Jump to content
Jays Centre
  • Create Account

General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2022)

Grant77

By Grant77
in Toronto Blue Jays Talk

 Share

Recommended Posts

Olerud363 FCL Blue Jays

Olerud363

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
Hopefully Martinez makes it through the rule 5 ok. Its interesting they kept Capra and lukes.

 

The espinal/biggio/whit/barger thing will sort itself out i think. Barger can stay down for a month, and whit and cavan presumably can duke it out.

 

I'm completely confused about the Martinez being left off the 40. Who was the last prospect with these kind of stats the Jays left unprotected?

 

There was no way they could have done a 2-1 trade to make room? Capra and Lukes ahead of Martinez? Like they needed to protect both of those?

 

Like what scenario would both Lukes and Capra be needed ? Like combined they weren't needed last year... Or is there still time to add Martinez to the 40 man if they make another move?

 

Or does Martinez actually scout bad despite excellent stats for a 19 year old in high a? Or is Martinez's real name Jose DeSanta and he's actually 26 and stole some dudes birth certificate? Make it make sense.

  • Replies 8.5k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Dagagad Draft Eligible

Dagagad

Verified Member
Posted
Posted
I'm completely confused about the Martinez being left off the 40. Who was the last prospect with these kind of stats the Jays left unprotected?

 

There was no way they could have done a 2-1 trade to make room? Capra and Lukes ahead of Martinez? Like they needed to protect both of those?

 

Like what scenario would both Lukes and Capra be needed ? Like combined they weren't needed last year... Or is there still time to add Martinez to the 40 man if they make another move?

 

Or does Martinez actually scout bad despite excellent stats for a 19 year old in high a? Or is Martinez's real name Jose DeSanta and he's actually 26 and stole some dudes birth certificate? Make it make sense.

 

It can be tough to hold hitters on your major league roster. You can’t stash them at the end of a bullpen. So they are banking on other teams thinking hes too far away I think.

 

Also, we are at 40 so if they project say 2 free agents, maybe capra and lukes get cut then.

Key22 Draft Eligible

Key22

Verified Member
Posted
Posted
Why not just release Ryu to create an extra spot on the 40-man? Ryu is unlikely to return before the all-star break and probably won't be all that effective when he does return. Unless the Jays have to keep him for insurance payout purposes I don't see why you would hold onto him.
Stangstag Toronto Blue Jays

Stangstag

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
Why not just release Ryu to create an extra spot on the 40-man? Ryu is unlikely to return before the all-star break and probably won't be all that effective when he does return. Unless the Jays have to keep him for insurance payout purposes I don't see why you would hold onto him.

 

Optics

Spanky99 GOAT

Spanky99

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
Does anyone actually care about how his dad is? Doesn't impact my thoughts, or anyone I knows thoughts, on him as a player.

 

He's trolling, mate. It's tiresome.

InsideThePark College Ball

InsideThePark

Verified Member
Posted
Posted
It's really dumb that IFA players only get 4 years prior to be rule 5 eligible. College players sign around 21 years old and get 3(until age 24). HS players sign around 18 years old and get 4 years(until around age 22). IFA players usually sign at 16 and also get 4 years so they're eligible at 20 years old. How many IFA guys are ready by then? It's extremely rare. Not to mention the pandemic that delayed development from the 2017-2019 IFA classes. IFA players signed before age 18 should get 5 years before they're rule 5 eligible.
Spanky99 GOAT

Spanky99

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
It's really dumb that IFA players only get 4 years prior to be rule 5 eligible. College players sign around 21 years old and get 3(until age 24). HS players sign around 18 years old and get 4 years(until around age 22). IFA players usually sign at 16 and also get 4 years so they're eligible at 20 years old. How many IFA guys are ready by then? It's extremely rare. Not to mention the pandemic that delayed development from the 2017-2019 IFA classes. IFA players signed before age 18 should get 5 years before they're rule 5 eligible.

 

That's the risk for the team, and restriction against punishing them players? I don't get the problem.

InsideThePark College Ball

InsideThePark

Verified Member
Posted
Posted
That's the risk for the team, and restriction against punishing them players? I don't get the problem.

 

MLB gives HS players 1 more year before rule 5 eligibility than college players because obvious it's going to take a 21 year old college draftee less time to develop than a 18 year old HS draftee. Wouldn't the same logic apply when you're looking at 16 year old IFA signee versus a HS draftee? 80% of IFA players signed at 16 years old are in A+ or lower at 20 years old. HS draftees that age are still 2 years away from eligibility. College players are 4 years away and not even drafted yet. Teams are having to make decisions that cost actual MLB depth players a job because teams can't afford to lose their 2 million dollar prospect who's still in A ball. This isn't good for the teams, and it shouldn't be great for the PA either as guys are losing jobs in favour of prospects. The rule 5 was put in place to prevent hoarding MLB ready talent. That doesn't apply to 20 year old prospects in A ball so why are they eligible? What's the issue with 3 years for college, 4 for HS, 5 for IFA?

InsideThePark College Ball

InsideThePark

Verified Member
Posted
Posted
What do you suggest, the IFA players get huge money at 16, and there's no gun at their head?

 

I literally said what I suggest, they get 1 more year of rule 5 eligibility? Leo Jimenez shouldn't have been eligible until this year. Gabby and Orelvis Martinez not eligible until next?

 

Should HS players be eligible 3 years after their draft because college players are?

Spanky99 GOAT

Spanky99

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
I don't even understand what you're trying to say punishing them players? Gun to their head? What do you mean. Stop talking in code and just come out with it already.

 

Yo... I don't type out the CBA man, lol. Gun at their head is in reference to a rule 5 flip, or what they usually drop to in obscurity. Who really f***ing cares, that's the risk?

Daniel Labude Toronto Blue Jays

Daniel Labude

Jays Centre Contributor
Posted
Posted
Why not just release Ryu to create an extra spot on the 40-man? Ryu is unlikely to return before the all-star break and probably won't be all that effective when he does return. Unless the Jays have to keep him for insurance payout purposes I don't see why you would hold onto him.

 

Insurance money

wamco Draft Eligible

wamco

Verified Member
Posted
Posted
I think one of Espinal, Whit, Biggio will be traded.

 

Barger projects too well to keep him down all year. It's hard to imagine fitting all four of those guys onto the roster at once... unless Gurriel is gone and Whit is being considered a full time outfielder (which would be gross if true).

 

For obvious reasons I think they try to flip Whit first.

 

Injuries take care of these things typically. No harm in barger being in aaa until the all star break as worst case scenario.

The Cats Ass Buffalo Bisons

The Cats Ass

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
Adrian Hernandez isn't on 40 either, hmmm... considering we need swing/miss pitchers and all, odd choice

 

He also got hit around quite a bit. I don't think his K-rate translates, and seems like the Jays don't either. His only swing and miss pitch is a changeup that works like a screw ball. It works in the minors because there's not tons of scouting video, he'd get killed in the majors. Seems like even the minor leaguers caught on, the last 2 months of the season he put up a 7.23 ERA.

max silver FCL Blue Jays

max silver

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
RIP Tapia, the 4 million in savings from the Grichuk contract was your only purpose with this team.

 

The Pinto return was the real key to this trade. The Jays sent something like $5 million cash to the Rockies so it was basically salary neutral.

Laika Cooperstown

Laika

Community Moderator
Posted
Posted
The Pinto return was the real key to this trade. The Jays sent something like $5 million cash to the Rockies so it was basically salary neutral.

 

it was salary neutral last year

but they turned SOME 2023 guaranteed money into non-guaranteed money

 

they basically

 

- saved like $5M in 2023

- got Pinto

- turned a negative WAR player in 2022 into a replacement level player (now that the season is done we can say it was a 0.5 WAR upgrade lmao)

Captain_Obvious College Ball

Captain_Obvious

Verified Member
Posted
Posted
it was salary neutral last year

but they turned SOME 2023 guaranteed money into non-guaranteed money

 

they basically

 

- saved like $5M in 2023

- got Pinto

- turned a negative WAR player in 2022 into a replacement level player (now that the season is done we can say it was a 0.5 WAR upgrade lmao)

 

They saved $10M in 2023. Why do you think it is $5M?

wilko Dunedin Blue Jays

wilko

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
The Pinto return was the real key to this trade. The Jays sent something like $5 million cash to the Rockies so it was basically salary neutral.

 

Pinto's gonna mash!

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing
The Jays Centre Caretaker Fund
The Jays Centre Caretaker Fund

You all care about this site. The next step is caring for it. We’re asking you to caretake this site so it can remain the premier Blue Jays community on the internet.

Become a Caretaker

  • Member Statistics

    20,999
    Total Members
    48,845
    Most Online
    Rustanger
    Newest Member
    Rustanger
    Joined
×
×
  • Create New...