General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2022)

[Stangstag]

 

Devers for 1.5 seasons or Vlad for 3.5 seasons…

 

This is a dumb question lol

[BigCecil]

Phelps? What is he really?

 

Seems like a smoke and mirrors high wire act of impending doom to me. Saw some analysis Laika posted last week that I think answers the question.

 

Is he someone with stuff in his arsenal that we can actually count on in playoff type leverage or is this just going to end badly?

[The Iceman]

In your opinion

Who is having a better season. Or worse if you prefer.

 

Berrios @ 5.86 era

or

Kikuchi @ 5.08 era

The ERA #s surprised me. I knew JB has been bad but didn't realize how bad.

 

And Chapmans heater has his OPS within .011 of Bo and Teoscar.

Nice run for him.

[Laika]

Phelps? What is he really?

 

Seems like a smoke and mirrors high wire act of impending doom to me. Saw some analysis Laika posted last week that I think answers the question.

 

Is he someone with stuff in his arsenal that we can actually count on in playoff type leverage or is this just going to end badly?

 

Yeah he's not a leverage reliever. He might be fine as the 6th or 7th arm in a pen.

[BigCecil]

In your opinion

Who is having a better season. Or worse if you prefer.

 

Berrios @ 5.86 era

or

Kikuchi @ 5.08 era

The ERA #s surprised me. I knew JB has been bad but didn't realize how bad.

 

And Chapmans heater has his OPS within .011 of Bo and Teoscar.

Nice run for him.

 

Berrios has been better but its only because of a couple of elite deeper starts mixed in with the stinkers. He has been dogshit and his savante page confirms it.

[Brownie19]

Yeah he's not a leverage reliever. He might be fine as the 6th or 7th arm in a pen.

 

I agree with this - although I don't think you'll have much success if he's your 7th inning guy in the playoffs.

[Brownie19]

Berrios has been better but its only because of a couple of elite deeper starts mixed in with the stinkers. He has been dogshit and his savante page confirms it.

 

Thanks BC. This prompted me to look at Berrios' savant page and I just threw up in my mouth a little. It's a f***ing horrible boys. Don't go look.

[Brownie19]

And Chapmans heater has his OPS within .011 of Bo and Teoscar.

Nice run for him.

 

Chapman's savant page suggests he's a lot closer to 2018-19 Chapman than the 2020-21 version - the actual production just seems to be lagging behind a bit. Hoping it's slowly starting to correct itself. My real question is what happened to the defense? The savant page shows his "outs above average" is only in the 27th percentile after it's been 90%+ his entire career (save the shortened 2020 season when he was coming off hip surgery). It this just an anomaly?

[Laika]

I agree with this - although I don't think you'll have much success if he's your 7th inning guy in the playoffs.

 

Yeah I don't mean 7th inning guy. I mean 7th best reliever.

[Brownie19]

Yeah I don't mean 7th inning guy. I mean 7th best reliever.

 

[Spanky99]

Thanks BC. This prompted me to look at Berrios' savant page and I just threw up in my mouth a little. It's a f***ing horrible boys. Don't go look.

 

It was posted after his start the other day... Woof!

[Rimar]

Jays need a good LH outfielder or/and 2nd baseman, a top 3 starting pitcher and a closer. For that, can give any players, except Guerrero, Bichette, Springer, Manoah, Kirk, Gausman, Romano, Orelvis, Moreno or Tiedemann. We don't really need a DH, coz we already have Kirk, Guerrero, Biggio, Hernandez, Springer who can be.

[Spanky99]

Jays need a good LH outfielder or/and 2nd baseman, a top 3 starting pitcher and a closer. For that, can give any players, except Guerrero, Bichette, Springer, Manoah, Kirk, Gausman, Romano, Orelvis, Moreno or Tiedemann. We don't really need a DH, coz we already have Kirk, Guerrero, Biggio, Hernandez, Springer who can be.

 

2nd base???

[Laika]

Jays need a good LH outfielder or/and 2nd baseman, a top 3 starting pitcher and a closer. For that, can give any players, except Guerrero, Bichette, Springer, Manoah, Kirk, Gausman, Romano, Orelvis, Moreno or Tiedemann. We don't really need a DH, coz we already have Kirk, Guerrero, Biggio, Hernandez, Springer who can be.

 

I'd definitely trade Romano, or Orelvis, or Moreno, or Tiedemann, in the right deals.

 

I'd trade Springer too but nobody would want the contract.

 

I could see selling Bo Bichette but it would be a monster trade that would never happen.

[BigCecil]

I'd definitely trade Romano, or Orelvis, or Moreno, or Tiedemann, in the right deals.

 

I'd trade Springer too but nobody would want the contract.

 

I could see selling Bo Bichette but it would be a monster trade that would never happen.

 

Interesting. I think the value of Guerrero and Bo is going to be a hugely interesting issue/question over the next couple years. Things can change some over the next 80 games but whats a reasonable AAV and term for a wild swinging barely adequate defensively SS? Its a position that usually doesn't age that well. 7/200? I have no clue. Seagar, Story, Simean, Baez deals all over the place.

 

He has some rare talents but I wouldn't want to give Bo that.

[Ehjays]

[Laika]

Interesting. I think the value of Guerrero and Bo is going to be a hugely interesting issue/question over the next couple years. Things can change some over the next 80 games but whats a reasonable AAV and term for a wild swinging barely adequate defensively SS? Its a position that usually doesn't age that well. 7/200? I have no clue. Seagar, Story, Simean, Baez deals all over the place.

 

He has some rare talents but I wouldn't want to give Bo that.

 

Bo is basically Javier Baez with one full scouting grade improvement on the hit tool + one full scouting grade subtraction on defense

[BigCecil]

Bo is basically Javier Baez with one full scouting grade improvement on the hit tool + one full scouting grade subtraction on defense

 

100% agree

[Stangstag]

I'd definitely trade Romano, or Orelvis, or Moreno, or Tiedemann, in the right deals.

 

I'd trade Springer too but nobody would want the contract.

 

I could see selling Bo Bichette but it would be a monster trade that would never happen.

 

Trade Springer?? How dare you.

 

Also I was advocating for trading Bichette in a Ramirez package last offseason and signing one of the FA shortstops… im fine with Bichette/Chapman combo though

 

Probably a bad time to trade Bichette rn

[Solaxys]

Vladdy turns down HR Derby so he can rest his wrist for the second half.

 

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Also I was advocating for trading Bichette

 

There was also some talk about possibly trading Bo + stuff for Soto if he was open.

[Stangstag]

Vladdy turns down HR Derby so he can rest his wrist for the second half.

 

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There was also some talk about possibly trading Bo + stuff for Soto if he was open.

 

I’d definitely package Bo+ for Soto if that was a possibility. Doubt Soto gets traded though

[Spanky99]

Bo is basically Javier Baez with one full scouting grade improvement on the hit tool + one full scouting grade subtraction on defense

 

That's fair.

[HERPDERP]

good interview with Manoah

https://www.complex.com/sports/blue-jays-alek-manoah-feature

[Spanky99]

Lets Get it Birds!!!

 

[Jays24]

Lets Get it Birds!!!

 

 

It hurts my heart not seeing Kirk in the lineup. I hate that Springer is made out of glass.

[G-Snarls]

My confidence in our starting rotation:

 

Manoah

 

Gausman

 

 

 

 

Stripling

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Berrios

 

Everyone else

[gruber92]

Man, you got to figure out a way to get Kirk in the line up in a big series like this. Springer you f***ing delicate little flower.

[Krylian]

It hurts my heart not seeing Kirk in the lineup. I hate that Springer is made out of glass.

 

Faberge eggs cost less than Springer. Could've gone that route.

[Eat My Shatkins]

How nice would it be if Maximo Castillo is actually good?

 

I mean, is that a crazy thought?

 

He's never been an eye popper, but he's got a 6 year track record and been steady eddy at every single level on the way up.

 

And the dude just turned 23 a month ago.

[JFD]