General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2022)

[BigCecil]

Actually, I just assume these people are dumn, and only watch the Jays. lol... I mean, you're going to lose a lot of games, the reactions are absurd.

 

Any way you slice it, it all boils down to W's over 162.

 

PITT can sweep LAD and few bat an eye. Why? They have 92 f***ing wins. Yanks have played like s*** since AS break. They banked W's and may just turn it around and peak for the playoff run. We have been hot the last 20 gms relatively and have 75.

[Spanky99]

Any way you slice it, it all boils down to W's over 162.

 

PITT can sweep LAD and few bat an eye. Why? They have 92 f***ing wins. Yanks have played like s*** since AS break. They banked W's and may just turn it around and peak for the playoff run. We have been hot the last 20 gms relatively and have 75.

 

So what? You just answered it, over 162. I don't see your point?

[Brownie19]

Actually, I just assume these people are dumn, and only watch the Jays. lol... I mean, you're going to lose a lot of games, the reactions are absurd.

 

This is my perception was well. I don't think some fans understand just how streaky teams actually are (probably because they only follow the Jays and thus aren't exposed to all the ups and downs that other teams experience). Is there any site that tracks the variance of runs scored per game? It feels like there should be.

[jaysblue]

Any way you slice it, it all boils down to W's over 162.

 

PITT can sweep LAD and few bat an eye. Why? They have 92 f***ing wins. Yanks have played like s*** since AS break. They banked W's and may just turn it around and peak for the playoff run. We have been hot the last 20 gms relatively and have 75.

 

Hard to disagree with anything you said.

 

The difference is the Blue Jays have put themselves in this position chasing down a Wildcard spot because of their inconsistent play over the course of the season thus far. It's frustrating for sure because a lot of us expect better from this team given their solid young core and talent. When the Jays get swept by the Angels or lose two of three against a sub .500 team at this point in the season, yes that's something to get frustrated about given that they need those wins to secure a spot in the Postseason. A team like the Dodgers or Yankees already have those wins banked because they were consistent and dominant during the first half. So if the Dodgers lose two of three to the Nationals, it's not the end of the world at this point in the season. The Yankees look like they're in free fall though, which would be a historic collapse. Though still they're 5.0 games up over Tampa and 5.5 over Toronto despite their awful play.

[Spanky99]

I don't think most are freaking out. I think despite those lofty overall numbers there are some legit reasons for frustration and concern. Vlad has a 140 wRC+ which is awesome, but man the GBs and swinging at pitches out of the zone or pitchers strikes just makes you wonder how much better he could be with a little pitch selection improvement. Its all going to come down to how they match up and handle the best in the playoffs for all players/teams. Hopefully we can hit a game and have a good discussion about it this month.

 

Talking points on a hitter, is fine, I understand that... but the Jays are very good offensively, on par with any team in the league. Offense really shouldn't be a gripe. Pitching depth and the pen has held us back from sitting with the Houston Astros and NYY's of the world, that's all I'm saying. I'm not pointing at you bro, and that would be great.

[jaysblue]

So what? You just answered it, over 162. I don't see your point?

 

Some of those winnable games in April, May, June, or July would have helped right now though Jay.

 

The Blue Jays are where they're at now because they have been an inconsistent team this season. So they have to win a lot of these upcoming games and can't afford to get swept or lose two of three by a team like the Angels at this juncture in the season. Whereas if the Blue Jays had a 5 or 6 game lead in the division at this point, losing a series wouldn't hurt them as much.

[Spanky99]

Hard to disagree with anything you said.

 

The difference is the Blue Jays have put themselves in this position chasing down a Wildcard spot because of their inconsistent play over the course of the season thus far. It's frustrating for sure because a lot of us expect better from this team given their solid young core and talent. When the Jays get swept by the Angels or lose two of three against a sub .500 team at this point in the season, yes that's something to get frustrated about given that they need those wins to secure a spot in the Postseason. A team like the Dodgers or Yankees already have those wins banked because they were consistent and dominant during the first half. So if the Dodgers lose two of three to the Nationals, it's not the end of the world at this point in the season. The Yankees look like they're in free fall though, which would be a historic collapse. Though still they're 5.0 games up over Tampa and 5.5 over Toronto despite their awful play.

 

So if the Jays bank some wins down the stretch and here in the second half, what's the difference? Also, I was talking about the Jays offensively, stats don't lie? 162.

[Spanky99]

Some of those winnable games in April, May, June, or July would have helped right now though Jay.

 

The Blue Jays are where they're at now because they have been an inconsistent team this season. So they have to win a lot of these upcoming games and can't afford to get swept or lose two of three by a team like the Angels at this juncture in the season. Whereas if the Blue Jays had a 5 or 6 game lead in the division at this point, losing a series wouldn't hurt them as much.

 

Uhmm... are you serious right now?

[Spanky99]

Holy f***, I feel like you're mocking me or insulting my baseball acumen?

[Spanky99]

This is my perception was well. I don't think some fans understand just how streaky teams actually are (probably because they only follow the Jays and thus aren't exposed to all the ups and downs that other teams experience). Is there any site that tracks the variance of runs scored per game? It feels like there should be.

 

I'm sure it's tracked, I've never cared because the peak and valleys of a season is real... cream rises to the top as they say, right?

[Jimcanuck]

I can't remember a season where fans didn't lament could have, should have, would have. Nature of baseball, this season is no different.

 

Everything being complained about applies to every team in baseball.

[jaysblue]

So if the Jays bank some wins down the stretch and here in the second half, what's the difference? Also, I was talking about the Jays offensively, stats don't lie? 162.

 

Of course the Jays can bank some wins down the stretch and win 10 or 15 games in a row. At this point in the season given where the team is, there is less room for error. I think we both can agree.

[Spanky99]

I can't remember a season where fans didn't lament could have, should have, would have. Nature of baseball, this season is no different.

 

Everything being complained about applies to every team in baseball.

 

Bingo!

[jaysblue]

Uhmm... are you serious right now?

 

Jay, the Blue Jays have been inconsistent this season. It's a fact. It doesn't mean that this team is awful or anything. Never said that. Though definitely can be frustrating at times. Regardless, a lot of these upcoming games, especially against the O's and Rays, the Blue Jays need to play great ball! Taking the doubleheader yesterday was huge and lets hope they keep that momentum rolling.

 

Any hiccup though at this juncture of the season could be the difference of the Jays or another team in a similar position making or not making the Postseason. Overall, things are looking good and if they can go on a big run, the division is even within reach!

[Spanky99]

Of course the Jays can bank some wins down the stretch and win 10 or 15 games in a row. At this point in the season given where the team is, there is less room for error. I think we both can agree.

 

Dude.

[jaysblue]

I can't remember a season where fans didn't lament could have, should have, would have. Nature of baseball, this season is no different.

 

Everything being complained about applies to every team in baseball.

 

Yup, I'm sure even Cardinals fans are complaining how they lost 6-0 to the Nats last night.

[Spanky99]

Jay, the Blue Jays have been inconsistent this season. It's a fact. It doesn't mean that this team is awful or anything. Never said that. Though definitely can be frustrating at times. Regardless, a lot of these upcoming games, especially against the O's and Rays, the Blue Jays need to play great ball! Taking the doubleheader yesterday was huge and lets hope they keep that momentum rolling.

 

Any hiccup though at this juncture of the season could be the difference of the Jays or another team in a similar position making or not making the Postseason. Overall, things are looking good and if they can go on a big run, the division is even within reach!

 

You're explaining something to me, that I've f***in' known since I was 12 years old?

 

[jaysblue]

Dude.

 

Jay, if the Blue Jays lose 5 of their next 6 games at this point in the season, that's not a good thing given their position. They can't afford to. If they had a 7 or 8 game lead in the division and lost 5 of their next 6, while I would be worried and sweating, they have a bit of a cushion for error at least.

 

Right now they're playing great ball, so lets hope they keep it up!

[jaysblue]

You're explaining something to me, that I've f***in' known since I was 12 years old?

 

 

Calm down geez haha.

[glory]

Biggio's wRC+ since that date is 40 points higher than Espinal's wRC+. Espinal is +10 OAA at 2B, Biggio is +2 this year and +1 in RF. There is quite literally zero reason that Biggio shouldn't be starting every game against RHP at this point.

 

There’s been way too many times where Biggio has sat in favor of Tapia. It boggles my mind why the Jays can’t see that Tapia stinks and that Biggio’s versatility and LHB should be in the lineup as much as possible against RHP. Hopefully that changes in September.

[Spanky99]

Calm down geez haha.

 

I'm calm now that I realize you're just trolling.

[Jimcanuck]

There’s been way too many times where Biggio has sat in favor of Tapia. It boggles my mind why the Jays can’t see that Tapia stinks and that Biggio’s versatility and LHB should be in the lineup as much as possible against RHP. Hopefully that changes in September.

 

Jays analytics must have found things in Tapia's profile they liked. What stats can't take into account is the mental approach to the game. Biggio's plate approach is miles and miles ahead of Tapia.

 

And it looks like coaching Tapia hasn't borne fruit.

[TBJ12]

I'm calm now that I realize you're just trolling.

 

I don't think he's trolling. He's speaking the truth and for some reason you're taking it personally.

[Spanky99]

Holy f***, I feel like you're mocking me or insulting my baseball acumen?

 

I don't think he's trolling. He's speaking the truth and for some reason you're taking it personally.

 

Yes, I did.

[Jimcanuck]

I don't think he's trolling. He's speaking the truth and for some reason you're taking it personally.

 

Nah, its a very successful troll of Spanky

[Brownie19]

Jay, the Blue Jays have been inconsistent this season. It's a fact. It doesn't mean that this team is awful or anything. Never said that. Though definitely can be frustrating at times. Regardless, a lot of these upcoming games, especially against the O's and Rays, the Blue Jays need to play great ball! Taking the doubleheader yesterday was huge and lets hope they keep that momentum rolling.

 

Any hiccup though at this juncture of the season could be the difference of the Jays or another team in a similar position making or not making the Postseason. Overall, things are looking good and if they can go on a big run, the division is even within reach!

 

Do you know whether this is true, or is this just your perception? What is streaky? Is streaky winning 8 of 10 and then winning 2 of the next 10? Do you expect them to win 6 out of 10 consistently all year long without variation?

 

Have you looked into teams like TB, Seattle and Baltimore who are battling with the Jays and do you believe they are streaky or more consistent?

 

Interestingly enough I found the following:

 

Jays v.

 

AL East: 29-24 (.547)

AL Cent: 19-15 (.559)

AL West: 15-14 (.517)

Inter: 12-6 (.667)

Home: 38-29 (.567)

Road: 37-30 (.552)

ExInn: 7-6 (.538)

1Run: 27-17 (.614)

 

If you look at the sum of the parts, that seems pretty consistent for a team with a .560 winning %. The Jays are also 7-3 in the last 10, 14-6 in their last 20 and 17-13 in their last 30. By month the Jays are:

 

April - 14-8 (.636)

May - 14-12 (.538)

June - 15-13 (.536)

July - 14-12 (.538)

Aug/Sept - 18-14 (.563)

 

If you look at Baltimore (.532 winning %) you get this:

 

AL East: 27-31

AL Cent: 15-15

AL West: 19-10

Inter: 10-8

Home: 39-27

Road: 32-37

ExInn: 8-4

1Run: 18-21

 

sub .500 v. AL East and on the Road this year, while crushing it at home and v. the AL West. Oddly doing great in extra innings, while not so good in 1 run games. Is this streaky?

 

I think this streaky narrative is fiction. The reality of it all is that this team is probably exactly what you see today. Their a good team with a great offense that's going to win a Wild Card birth unless the Yanks continue to implode. Once in the playoffs, they'll be hard pressed to win, but stranger things have happened.

[gruber92]

Weather looking good tonight. Thank God, can't stand rainouts.

[BigCecil]

So what? You just answered it, over 162. I don't see your point?

 

I'll try and make it better. I watch a lot of ball too. Other teams. Can't get enough. The Jays near misses and flubs are heightened for many because of 1. Expectations which in part they themselves set and 2. We have 75 wins and are fighting for our lives for the final wildcard and 3. Missing the post season by 1 game last year still fresh.

 

If the Jays were atop the Division by 5 plus games like LAD or NYY for example, many fans would be much less concerned/disappointed about anomalies, like a sweep at the hands of the LAA at home, for example.

[John_Havok]

I'll try and make it better. I watch a lot of ball too. Other teams. Can't get enough. The Jays near misses and flubs are heightened for many because of 1. Expectations which in part they themselves set and 2. We have 75 wins and are fighting for our lives for the final wildcard and 3. Missing the post season by 1 game last year still fresh.

 

If the Jays were atop the Division by 5 plus games like LAD or NYY for example, many fans would be much less concerned/disappointed about anomalies, like a sweep at the hands of the LAA at home, for example.

 

It's also an anomaly to take 3 of 4 in New York followed by a sweep in Boston, and take both halves of a doubleheader, regardless of the teams involved.

 

Can't bitch about the negative anomalies without acknoweldging the positive ones.

[BigCecil]

It's also an anomaly to take 3 of 4 in New York followed by a sweep in Boston, and take both halves of a doubleheader, regardless of the teams involved.

 

Can't bitch about the negative anomalies without acknoweldging the positive ones.

 

FFS, my apologies to the positive police. We have 75 wins and are in the last wildcard spot. I expected this team to have more than lasts years 91 Wins. We are a bad stretch or a good stretch from in or out. I get it. I said we are hot the last 20 games which is acknowledging all the wins against NYY and BoSox etc etc etc. I'm not bitching. I was pointing out the LAA series as an anomaly as an example. Great, thanks for pointing out its also an anomaly to sweep the BoSox at home. I had no idea. In terms of perspective its also an anomaly to win 5 straight after that LAA series, and we are still only in the last wildcard spot.