2021 Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion Thread

[saskjayfan]

You don't have a luxury tax if there is no season.

 

Fair point. I think June is the optimistic start date. A lost season is entirely possible.

[Brownie19]

I don't know what this really means, but I'm posting it

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10026155-report-mlb-stops-testing-for-steroids-after-drug-agreement-with-players-expires

[Jimcanuck]

While I'm not a big fan of mediation, there is no downside to it for either side. Not understanding the player's stance.

[RustyTrombone]

I don't know what this really means, but I'm posting it

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10026155-report-mlb-stops-testing-for-steroids-after-drug-agreement-with-players-expires

 

When the new CBA gets done testing will 1000% be a part of it. But for now there is no testing. So if a player wanted to he could do a few cycles, gain the benefits over the course of a few months, assuming he started right as the CBA expired back in December, and then have it completely out of his system by the time the new CBA is signed and testing is happening again. Im gonna guess quite a lot of guys did this, especially the fringe major leaguers.

[Abomination]

When the new CBA gets done testing will 1000% be a part of it. But for now there is no testing. So if a player wanted to he could do a few cycles, gain the benefits over the course of a few months, assuming he started right as the CBA expired back in December, and then have it completely out of his system by the time the new CBA is signed and testing is happening again. Im gonna guess quite a lot of guys did this, especially the fringe major leaguers.

 

 

Maybe, but it would be a pretty big gamble as an agreement theoretically could have happened quickly (you know, if idiots weren't in charge of both sides). I would guess most of the guys likely to attempt it would be ones needing to recover from bad injuries.

[Ehjays]

When the new CBA gets done testing will 1000% be a part of it. But for now there is no testing. So if a player wanted to he could do a few cycles, gain the benefits over the course of a few months, assuming he started right as the CBA expired back in December, and then have it completely out of his system by the time the new CBA is signed and testing is happening again. Im gonna guess quite a lot of guys did this, especially the fringe major leaguers.

 

 

Yeah, they're still testing in the minors though as 5 MILB guys were caught the other day, one was Dalton Pompeys brother. I think thats his second time caught.

 

 

[RustyTrombone]

Yeah, they're still testing in the minors though as 5 MILB guys were caught the other day, one was Dalton Pompeys brother. I think thats his second time caught.

 

 

 

Drug of abuse for Pompey so probably just weed. Stupid how they still test for that in the MILB while in the MLB they dont test for any recreational drugs.

[John_Havok]

Hey, you learn something new everyday. I was not aware it was the owners who had originally pushed for arbitration, and it used to start after 2 years, with no limits on how often if could be gone through.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-lockout-examining-baseballs-precedent-for-arbitration-eligibility-after-two-years/?fbclid=IwAR1lyjOCc0ruztSmMzGLqbViJ6fuIYcqHtr6j2jeyZLUIdYTUwS90N6TgtQ

[Abomination]

Hey, you learn something new everyday. I was not aware it was the owners who had originally pushed for arbitration, and it used to start after 2 years, with no limits on how often if could be gone through.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-lockout-examining-baseballs-precedent-for-arbitration-eligibility-after-two-years/?fbclid=IwAR1lyjOCc0ruztSmMzGLqbViJ6fuIYcqHtr6j2jeyZLUIdYTUwS90N6TgtQ

 

I wonder if the players would go back to that structure (ie, ALSO keeping the unlimited aspect of it). I feel like that's a rather important part as well. I suspect they probably wouldn't.

[King]

Drug of abuse for Pompey so probably just weed. Stupid how they still test for that in the MILB while in the MLB they dont test for any recreational drugs.

They got rid of weed as drug of abuse for minor leaguers a long time ago.

 

Marijuana use no longer banned for Minor League Baseball players | Las Vegas Review-Journal (reviewjournal.com)

 

It's likely coke.

[Spanky99]

They got rid of weed as drug of abuse for minor leaguers a long time ago.

 

Marijuana use no longer banned for Minor League Baseball players | Las Vegas Review-Journal (reviewjournal.com)

 

It's likely coke.

 

Interesting, I hadn't known about the former.

[The_DH]

Interesting, I hadn't known about the former.

 

Isn't this the younger brother of former Jay Dalton Pompey?

[Spanky99]

Isn't this the younger brother of former Jay Dalton Pompey?

 

Yes.

[The_DH]

Yes.

 

I remember when he was finishing school that we should try to get him, then I thought about Pompey concussions. Oh well.

[jerb]

 

Jon Heyman

@JonHeyman

 

MLB is planning to make a new proposal following the owners meeting which ends tomorrow. It is expected to involve core economic issues, and hope remains that it could trigger something to get a deal done on time for the regular season to begin as scheduled, or close.

 

Jon Heyman

@JonHeyman

 

MLB and the players union are to meet Saturday so presumably the new MLB proposal will be unveiled then

[John_Havok]

 

Jon Heyman

@JonHeyman

 

MLB is planning to make a new proposal following the owners meeting which ends tomorrow. It is expected to involve core economic issues, and hope remains that it could trigger something to get a deal done on time for the regular season to begin as scheduled, or close.

 

Jon Heyman

@JonHeyman

 

MLB and the players union are to meet Saturday so presumably the new MLB proposal will be unveiled then

 

Summary of the owners new offer:

 

We’ll fill all the Coke machines, for free.

 

Deal?

[JaysAllMighty]

Summary of the owners new offer:

 

We’ll fill all the Coke machines, for free.

 

Deal?

 

Players must stop their greed. Bunch of spoiled millionaire brats.

[Spanky99]

Players must stop their greed. Bunch of spoiled millionaire brats.

 

And the owners, greed? Bunch of spoiled billionaire brats.

[Jimcanuck]

Even with 200,000 cases a day and 1000-2000 deaths per day, most parts of the the US are dismantling restrictions.

 

Unlikely the pandemic is a consideration of the owners at this point.

[glory]

Unlikely the pandemic is a consideration of the owners at this point.

 

Yeah I think the only MLB market with any real restriction is Toronto. Owners would be making money in ST and regular season mostly like normal, I would imagine. I guess the owners are ready to take that hit.

[Deadpool]

[Spanky99]

 

Yeah, that drove me to hell and back crazy, the bastards.

 

Also, this dude is PIST!!! He must be one of the reps on the Union team.

[jerb]

 

Talkin’ Baseball

@TalkinBaseball_

 

Robert Manfred announced that MLB has agreed to a draft lottery and a universal DH

 

Talkin’ Baseball

@TalkinBaseball_

 

Robert Manfred is optimistic that the regular season will begin on time

[Ehjays]

[Brownie19]

I mean you're probably right - but shouldn't the response look at the average return for all MLB teams over some random duration? Cherry picking 1 team for 1 duration is weak.

[Krylian]

I mean you're probably right - but shouldn't the response look at the average return for all MLB teams over some random duration? Cherry picking 1 team for 1 duration is weak.

 

I'd be curious to see the franchise values year over year.

[Dick_Pole]

That's an incredibly stupid argument, even if it was true. Billionaires don't put ALL of their money into the stock market. They put it into alternative assets to stocks like art. And some of them baseball teams. They even accept lower rates of returns in exchange for diversification of asset classes to guarantee a minimum level of wealth.

[John_Havok]

I mean you're probably right - but shouldn't the response look at the average return for all MLB teams over some random duration? Cherry picking 1 team for 1 duration is weak.

 

AVERAGE: In 2000, the average value of an MLB team was $238 million. In 2019, the average value is $1.735 billion. This is an increase of $1.4097 billion (728%).

 

Even cherry picking what's probably the lowest valued teams (Tampa, Oakland, Pittsburgh, Cinci)... They all show pretty nice valuation increases:

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/194639/mlb-franchise-value-of-the-tampa-bay-rays-since-2006/

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/194631/mlb-franchise-value-of-the-pittsburgh-pirates-since-2006/

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/194629/mlb-franchise-value-of-the-oakland-athletics-since-2006/

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/194607/mlb-franchise-value-of-the-cincinnati-reds-since-2006/

 

 

For the big boys:

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/194628/mlb-franchise-value-of-the-new-york-yankees-since-2006/

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/194621/mlb-franchise-value-of-the-los-angeles-dodgers-since-2006/

 

 

And Toronto

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/194642/mlb-franchise-value-of-the-toronto-blue-jays-since-2006/

[Brownie19]

I'm obviously not surprised, but CubFanMike's response was pretty stupid - yours is superior.

[John_Havok]

Players must stop their greed. Bunch of spoiled millionaire brats.

 

It's greed to ask for a pay increase while the value of the product they are providing also increases?

 

I mean.... the nerve!!!