General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2022)

[max silver]

That’s what I’m concerned with in regards is velo being down in ideal conditions yesterday

 

That's concerning to me as well. There was a prior game where it was cold and rainy where he had similar issues but that certainly wasn't the case yesterday.

[connorp]

That's concerning to me as well. There was a prior game where it was cold and rainy where he had similar issues but that certainly wasn't the case yesterday.

 

His #1 cheerleader expressing concern. Now I’m satisfied that we aren’t sweeping his sucky-ness under the rug

[Dagagad]

Captain Kirk all of a sudden a 116 wRC+ and enhanced D value if he is needed for a deal. 8.9% K rate. Tattoo even scored 4 runs last night. Speed!

 

It’s not hard to look at Kirk if you are another team and think that he could be the 2/3 games catcher. To me, that’s a big increase in his value. Almost to the point that it’s hard to trade him lol.

[Dagagad]

I hated the berrios trade at the time (I thought it was too much value for our playoff odds + other reasons).

 

However, it’s way too early to start panicking.

[connorp]

I hated the berrios trade at the time (I thought it was too much value for our playoff odds + other reasons).

 

However, it’s way too early to start panicking.

 

It’s not so much writing off the contract as bad. It’s just being able to justifiably vent about how s***** he is right now and not having to hear what his WAR was the last few years.

[Deadpool]

I hated the berrios trade at the time (I thought it was too much value for our playoff odds + other reasons).

 

However, it’s way too early to start panicking.

 

I hated it at the time, but when he signed the extension, I liked it more.

[max silver]

His #1 cheerleader expressing concern. Now I’m satisfied that we aren’t sweeping his sucky-ness under the rug

 

Go ahead and pat yourself on the back. I choose to not panic over small sample sizes and come to sweeping conclusions that this will be the same result at the end of a long season. You are constantly grousing that Biggio is finished despite barely having any at bats, were whining about how good Grichuk was performing despite his expected stats being some of the worst of his career, etc. etc. I had simply expressed the fact that aside from one really bad start Berrios had produced results which were pretty much in line with what he had done over the course of his career.

[max silver]

I hated it at the time, but when he signed the extension, I liked it more.

 

I thought that it felt like a bit of an overpay at the time but given the trajectories of SWR and especially Martin it feels more like Atkins sold high on a few of his prospects before the bubble burst.

[connorp]

Go ahead and pat yourself on the back. I choose to not panic over small sample sizes and come to sweeping conclusions that this will be the same result at the end of a long season. You are constantly grousing that Biggio is finished despite barely having any at bats, were whining about how good Grichuk was performing despite his expected stats being some of the worst of his career, etc. etc. I had simply expressed the fact that aside from one really bad start Berrios had produced results which were pretty much in line with what he had done over the course of his career.

 

I’ve been in the Biggio bashing wagon since the beginning of last year and even a little before. As of this moment, you’re the one hanging on a sss of a couple games. As for Grichuk, even when he was s***** last year, I never called for his head. Never though of him more than a serviceable 4th OF and only pointed out one of his notorious heaters could’ve helped us a lot when we were scoring 1 or 2 runs a game and he was en fuego

[max silver]

I’ve been in the Biggio bashing wagon since the beginning of last year and even a little before. As of this moment, you’re the one hanging on a sss of a couple games. As for Grichuk, even when he was s***** last year, I never called for his head. Never though of him more than a serviceable 4th OF and only pointed out one of his notorious heaters could’ve helped us a lot when we were scoring 1 or 2 runs a game and he was en fuego

 

What small sample of games am I hanging on? I'd love some clarification there, although I suspect this is just more of you talking out of your ass like usual.

[connorp]

What small sample of games am I hanging on? I'd love some clarification there, although I suspect this is just more of you talking out of your ass like usual.

 

Biggio and his 1.200 OPS since coming off the IL or whatever it is. Heard that a bit last year as well

[max silver]

Biggio and his 1.200 OPS since coming off the IL or whatever it is. Heard that a bit last year as well

 

I didn't even mention Biggio's results since coming back up from AAA, that's you attributing statements to me that I didn't even make in this discussion. There's no doubt he didn't look great early on in the season, but I've certainly been encouraged by the quality of at bats he's bee producing since rejoining the MLB club. He's also looked pretty good defensively as well.

 

This is likely a make or break season for Cavan's future with the Blue Jays given the number of quality infield prospects in the upper levels of the minors. I tend to give him a bit of a pass for last season given how many different injuries he was dealing with throughout the year and have not been a big fan of the Keith Law driven narrative that he's not a useful major leaguer or somehow completely lost his baseball skills after suffering through an injury plagued season.

[Dagagad]

I hated it at the time, but when he signed the extension, I liked it more.

 

Yea that made it better.

 

I think at the time, I just thought that our playoff odds didn’t justify such a big trade. I thought we should have spent more prospect capital than we did earlier on relief. I think it’s obvious that I was wrong though. They missed the playoffs but they won enough to usually get in.

[Stangstag]

I hated it at the time, but when he signed the extension, I liked it more.

 

Yeah the contract isn’t bad. Well… if he pitches like this then it is.

 

But 18mil per year through age 34 is a great contract for one of the leagues most consistent/solid starting pitchers over the past 4-5 years.

[Solaxys]

More analysis of the hitting situation: https://bluejaysnation.com/2022/05/28/why-have-the-blue-jays-struggled-to-hit/

 

Though them taking so many walks in LA speaks to that they know the issue and are getting better at it.

Vlad somewhat has to get on board still but Teo was really patient yesterday.

 

Hopefully no more 5-7 pitch innings against our heart of the lineup - that is just so deflating.

Edited May 30, 2022 by Solaxys

[BigCecil]

Yeah the contract isn’t bad. Well… if he pitches like this then it is.

 

But 18mil per year through age 34 is a great contract for one of the leagues most consistent/solid starting pitchers over the past 4-5 years.

 

It is a long season and Berrios track record suggests he will figure it out. By the same token once can expect at least some regression from Manoah and Gausman.

[Solaxys]

https://www.si.com/mlb/bluejays/news/blue-jays-white-sox-restricted-list-pitchers

 

TL;DR Cease & Graveman on Restricted List; Kyle Crick called up from AAA (Cease can't be replaced due to the rules).

[Deadpool]

I feel like this is ALMOST threadworthy, but not quite...

 

[G-Snarls]

Borucki GONE

[Solaxys]

Wonder who's making the 40-man roster in his stead - lot of options

[M.E.]

I feel like this is ALMOST threadworthy, but not quite...

 

 

He'll be claimed and bounce around 3-4 organizations before he is done.

[Solaxys]

Also article about how the front office/Charlie are load managing the Jays/lineups: https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/how-the-blue-jays-approach-workload-and-rest-for-position-players-and-bullpen/

[Krylian]

He'll be claimed and bounce around 3-4 organizations before he is done.

 

He'll become an elite reliever once he gets to Oakland or Tampa.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Give the 40 man spot to Adrian Hernandez and get him up here

 

Borucki will probably figure it out eventually.

 

Has the stuff to be a high leverage lefty IMO, just not the control.

[wilko]

I feel like this is ALMOST threadworthy, but not quite...

 

 

Failed starter...failing reliver. What's next? Where was Thornton pitching? I only see 3IP in AAA so far this year.

[max silver]

I feel like this is ALMOST threadworthy, but not quite...

 

 

What Borucki was doing simply wasn't helping the ballclub in any way so it's not surprising to see him sent out. He'll be claimed almost instantly due to the quality of the stuff, it's just too bad he had no idea where the ball was going on a pitch to pitch basis. I'm not terribly excited to see Thornton come back given the more intriguing options of Hernandez and even Beasley, but at least Thornton has somewhat shown the ability to retire major league hitters.

[Slade]

Honestly expected Merryweather to get demoted too but maybe they just use him in low leverage situations, although we don't really have a lot of those.

[Dagagad]

More analysis of the hitting situation: https://bluejaysnation.com/2022/05/28/why-have-the-blue-jays-struggled-to-hit/

 

Though them taking so many walks in LA speaks to that they know the issue and are getting better at it.

Vlad somewhat has to get on board still but Teo was really patient yesterday.

 

Hopefully no more 5-7 pitch innings against our heart of the lineup - that is just so deflating.

 

I thought the hitting approach noticeably changed in the first St. Louis game and has continued since. There were so many good at bats in that game.

[max silver]

I thought the hitting approach noticeably changed in the first St. Louis game and has continued since. There were so many good at bats in that game.

 

Yeah that was my observation as well, the helpless flailing at pitches off of the plate largely seemed to stop in this game. The team wasn't rewarded with the expected results of the great at bats as St. Louis has an amazing squad of defenders, but thankfully it's as if the team flipped a switch and started having better at bats. (aside from Tapia that is, he's almost swinging at as many pitches out of the strike zone as pitches in the strike zone during the last week).

[max silver]

Honestly expected Merryweather to get demoted too but maybe they just use him in low leverage situations, although we don't really have a lot of those.

 

Hopefully the team can continue the recent offensive resurgence and allow Merryweather a chance to get into some lower pressure games. I believe he has remaining options unlike Borucki however so at least they won't lose him for nothing if he needs to be sent down unless the front office decides he's no longer worth using up a spot on the 40 man roster.