MLB proposes salary minimum of $100 million

[RobinThicc]

 

Essentially owners want a soft cap and are offering a salary minimum to get it.

[Stangstag]

Hmmm don’t know how to feel about this

[Abomination]

 

Essentially owners want a soft cap and are offering a salary minimum to get it.

 

 

Yep, there's gonna be a strike.

[Sorrow]

I'm pro a floor but the $180 cap is too low. Should maintain the $210 it is today or raise it to $225 and increase the penalty for exceeding it with a limit on how many seasons it can be exceeded.

[glory]

Yep, there's gonna be a strike.

 

I don't see the players agreeing to this as constructed, but how does it make a strike more likely? A salary floor seems like a nice starting point in negotiations. Owners are treating the current CBT as a soft cap anyway. A bigger issue is in a non salary cap league, teams don't have to spend if they don't want to. A floor changes that. They'd have to bring the $180M figure way up before the MLBPA takes it seriously, though.

[BlueRocky]

Yep, there's gonna be a strike.

 

See you guys 2023

[connorp]

I'm pro a floor but the $180 cap is too low. Should maintain the $210 it is today or raise it to $225 and increase the penalty for exceeding it with a limit on how many seasons it can be exceeded.

 

Yeah I’d see it as constructive. It’s an opening offer and a floor is something. Not sure if it’s $100m, like total, including benefits and all that; prob.

 

Hello Las Vegas Rays?… but seriously with a few tweaks it’s some kind of concession

[Jimcanuck]

Opening posture..... owners will settle for 120 and 230 or something, probably

[Abomination]

Opening posture..... owners will settle for 120 and 230 or something, probably

 

They'd probably be better off attaching the salary cap to draft picks rather than a strict cash penalty. Make the soft cap 200M, and every 10M over that you lose a draft pick, starting with #10 or something. That would get painful very quickly, but would still allow short-term spending sprees.

[Grant77]

So MLB is just going to give like 40 million to s***** franchises like Tampa to spend as they please? No thanks.

[The Cats Ass]

You'd think players would be alright with this. All teams under 100M would have to spend an extra 294M collectively to get up to the floor. Teams over the 180M ceiling are spending 147M over collectively. So even if all the teams over decide to cut down to the 180M there's still an net of 147M going to the players. So there's twice as much money under the 100M than there is over the 180M mark.

[Laika]

You'd think players would be alright with this. All teams under 100M would have to spend an extra 294M collectively to get up to the floor. Teams over the 180M ceiling are spending 147M over collectively. So even if all the teams over decide to cut down to the 180M there's still an net of 147M going to the players. So there's twice as much money under the 100M than there is over the 180M mark.

 

Interesting. Thanks, cat butthole

[saskjayfan]

You'd think players would be alright with this. All teams under 100M would have to spend an extra 294M collectively to get up to the floor. Teams over the 180M ceiling are spending 147M over collectively. So even if all the teams over decide to cut down to the 180M there's still an net of 147M going to the players. So there's twice as much money under the 100M than there is over the 180M mark.

 

The tax from 180 to 210 costs teams an extra 7.5 mil. Beyond that it costs them a little bit more in tax. If the Dodgers payroll of 300 mil was 320 mil, does it stop them spending the money? Probably not. That extra 20 mil just funnels to the poor sisters of the league who have to spend more. The players would be crazy not to accept a 100 mil floor. It potentially only effects the elites of the game who might make 5 to 10% less on their 150, 200, and 300 mil + deals, while way more players who make 1, 2, 3, 5 mil a year could get 50% to 100% pay raises. The executive is mostly made up of the richest players in baseball, so this should be fun.

[AdamGreenwood]

I think the minimum salary is a good idea. There's teams like Miami who are constantly gaming the system, by keeping payrolls very low, and then receiving the various forms of compensation for being small market and low-revenue. They can have a profitable strategy while not intending to compete and drawing minimal interest from fans. A 2:1 ratio between the highest paying teams and the lowest paying teams seems about right. I like to some bullies and some underdogs, and as Tampa Bay has shows, it's quite possible to compete with lower payrolls.

[John_Havok]

If there's a hard floor, then the cap should also be a hard cap. Seems that mandating a floor of spending doesnt go hand in hand with just penalties for going over, unless the penalties are severe enough to stop teams from going over.

 

Personally, if you're going to mandate a hard floor and NOT go with a hard cap, then the penalties need to not just be dollars, they need to be penalized draft picks too.

[Omar]

Parity is a good thing; however as far as I know only about 12 teams in all of mlb have a payroll in excess of $100M. This may result in middling players get paid above their pay grade. When in doubt let the market decide not bean counters trying to "fix"the game. Edited August 20, 2021 by Omar

[Laika]

Parody is a good thing; however as far as I know only about 12 teams in all of mlb have a payroll in excess of $100M. This may result in middling players get paid above their pay grade. When in doubt let the market decide not bean counters trying to "fix"the game.

 

Let the market decide?

 

Fine. Let's remove draft slot limits entirely, actually let's just make every amateur a free agent. No draft.

 

And teams have no more cost controlled six years of a player. No salary suppression at all.

 

Make it a real free market, top to bottom. I wonder how much the players would make...

 

MLB is basically an intricate web of rules designed to suppress player salaries. The draft, international signing limits, league minimum and arbitration, luxury tax, draft pick penalties for free agent signings, legislation around minor league salaries... the game is rigged.

 

Let the market decide he says.

[John_Havok]

Parody is a good thing

 

Agreed. “Weird” Al Yankovic is one of the best to ever do it.

[Krylian]

Agreed. “Weird” Al Yankovic is one of the best to ever do it.

 

Smells like Nirvana

[John_Havok]

Smells like Nirvana

 

Saw him in concert in Saskatoon when Amish Paradise came out. The man is a genius.

[Abomination]

Saw him in concert in Saskatoon when Amish Paradise came out. The man is a genius.

 

We have a bunch of Amish (maybe they're strict Mennonites, not sure) in the area where I am. Every time I see them I'm tempted to play that song. Not that I would ever be rude enough to actually do it, but tempted. The music video for that song is amazing.

[John_Havok]

We have a bunch of Amish (maybe they're strict Mennonites, not sure) in the area where I am. Every time I see them I'm tempted to play that song. Not that I would ever be rude enough to actually do it, but tempted. The music video for that song is amazing.

 

They ain't really quaint, so please don't point and stare. They're just technologically impaired.

[max silver]

We have a bunch of Amish (maybe they're strict Mennonites, not sure) in the area where I am. Every time I see them I'm tempted to play that song. Not that I would ever be rude enough to actually do it, but tempted. The music video for that song is amazing.

 

Would they even understand that you are playing a joke on them? I don't expect they would be familiar with Weird Al or the original song that Amish Paradise is based on, so I say play away and see what happens.

[Jimcanuck]

Would they even understand that you are playing a joke on them? I don't expect they would be familiar with Weird Al or the original song that Amish Paradise is based on, so I say play away and see what happens.

 

Things have been changing. A lot of Amish/Mennonite have phones now. And not the rotary ones, either.

[Omar]

Let the market decide?

 

Fine. Let's remove draft slot limits entirely, actually let's just make every amateur a free agent. No draft.

 

And teams have no more cost controlled six years of a player. No salary suppression at all.

 

Make it a real free market, top to bottom. I wonder how much the players would make...

 

MLB is basically an intricate web of rules designed to suppress player salaries. The draft, international signing limits, league minimum and arbitration, luxury tax, draft pick penalties for free agent signings, legislation around minor league salaries... the game is rigged.

 

Let the market decide he says.

 

Strawman. As to your pedantic diatribe, I only referred to payroll not the draft, or player control, minor league salaries etc. You really are Mike Wilner.

[Omar]

Agreed. “Weird” Al Yankovic is one of the best to ever do it.

 

You got me.

[Abomination]

Things have been changing. A lot of Amish/Mennonite have phones now. And not the rotary ones, either.

 

 

It really depends. All the different groups have vastly varying rules. Some can only have a car if it's black. Some can have the internet or a phone at their main church or whatever, but only use it for doing business. Some seem to feel they're playing dangerously if their horse drawn cart has a roof.

 

The ones around here are pretty strict. It is rather funny though that when I used to see them at auctions, they would buy up all the electrical testing equipment. I never did figure out why. They sure as hell didn't have electricity.

[John_Havok]

You got me.

 

Don't sweat it, happens to the best of us.

[Laika]

Strawman. As to your pedantic diatribe, I only referred to payroll not the draft, or player control, minor league salaries etc. You really are Mike Wilner.

 

Do you know what a strawman is?

 

And I never said you referred to those things.

 

The point is that it's nothing even close to a free market. It is and ways has been a f*** the players over slowly but surely market.

[Omar]

Do you know what a strawman is?

 

And I never said you referred to those things.

 

The point is that it's nothing even close to a free market. It is and ways has been a f*** the players over slowly but surely market.

 

You replied to my post and rattled off points like a Keynesian fanatic relating to market regulation which I never mentioned as though that was my position, ending with "let the market decide he says." Yes that is a complete strawman. Get over yourself.

Edited August 21, 2021 by Omar