice but he hasn't been pitching like a front of the rotation starter and the White Sox didn't move him. During the offseason, all the front line starters like deGrom and Rodon have been injured for the most part, Verlander signed for crazy money, Eovaldi had some upside but came with risk. When you look back, there weren't many great options available to add a true No. 1 guy.

Edited August 12, 2023 by jaysblue

[jaysblue]

That is fWAR. Baseball Reference has his WAR at only 0.7 (Bassitt is at 1.1 bWAR for comparison). Massive massive discrepancy there.

 

Anyone know what it is about his profile that makes Fangraphs love him in their formula? It's not like his peripherals are mind-blowing (7.49 K/9 to 2.79 BB/9).

 

In this case bWAR seems to be more reasonable for a pitcher sitting right under 5.00 ERA.

 

Yeah I don't understand how his fWAR can be so high given his other numbers. His FIP is below 4 though. He has been durable and has given them 145 innings, which is 6th best in all of baseball. From looking at his game logs, he usually goes 6-7 innings on a good day, or he'll give up 4-5 ER in 4 to 5 innings. He's pretty much like Jekyll and Hyde. Otherwise his last start where he gave up 9 ER was really his only blowup this season.

 

For the most part of his career, Gibson has been a 2-3 WAR pitcher.

[jaysblue]

Is it unsustainable or is it just the new Camden outfield??

 

Either way, I agree Gibson is overperforming like hell this year

 

He's given them innings - 145 IPs to date - which is valuable. He's ranked 6th in all of baseball, just behind Cole, Alcantara, Nola, Gallen and Webb.

 

From looking at his game logs, when he's on he usually goes 6 or 7 innings, giving up 1 or 2 ER. When he has a off day, he still does give them 4-5 innings maybe giving up 4-5 ERs. Really his last start where he gave up 9 ER was his only blowup this season.

 

13 quality starts (hate using it as a stat) but he's up there in that category, tied with Castillo, Strider, Elder, Gilbert, and ahead of guys like Ohtani and Snell lol. Pretty much he's been a durable arm for them and eating up innings for them. He's been worth the $10M contract they signed him for.

[BTS]

I understand that. I'm not a Gibson fan either, but regardless they have got good value out of him to date and he hasn't been that bad as people on this board make him out to be. Sure he could implode as we saw with his last start and things could get ugly.

 

Agree, Baltimore should have added a front line starter but who really was available outside of Verlander or Scherzer? Cease would have been nice but he hasn't been pitching like a front of the rotation starter and the White Sox didn't move him. During the offseason, all the front line starters like deGrom and Rodon have been injured for the most part, Verlander signed for crazy money, Eovaldi had some upside but came with risk. When you look back, there weren't many great options available to add a true No. 1 guy.

 

Should have at least outbid the Dodgers for Lance Lynn. Dude was striking out everyone while being caved in Chicago, and has been great since being rescued from that dumpster fire. But I'm pretty sure the Angelos' wouldn't have approved the extra 7M or whatever he's owed, so instead they get Cole Irvin in the rotation.

[jaysblue]

Should have at least outbid the Dodgers for Lance Lynn. Dude was striking out everyone while being caved in Chicago, and has been great since being rescued from that dumpster fire. But I'm pretty sure the Angelos' wouldn't have approved the extra 7M or whatever he's owed, so instead they get Cole Irvin in the rotation.

 

Lynn was pretty awful with the White Sox - 6.47 ERA and 5.21 FIP. Yes his K rate was solid but he wasn't an elite arm given the season he had to date. Dodgers just targeted him for innings and depth purposes. A team with a huge payroll can afford that luxury. You're only saying that now since Lynn has been lights out since joining the Dodgers.

 

Keep in mind, Lynn's first three starts with the Dodgers were against Oakland, San Diego and Colorado. Far from elite lineups.

 

Flaherty, who yeah I think is overrated, was a decent pickup for them - 1.8 fWAR, 9.10 K/9 and 4.12 FIP. So far with the Orioles, he's posted a 3.27 ERA and has 16 K's in 11 innings. Against two pretty good teams as well - the Blue Jays and the Astros.

 

Astros could have used a Verlander more than anything.

[Spanky__99]

That is fWAR. Baseball Reference has his WAR at only 0.7 (Bassitt is at 1.1 bWAR for comparison). Massive massive discrepancy there.

 

Anyone know what it is about his profile that makes Fangraphs love him in their formula? It's not like his peripherals are mind-blowing (7.49 K/9 to 2.79 BB/9).

 

In this case bWAR seems to be more reasonable for a pitcher sitting right under 5.00 ERA.

 

It's FIP centric, it's better to look at RA9 WAR in Fangraphs or as you suggested use bWAR with pitchers.

[BTS]

Lynn was pretty awful with the White Sox - 6.47 ERA and 5.21 FIP. Yes his K rate was solid but he wasn't an elite arm given the season he had to date. Dodgers just targeted him for innings and depth purposes. A team with a huge payroll can afford that luxury. You're only saying that now since Lynn has been lights out since joining the Dodgers.

 

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Lol, I traded for him in DDL like a month ago when he was with Chicago, and tried to in BORED. Lynn still has the three things that made him effective before this year: swing and miss stuff, enough command to limit walks, and the ability to eat innings. I don’t really find it surprising that he’s looked good again since leaving Chicago.

 

Along those lines, Cease is probably going to K like 250 guys with a sub-3 ERA when he finally leaves the most toxic org in baseball.

[BTS]

Matt Olson is having an insane year, but isn't really talked about much because Acuna and Freeman are so far ahead of everyone in the MVP race.

[Spanky__99]

Matt Olson is having an insane year, but isn't really talked about much because Acuna and Freeman are so far ahead of everyone in the MVP race.

 

New HR leader!

[BTS]

New HR leader!

 

He's going to hit 55-60 and drive in like 140 runs.

[L54]

The Braves are so good. Imagine being a fan of that team? I’ve got buddies a few years older than me like late 30’s early 40’s who grew up in the TBS era who are die hard Braves fans and I envy them