2021 Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion Thread

[BTS]

Yup. Unless they come up with an agreement tomorrow out of the blue, this lockout is going to last longer now. Even if they somehow agreed on all the topics (CBT, pre arb, etc), soon they'll have to figure out how 2022 salaries and service time will be distributed for less than 162 games. Hint: owners will want prorated salaries, players will want full salaries, and more s*** to have to work out.

 

Losing games because of the QO is insane to me. I can't even wrap my head around that.

 

It's not even the QO over the entire term of the CBA. It's one season of the QO. Under the owner proposal, they just keep the QO and scrap the international draft. Under the player proposal they scrap the QO for one year, then bring it back if (but really when) they don't agree to an international draft by November.

 

Absolute madness.

[gruber92]

f*** THE PLAYERS

 

****s

[Stangstag]

It's not even the QO over the entire term of the CBA. It's one season of the QO. Under the owner proposal, they just keep the QO and scrap the international draft. Under the player proposal they scrap the QO for one year, then bring it back if (but really when) they don't agree to an international draft by November.

 

Absolute madness.

 

Now the owners will use full 162 pay for the players as a bargaining chip to get 14 team playoffs… so predictable watch

[saskjayfan]

Now the owners will use full 162 pay for the players as a bargaining chip to get 14 team playoffsÂ… so predictable watch

 

At some point if enough games are lost there will be teams that have lost enough revenue that if they have to pay for 162 games they won't make any money and they will just say screw it. Let's not have a season. It only takes 8 teams to feel this way, that the offers are overly generous and the prospect of break even or losses aren't worth it to give in to s***** terms in their opinion.

 

It's a big game of chicken. How do you get this close and not finish the deal. Maybe they need a mediator.

[Deadpool]

I was 100% on #TeamPlayers until today, but this was honestly about as good an offer as they could have expected. I don't know where the owners could realistically move from here...

[max silver]

f*** THE PLAYERS

 

****s

 

Dude the players weren't the side that initiated a lockout and waited until the last possible moment to finally get serious about negotiating. There's plenty of blame to go around to both sides here.

[Olerud363]

I was 100% on #TeamPlayers until today, but this was honestly about as good an offer as they could have expected. I don't know where the owners could realistically move from here...

 

Next week will be big. I guess they will tweak on these offers and come up with something both sides begrudgingly agree on...

 

Then the owners will implement a 152 game season with 10 games missed pay.

 

Then the players will probably reject that and demand the 10 games pay, and then another week of games get cancelled.

 

Then how does it end if the owners won't pay the players for missed games?

 

Today might have been the end. Not to be a negative Nancy but I don't seem them agreeing on the pay for missed games, if they can't agree on the little stuff.

 

Then how does it ever come back? I guess the Union completely broken some players break ranks in 2023 maybe. I don't know.

[Jays24]

Agree with the "f*** the players" notion. To continue the lockout on such minor details at this point is pathetic. f*** them and I hope they get screwed very hard now.

[BTS]

We're still alive baby

 

[rookiefuzz]

We're still alive baby

 

 

Sweet 8lb 5 oz, infant Lord.

[TheHurl]

What is the date that would get a 130 game season in? We all know that is about when it gets signed.

[BCZ]

Time to pick a new sport gents!

[P2F]

My recommendation is to stop caring and it'll sting a whole lot less.

 

The PGA season is into its best stretch now with THE PLAYERS Championship this week and all four majors coming up in April through July.

 

It's time to get really into golf, everyone.

 

Next problem.

[GoldBull]

My recommendation is to stop caring and it'll sting a whole lot less.

 

The PGA season is into its best stretch now with THE PLAYERS Championship this week and all four majors coming up in April through July.

 

It's time to get really into golf, everyone.

 

Next problem.

 

F1 is the next best thing!

 

- Season starts in a week;

- Massive growth in NA over the past few years with Drive to Survive attracting new fans (new season out tomorrow to get you up to speed);

- Awesome coverage of the drivers and getting to know the behind the scenes rivalries;

- Early Sunday morning races great for those with kids;

- New cars this year can lead to surprises (maybe even some parity);

- Massive drama from the end of last year to carry over

 

I'm a new fan and absolutely love it now. Highly recommend.

[Spanky99]

FUUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu...

[Spanky99]

 

[gruber92]

Dude the players weren't the side that initiated a lockout and waited until the last possible moment to finally get serious about negotiating. There's plenty of blame to go around to both sides here.

 

The players should be thrilled on what they achieved moving forward as is. MLB as a whole are living in a bubble world but the players are really behaving like pompous ****s right now, zero grip on reality.

[Deadpool]

Don't the players need a 50% +1 vote to make this happen? I can't imagine that more than 14 player reps/teams would be that worried about an international draft.

 

Of course, since they're doing everything in the stupidest possible way, it's probably not a secret ballot, so everyone could be worried about pissing other players off...

[Spanky99]

Don't the players need a 50% +1 vote to make this happen? I can't imagine that more than 14 player reps/teams would be that worried about an international draft.

 

Of course, since they're doing everything in the stupidest possible way, it's probably not a secret ballot, so everyone could be worried about pissing other players off...

 

The MLB has to be 23 teams, maybe the players have a similar number, but that's just me guessing. Idk.

[glory]

Don't the players need a 50% +1 vote to make this happen? I can't imagine that more than 14 player reps/teams would be that worried about an international draft.

 

Of course, since they're doing everything in the stupidest possible way, it's probably not a secret ballot, so everyone could be worried about pissing other players off...

 

As long as Tony Clark is involved, "stupidest possible way" is a given for any decision the MLBPA makes.

[Stangstag]

As long as Tony Clark is involved, "stupidest possible way" is a given for any decision the MLBPA makes.

 

Alright, each of you come up here on the podium and raise your left hand for yes or right hand for no.

[jerb]

 

Jeff Passan

@JeffPassan

 

There is an agreement on the international draft, a source tells ESPN.

 

Jeff Passan

@JeffPassan

 

MLB and the MLBPA agreed that they have until July 25 to reach a deal on an international draft that would start in 2024, a source tells ESPN. If a deal is reached, the qualifying offer will vanish. If no deal, the QO will return and the international system will remain the same.

[jerb]

 

Ben Nicholson-Smith

@bnicholsonsmith

 

Now, MLBPA is awaiting a full counter from MLB.

 

Players made full proposal at 1pm yesterday per PA.

[jerb]

 

Jon Morosi

@jonmorosi

 

Free agency could open by *tonight* if there is a CBA agreement today, Tom Verducci just reported on @MLBNetwork.

[Stangstag]

Damn sounds like we’re actually close here.

 

I won’t have to watch Golf or F1!

[Sammy225]

I don't believe in coincidence but i like the fact that Old Jeff Passan got hacked on the day there could be a deal done is just fantastic. Lets get a f***ing deal done i need Baseball and Freddy Freeman in my life.

[Ehjays]

[Spanky99]

I don't believe in coincidence but i like the fact that Old Jeff Passan got hacked on the day there could be a deal done is just fantastic. Lets get a f***ing deal done i need Baseball and Freddy Freeman in my life.

 

Hah... figures. I thought that was real.

[Spanky99]

 

Who is this guy, lol???

[Laika]

it's bill madden duh