General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2022)

[Omar]

I thought they had to be on the roster by September 1st or something. Maybe that was players being traded through waiver claims and such. A flame throwing Nate Pearson could absolutely be a difference maker in the playoffs. That's exciting.

 

I thought after August 31 he would only be eligible IF he is replacing someone who was on the 40 man roster who is on the IL.

[Spanky99]

I thought they had to be on the roster by September 1st or something. Maybe that was players being traded through waiver claims and such. A flame throwing Nate Pearson could absolutely be a difference maker in the playoffs. That's exciting.

 

Yeah, that all changed in the new CBA. No more AUG. 31st waiver trade deadline. Anyone on the 40's eligible.

[Laika]

In a typical season, any player who is on the 40-man roster or 60-day injured list as of 11:59 p.m. ET on Aug. 31 is eligible for the postseason.

 

Those on the restricted list at that point are also eligible if they haven't been suspended for performance-enhancing drugs during that season. (All players who have served a suspension for PEDs in a given season are ineligible for postseason play that year.)

 

A player who doesn't meet said criteria for postseason eligibility can still be added to a team's roster in the postseason via petition to the Commissioner's Office if the player was in the organization on Aug. 31 and is replacing someone who is on the injured list and has served the minimum amount of time required for activation. (For example, a player on the 10-day injured list who has been on it for at least 10 days, or a player who has been on the 60-day injured list for at least 60 days.) Players who are acquired in September or after are ineligible.

[G-Snarls]

Pearson over one of our many redundant fast outfielders who can't hit

[G-Snarls]

Unless Gurriel is going to miss time I suppose...

[Spanky99]

In a typical season, any player who is on the 40-man roster or 60-day injured list as of 11:59 p.m. ET on Aug. 31 is eligible for the postseason.

 

Those on the restricted list at that point are also eligible if they haven't been suspended for performance-enhancing drugs during that season. (All players who have served a suspension for PEDs in a given season are ineligible for postseason play that year.)

 

A player who doesn't meet said criteria for postseason eligibility can still be added to a team's roster in the postseason via petition to the Commissioner's Office if the player was in the organization on Aug. 31 and is replacing someone who is on the injured list and has served the minimum amount of time required for activation. (For example, a player on the 10-day injured list who has been on it for at least 10 days, or a player who has been on the 60-day injured list for at least 60 days.) Players who are acquired in September or after are ineligible.

 

That's old, no?

[Laika]

That's old, no?

 

you're old

[Spanky99]

you're old

 

yer dumn... lol

[wilko]

[Deadpool]

In a typical season, any player who is on the 40-man roster or 60-day injured list as of 11:59 p.m. ET on Aug. 31 is eligible for the postseason.

 

Those on the restricted list at that point are also eligible if they haven't been suspended for performance-enhancing drugs during that season. (All players who have served a suspension for PEDs in a given season are ineligible for postseason play that year.)

 

A player who doesn't meet said criteria for postseason eligibility can still be added to a team's roster in the postseason via petition to the Commissioner's Office if the player was in the organization on Aug. 31 and is replacing someone who is on the injured list and has served the minimum amount of time required for activation. (For example, a player on the 10-day injured list who has been on it for at least 10 days, or a player who has been on the 60-day injured list for at least 60 days.) Players who are acquired in September or after are ineligible.

 

How does this impact players who were busted this season, but whose suspensions go into next season? Asking for the Padres...

[Laika]

How does this impact players who were busted this season, but whose suspensions go into next season? Asking for the Padres...

 

Tatis will be eligible for 2023 postseason

 

I think

[max silver]

Pearson over one of our many redundant fast outfielders who can't hit

 

Can't do that due to roster limits on total number of pitchers.

[G-Snarls]

Can't do that due to roster limits on total number of pitchers.

 

Gaddammit

[Omar]

 

I remember this. Thank God Bobby the Brain Heenan was able to revive Andre.

[wilko]

I remember this. Thank God Bobby the Brain Heenan was able to revive Andre.

 

Poor Bobby.

 

[Brownie19]

Andre was a f***ing gem. RIP big man.

[jerb]

[Grant77]

Former umpire Dale Scott was on Blair & Barker today and had an interesting take on the Kirk plate blocking call. He says the umpires on the field are pretty much told to ignore the rule and focus on the tag. He also said that the rules are drafted by attorneys and not subject to input from umpires. He didn't see any plate blocking and couldn't understand the call at all.

[Stangstag]

Former umpire Dale Scott was on Blair & Barker today and had an interesting take on the Kirk plate blocking call. He says the umpires on the field are pretty much told to ignore the rule and focus on the tag. He also said that the rules are drafted by attorneys and not subject to input from umpires. He didn't see any plate blocking and couldn't understand the call at all.

 

So who makes the call in New York then? Or are Umpires just not in agreement on the rule

[Grant77]

So who makes the call in New York then? Or are Umpires just not in agreement on the rule

 

My understanding is that umpires in New York are making calls based on rules drafted by attorneys, which Scott thinks are difficult to apply in real baseball and should instead be written by umpires.

 

Everyone baseball person or expert seems to agree that we don't want calls like this in baseball and that the Kirk example is easily the most extreme call we have seen so far under this rule. Simply stepping on the plate while the runner is half way from third does not constitute blocking in any way, shape, or form and doesn't violate the spirit of the rule. MLB has some work to do. It would be the worst call in postseason history by a mile if that happened in the World Series.

[bones10]

 

call him up, Pearson, Merryweather kikuchi/white can be our combined 5th starter.

[G-Snarls]

call him up, Pearson, Merryweather kikuchi/white can be our combined 5th starter.

 

[Spanky99]

Legend... he's such a good follow...

 

[Spanky99]

See... Gibby follows my suit... Big Man!!!

 

[Brownie19]

My understanding is that umpires in New York are making calls based on rules drafted by attorneys, which Scott thinks are difficult to apply in real baseball and should instead be written by umpires.

 

Everyone baseball person or expert seems to agree that we don't want calls like this in baseball and that the Kirk example is easily the most extreme call we have seen so far under this rule. Simply stepping on the plate while the runner is half way from third does not constitute blocking in any way, shape, or form and doesn't violate the spirit of the rule. MLB has some work to do. It would be the worst call in postseason history by a mile if that happened in the World Series.

 

This is spot on - and it really is an easy fix. You can't block the plate. Period. Stand wherever the f*** you want, but if your body interferes with the runner, then he's safe. (you also can't block any other base).

 

 

 

With that said - on a throw from the OFer to a base that ends up in the base path - who has the right of way? Does the runner have to allow the fielder to catch the ball? or does the fielder have to give the base path to the runner? I think it's the later right? The runner often can't see the throw.

 

It's obviously the reverse on a ground ball hit in the infield.

[Spanky99]

This is spot on - and it really is an easy fix. You can't block the plate. Period. Stand wherever the f*** you want, but if your body interferes with the runner, then he's safe. (you also can't block any other base).

 

 

 

With that said - on a throw from the OFer to a base that ends up in the base path - who has the right of way? Does the runner have to allow the fielder to catch the ball? or does the fielder have to give the base path to the runner? I think it's the later right? The runner often can't see the throw.

 

It's obviously the reverse on a ground ball hit in the infield.

 

Remember when Kelly Gruber used to completely block the bag at 3rd base on a steal, lol. He wouldn't do it often but always in a big spot.

[Grant77]

We've seen runners called out when a catcher blocks the plate in the process of fielding the ball and there has been relatively little controversy. I think that part of the rule can be left at the umpire's discretion, but I'm open to other solutions.

[Stangstag]

Remember when Kelly Gruber used to completely block the bag at 3rd base on a steal, lol. He wouldn't do it often but always in a big spot.

 

Donaldson is notorious for doing this too, he kneels in front of the bag to block it. I don’t think he’s ever been penalized

[Brownie19]

Donaldson is notorious for doing this too, he kneels in front of the bag to block it. I don’t think he’s ever been penalized

 

I think they need to remove that from the game. The fielder shouldn't be able to do this. In an important game, what stops the 3rd baseman from taking it 1 step further and putting both knees and his upper body in front of 3rd? Or a catcher sitting on the plate like that guy did this year in the minors? Sure the runner can spike the f*** out of him, but if it's in Game 7 of the WS, then the 3rd baseman is likely to be willing to pay the price.

 

It's dumb - runner needs full access to the bag. Tag him properly.

[Grant77]

Donaldson is notorious for doing this too, he kneels in front of the bag to block it. I don’t think he’s ever been penalized

 

Is it actually against the rules?