GDT: Game 3/3 Reds @ Blue Jays

[Olerud363]

Fire Charlie and bring in a vet like Bobby Valentine as manager

 

Cito Gaston. Pull dat ball.

 

The strategic decisions aren't the issue... it's hitting philosophy.

 

Who the hell knows what the right hitting advice is. My guess is they'll finally figure out when they get to Camden yards

 

And hit a bunch of 110 mph 400 foot outs to the new left field.

[Olerud363]

Consistent off season proponent of adding at least 1 impact LHH to this line up. Don't agree that it doesn't matter "as long as the RHH bats are all good".

 

They tried to get Ramirez. Failed. Schwarber went for 4/8 0 PHI. Traded Rowdy (understandable at time given bullpen blood on the floor). It remains a glaring issue. We are just too easy to pitch to, virtually all one way. Will be very tough to fill the hole at this point in season materially. This had to have gotten done off season. Zimmer, Collins, Tapia is shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic.

 

Seems like there should be a path to reconfigure the talent. Even at this point. Turn Gurriel, Moreno, Orelvis into 2 good young left handed hitters with control.

 

If you got on the computer and the trade calculator and designed trades of equal value with those 3 going one way and left handed hitters coming back couldn't you come up with something?

[Spanky99]

 

Hahaha... I am the Dude!

[BigCecil]

Hahaha... I am the Dude!

 

Watched that the other day with son. First time he had seen it. Couple parts with John Goodman we were laughing so hard. Loved it. Big Lebowski is such a classic.

[Spanky99]

Watched that the other day with son. First time he had seen it. Couple parts with John Goodman we were laughing so hard. Loved it. Big Lebowski is such a classic.

 

It's up there on the list for me. Dazed and Confused was another I truly loved.

[Stangstag]

Watched that the other day with son. First time he had seen it. Couple parts with John Goodman we were laughing so hard. Loved it. Big Lebowski is such a classic.

 

The part with the scattering ashes gets me every time

[BigCecil]

The part with the scattering ashes gets me every time

 

Me too lol. We laughed hard. Another gut buster every time is "Walter's Plan" for the handoff. The best.

[Spanky99]

Me too lol. We laughed hard. Another gut buster every time is "Walter's Plan" for the handoff. The best.

 

lol... classic.

[JuniorFelix54]

Stupid Narrative. They played about the same all season, except for a couple of weeks late August where they didn't hit.

 

The September "run" just had some of those high scoring games go the Jays way, I remember the Oakland series, the Baltimore series they just lucked out with a hit at the right time...

 

Last year was completely different with dumb-ass losses and bullpen woes, and then crazy comeback wins, but bats and starters looked about the same all year.

 

This is different s***, a 550 run scoring team, with several guys potentially losing a few hundred million of career earnings by redefining their career arc.

 

You think I'm kidding? Sure they won't be as bad as they have been... but after this year can you see Vlad and Bo being the 350 million dollar guys they looked like before the season? Can you see Teoscar being a 125 million guy?

 

Yes I can, because there's a sucker born every day. There are 30 teams, one of them will be dumb enough to do it. There will always be at least one guy who looks at 2021 and pays them off of that regardless of this year, hell there always seems to be one guy who remembers a monster season a guy had 5 years ago and still throws money at them for it.

[Olerud363]

Yes I can, because there's a sucker born every day. There are 30 teams, one of them will be dumb enough to do it. There will always be at least one guy who looks at 2021 and pays them off of that regardless of this year, hell there always seems to be one guy who remembers a monster season a guy had 5 years ago and still throws money at them for it.

 

I doubt it. Jorge Solar got 3 years 36 million. Better traditional numbers than Hernandez in his big season, but about the same in advanced stats, then fell off. People were predicting 5 100 for Hernandez, however he'll be lucky to get Solar's contract if he doesn't perform the next year and a half.

 

People had no idea what to put Guerrero at, but were thinking 10 350 million, or maybe 12 400. However his career numbers are the same as Matt Olson's

 

First, Jays aren't going to sign him to a mega contract at the end of this year, if he's had 4 years, 3 of them mediocre, no one will know what to peg his value at.

 

If he ends up being a Matt Olson type, he'll get Matt Olson money... 150 million or something, not 400. So yes, if these guys keep imploding they will cost themselves hundreds of millions.

 

Good news is the slow starts might have already shaved off significant money for 2023 arb values. They can use it to sign others and hope for bounce backs.

[Terminator]

I doubt it. Jorge Solar got 3 years 36 million. Better traditional numbers than Hernandez in his big season, but about the same in advanced stats, then fell off. People were predicting 5 100 for Hernandez, however he'll be lucky to get Solar's contract if he doesn't perform the next year and a half.

 

People had no idea what to put Guerrero at, but were thinking 10 350 million, or maybe 12 400. However his career numbers are the same as Matt Olson's

 

First, Jays aren't going to sign him to a mega contract at the end of this year, if he's had 4 years, 3 of them mediocre, no one will know what to peg his value at.

 

If he ends up being a Matt Olson type, he'll get Matt Olson money... 150 million or something, not 400. So yes, if these guys keep imploding they will cost themselves hundreds of millions.

 

Good news is the slow starts might have already shaved off significant money for 2023 arb values. They can use it to sign others and hope for bounce backs.

 

Yeah Fangraphs has a Vlad extension at 8 years 174 million right now.

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/which-young-players-should-be-next-to-sign-long-term-deals/

[saskjayfan]

I doubt it. Jorge Solar got 3 years 36 million. Better traditional numbers than Hernandez in his big season, but about the same in advanced stats, then fell off. People were predicting 5 100 for Hernandez, however he'll be lucky to get Solar's contract if he doesn't perform the next year and a half.

 

People had no idea what to put Guerrero at, but were thinking 10 350 million, or maybe 12 400. However his career numbers are the same as Matt Olson's

 

First, Jays aren't going to sign him to a mega contract at the end of this year, if he's had 4 years, 3 of them mediocre, no one will know what to peg his value at.

 

If he ends up being a Matt Olson type, he'll get Matt Olson money... 150 million or something, not 400. So yes, if these guys keep imploding they will cost themselves hundreds of millions.

 

Good news is the slow starts might have already shaved off significant money for 2023 arb values. They can use it to sign others and hope for bounce backs.

 

Vlad isn't going to end this year with mediocre numbers. He may not have the numbers he had last year, but he will hit a homer again this year and his numbers will be very good!

[JaysAllMighty]

Yeah Fangraphs has a Vlad extension at 8 years 174 million right now.

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/which-young-players-should-be-next-to-sign-long-term-deals/

 

Sign him up quick!

[BigCecil]

Vlad isn't going to end this year with mediocre numbers. He may not have the numbers he had last year, but he will hit a homer again this year and his numbers will be very good!

 

3/4 of the season left. At some point odds are he is going to get hot and numbers can change quickly this few PAs in. Look at Trevor Storys'. Sooner rather than later please.

[Spanky99]

Yeah Fangraphs has a Vlad extension at 8 years 174 million right now.

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/which-young-players-should-be-next-to-sign-long-term-deals/

 

Interesting, that's reasonable; sign him up!!!

[Spanky99]

Jays pitching matchups against the Cards is Berrios/Mikolas and Gausman/Hicks, I'd give us the edge here but our bats have been woeful, at least the Cards are missing 2/3rds of their OF with Carlson and O'Neill on the IL. A split would be ideal, hopefully we get some decent offense and can take the 2 game set.

[Olerud363]

Vlad isn't going to end this year with mediocre numbers. He may not have the numbers he had last year, but he will hit a homer again this year and his numbers will be very good!

 

Never said he would. I said he will end up being more of a Matt Olson then an Albert Pujols... Which brings the price of a long term contract way down.

[Olerud363]

Interesting, that's reasonable; sign him up!!!

 

Vlad and his agent probably wouldn't go for that at this point. Him and his agent will still view him as a mega-star. I bet a deal doesn't get done until after next year, when he has more of a track record so each side can feel comfortable they know what he is.

[Spanky99]

Vlad and his agent probably wouldn't go for that at this point. Him and his agent will still view him as a mega-star. I bet a deal doesn't get done until after next year, when he has more of a track record so each side can feel comfortable they know what he is.

 

Tongue in cheek, bro.