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2021 Toronto Blue Jays Draft Results

 

2021 Bonus Pool: $5,775,900

Total Bonus Pool (+5%): $6,064,695

[center][size=2][color="#000000"][b][color="#26C7D4"]01|Gunnar Hoglund	[/color][color="#A9A9A9"]($3,359,000)[/color]|[color="#4B0082"]$3,247,500	[/color]
[color="#26C7D4"]03|Ricky Tiedemann	[/color][color="#A9A9A9"]($0,647,300)[/color]|[color="#4B0082"]$0,644,800	[/color]
[color="#26C7D4"]04|Chad Dallas		[/color][color="#A9A9A9"]($0,473,700)[/color]|[color="#4B0082"]$0,497,500	[/color]
[color="#26C7D4"]05|Irv Carter		[/color][color="#A9A9A9"]($0,350,300)[/color]|[color="#4B0082"]$0,850,000	[/color]
[color="#26C7D4"]06|Hayden Juenger	[/color][color="#A9A9A9"]($0,268,200)[/color]|[color="#4B0082"]$0,197,500	[/color]
[color="#26C7D4"]07|Jaden Rudd[/color]		[color="#A9A9A9"]($0,209,800)[/color]|[color="#4B0082"]$0,197,500	[/color]
[color="#26C7D4"]08|Hunter Gregory	[/color][color="#A9A9A9"]($0,170,300)[/color]|[color="#4B0082"]$0,127,500	[/color]
[color="#26C7D4"]09|Conor Larkin		[/color][color="#A9A9A9"]($0,152,900)[/color]|[color="#4B0082"]$0,077,500	[/color]
[color="#26C7D4"]10|Connor Cooke		[/color][color="#A9A9A9"]($0,144,400)[/color]|[color="#4B0082"]$0,141,900	[/color]
[color="#26C7D4"]11|Trenton Wallace	[/color][color="#A9A9A9"]($0,125,000)[/color]|[color="#4B0082"]$0,172,500	[/color]
[color="#26C7D4"]12|Riley Tirotta	[/color][color="#A9A9A9"]($0,125,000)[/color]|[color="#4B0082"]$0,125,000	[/color]
[color="#26C7D4"]13|Matt Svanson		[/color][color="#A9A9A9"]($0,125,000)[/color]|[color="#4B0082"]$0,050,000	[/color]
[color="#26C7D4"]14|Damiano Palmegiani	[/color][color="#A9A9A9"]($0,125,000)[/color]|[color="#4B0082"]$0,157,500	[/color]
[color="#26C7D4"]15|Garrett Spain	[/color][color="#A9A9A9"]($0,125,000)[/color]|[color="#4B0082"]$0,125,000	[/color]
16|Micah Bucknam	[color="#A9A9A9"]($0,125,000)[/color]|[color="#4B0082"]	[/color]		
[color="#26C7D4"]17|Cooper Benson	[/color][color="#A9A9A9"]($0,125,000)[/color]|[color="#4B0082"]$0,125,000	[/color]
[color="#26C7D4"]18|Jimmy Burnette	[/color][color="#A9A9A9"]($0,125,000)[/color]|[color="#4B0082"]$0,050,000	[/color]
[color="#26C7D4"]19|Juan Gonzalez	[/color][color="#A9A9A9"]($0,125,000)[/color]|[color="#4B0082"]$0,100,000	[/color]
20|Luke Holman		[color="#A9A9A9"]($0,125,000)[/color]|[color="#4B0082"]	[/color]		

[color="#26C7D4"]FA|Harry Rutkowski	[/color][color="#A9A9A9"]($0,020,000)[/color]|[color="#4B0082"][/color]		
[color="#26C7D4"]FA|Justin Kelly		[/color][color="#A9A9A9"]($0,020,000)[/color]|[color="#4B0082"][/color]		
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Signed | Unsigned

 

Slot for Signed Picks: $5,775,900‬

Amount of Pool Used: $6,064,695

Amount of Pool Unused: -$285,800

 

Total Slot Savings So Far: -$285,800

5% Overage Allowance: $288,795

Total Overslot Available: $2,995

 

Remaining Budget (+5%): $2,995

 

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1st Rd: Gunnar Hoglund — Signed | Source

 

3rd Rd: Ricky Tiedemann — Signed | Source

 

4th Rd: Chad Dallas — Signed | Source

 

5th Rd: Irv Carter — Signed | Source

 

6th Rd: Hayden Juenger — Signed | Source

 

7th Rd: Jaden Rudd — Signed | Source

 

8th Rd: Hunter Gregory — Signed | Source

 

9th Rd: Conor Larkin — Signed | Source

 

10th Rd: Connor Cooke — Signed | Source

 

11th Rd: Trenton Wallace — Signed | Source

 

12th Rd: Riley Tirotta — Signed | Source

 

13th Rd: Matt Svanson — Signed | Source

 

15th Rd: Garrett Spain — Signed | Source

 

18th Rd: Jimmy Burnette — Signed | Source

 

19th Rd: Juan Gonzalez — Signed | Source

 

UFA: Harry Rutkowski — Signed | Source

 

UFA: Justin Kelly — Signed | Source

 

 

 

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Martin signed for more than our entire bonus pool this year including the +5%. Adding 11-20 money is still probably less than 7M
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5% of our pool is $288,795 isn't it? It's only an extra 11k, but every dollar counts, just ask Luke Holman

 

Yup! I made a typo on that line but the total amount was still correct.

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Damiano Palmegiani's Power Could Lead Him To Next Level

 

Damiano Palmegiani

(Courtesy Damiano Palmegiani)

By Alexis Brudnicki on May 6, 2021

Damiano Palmegiani has always had quick hands.

 

The hands, the grip strength, and the forearms played into his bat speed and translated to raw power, but the 21-year-old Venezuelan-born, Canadian-raised third baseman has only just begun to be able to harness that power. Now, he’s among the nation’s leaders in home runs with 19 in 51 games for the College of Southern Nevada, and the power looks like it could be a tool that could carry Palmegiani to the next level.

 

“Maturity helped it develop,” Palmegiani said, running through a scouting report on himself using a form previously utilized by Major League Baseball’s scouting bureau. “Ever since I first started playing baseball, my hands were the first thing everybody noticed in my swing, like, ‘You have plus, plus bat speed.’ I’ve always had it there so even when I was younger, in high school, when I was lighter, 175 to 180, I still had a really quick bat that would develop a ton of power, for a kid who wouldn’t look like it.

 

“But the issue was that I would try to create too much power and pull off, not let the barrel work in the zone for too long. Then the last two years I hammered down on simplifying and letting my swing play for itself. I’ve also ended up getting stronger and a little heavier, and that’s allowed my bat speed to really work. I realize that I don’t need to try too hard because when I get a pitch on the barrel with how quick my hands are, that’s going to generate the ball to fly off the bat.”

 

 

 

Though Palmegiani graded out his power as his best current tool, he bumped the future grades for his hit tool and his defense to match, with his sights set on vast improvements over time. The biggest jump he made from present to future was in the fielding category, an area he frequently gets knocked on for not having a set position but one he feels confident about getting significantly better in.

 

“The reason for that is I consider myself an athlete first above everything,” Palmegiani said. “So when I’m out there playing defense, I can do a lot of really athletic things. I’ve made a couple plays this year, diving down the line and taking a ball full extension, getting up, throwing from the knees and stuff. It’s more athletic than routine defensive stuff. So the older I get, the more that’s going to carry, and the more reps I take and experience I get at a set position, the routine plays are going to become easier and easier. Mix that in with the athleticism, I have a lot of belief in what I can do defensively.”

 

Addressing the positional criticism, Palmegiani hopes his versatility can be deciphered to be an asset, but he understands the conversations that follow him.

 

“I’ve moved around a little bit; I’ve played third, short, second, even a little bit of first every now and then, and the outfield,” he said. “A lot of people see the athleticism and see me move around and automatically want to say outfield. Then they’ll see I can take ground balls too and they think I might stick here, but if I play third I have to hit this many homers, and if not they might want to move me to second. So that’s why there’s that conversation.

 

“I’m confident in pretty much every position. Ideally I’d like to stay at third, that’s where my game plays the most, with the athleticism and what I can do with the bat. This year is a big one for me to prove that, not just statistically but I want scouts when they show up to see a natural third baseman playing third rather than an athlete who can move into the corner outfield in the future. But I’m not stubborn about it. I know my athleticism plays and if I’m hitting, it doesn’t matter all that much where I’m contributing on the field. I just want to do a good job at it.”

 

This year, Palmegiani has primarily played the hot corner for the Coyotes, a spot where he envisions himself long term.

 

“That’s where I have the most experience throughout my playing career and that’s probably where I’m the most comfortable because of the experience,” the No. 392-ranked draft prospect said. “But I take reps at practice everywhere—shortstop, second base—so if our guys go down with injuries, I’m more than comfortable and able to move over and play some short or second. But third base is where I feel I have the most to give.”

 

Palmegiani jumped his hit tool two grades from present to future, believing there’s just a lot more in the tank. Through 51 games at Southern Nevada, he’s posted a .396/.533/.862 slash line with 13 doubles, two triples and 13 stolen bases to go along with his 62 RBIs and the long balls.

 

“I’m just getting started now, which is what really excites me,” Palmegiani said. “I’ve figured out a few little things that have really turned me around. Now I’m really figuring out how to stay consistent, seeing as much high-level pitching as I can, and I’m going to keep building up what I can do right now but also learning the game and anticipating different things that will make me better and better. There’s a ton left to learn and I know I don’t have it all figured out, but I’m definitely on the right track.”

 

Last year amid baseball’s shutdown, Palmegiani hadn’t yet found a home for the upcoming season. Back at home in Surrey, British Columbia, the 6-foot-1, 200-pound righthanded hitter would spend every day at a batting cage near his house, taking time to clear his head and his approach.

 

“If it wasn’t for that time, I wouldn’t have the clarity and focus I do this year,” he said. “It sucked, but made me realize how much I love the game … I absolutely love hitting in the cages, getting extra work, all that stuff. Not only do I do it to get better but there’s nowhere else I’d rather be in the world than in a cage with a pitching machine.

 

“When there’s a pitch that is tough for me, like maybe low and away, I crank up the machine, get it on low and away, and go at it for an hour or two until I feel like I’m fully confident and capable of getting it. I like when I notice there’s something I can’t hit because that gives me something to do for the next few hours.”

 

Among the numbers Palmegiani is putting up for the Coyotes, there are a couple that stand out amid the rest for the slugger.

 

“Definitely that my walks and hit by pitches are more than strikeouts,” he said, with 27 strikeouts, 28 walks and having been hit by 21 pitches so far this year. “Those are the only numbers I look at. I don’t really know my stats but my dad does look at them so I ask him to let me know my number of walks and strikeouts because I want the walks to be higher.”

 

He also doesn’t mind the bruises if they give him another chance to be on the basepaths.

 

“I don’t even really crowd the plate,” Palmegiani said. “I get in there but I don’t crowd the plate; I’m not trying to get hit. But I know exactly what the pitchers are trying to do, just in, soft in, in, and I think most of them have been curveballs that have gotten away from them and have hit me in the back. I’ll take it … I’ve had a lot of bruises. I’ll get out of the shower one day and think where is that from? And I’ll have three different seam marks on me somewhere, and I realize those are from the four hit by pitches I had this weekend.”

 

As the end of the season approaches and the draft draws nearer, Palmegiani is excited to continue battling it out on the field with his teammates while hoping to extend his playing time beyond the collegiate ranks this summer.

 

“I’m definitely excited for the draft,” Palmegiani said. “That’s my personal goal and I feel like I’m ready, with my ability and maturity, to hop into professional baseball. I know what it takes, and I know it’s not all sunshine and rainbows, it’s a bit of a grind, but that’s what I want so I’m really looking forward to it. I’m hoping I can prove everything I can do to get that opportunity.”

 

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https://www.readingeagle.com/sports/high-school-sports/selected-in-the-mlb-draft-wilsons-luke-holman-says-hes-ready-to-go-to-alabama/article_575b4b1e-e40d-11eb-bf9b-0b57b739b5e2.html

 

Luke Holman learned a lot over the last few days about the business of baseball, probably more than he cares to know.

 

The right-handed pitcher from Wilson was selected in the 20th and final round of the Major League Baseball draft by the Toronto Blue Jays Tuesday, not what he expected when the draft began Sunday night.

 

Now Holman, who was rated as the 172nd-best prospect available in the draft by MLB.com but was the 602nd overall pick, is prepared to honor his commitment to Alabama.

 

 

“I was hoping to play pro ball,” Holman said Tuesday evening, “but after talking with Alabama Coach (Brad) Bohannon, talking about my room, the meals, the banquet, the workout plan. SEC baseball. I’m starting to get more excited the more thinking that goes on. I’m happy with the decision.”

 

But it was anything but a happy few days for Holman.

 

Craig Holman, Luke’s father, said Monday that his son turned down offers of signing bonuses of $800,000 and $700,000 before two teams made their third-round selections.

 

Luke, a two-time All-Berks pick, said Tuesday that teams continued to talk to him through the 10th round. He said Toronto and Tampa Bay, which had the draft’s second-to-last pick, then said they’d select him in the 20th round.

 

It’s not unusual for teams to take a chance on a highly rated player with a late-round pick. If something doesn’t work out earlier in the draft, there’s a chance more money then could be available.

 

Holman acknowledged the Blue Jays want the opportunity to negotiate until he steps foot on the Alabama campus, but he said he doesn’t see them coming up with a high enough offer.

 

“Right now it’s Alabama, Alabama, Alabama,” he said. “They’d have to come up with some big numbers for me to take it and to be a Blue Jay.”

 

It’s worth noting that every pick in the first 10 rounds is assigned a slot value, ranging from $8.4 million for the No. 1 pick to $142,200 for the final pick of the 10th round.

 

All the recommended slots are combined into a team’s bonus pool, which is what a team can spend on bonuses for picks in the top 10 rounds. Any bonus greater than $125,000 for picks in the final 10 rounds are counted against that pool.

 

Teams are penalized for going over their bonus pool allocation.

 

Holman learned plenty about baseball’s draft economics.

 

It was a cold experience and forced him into making a life-changing decision in seconds.

 

“Every round was super quick,” he said. “It was kind of like a team called you up and you’re expecting them to pay you what they told you (they would before the draft) and when they say a number way below, you’re like, ‘Wow, let’s try to get in the middle of it,’ but you don’t have time.

 

“There’s no time. You can’t counter. There’s no talking back and forth. You say no and they’re onto the next kid.”

 

It has all left Holman better prepared for the next time. He was 7-1 with a 0.88 ERA and 113 strikeouts in 55.2 innings this season and led Wilson to its second straight District 3 Class 6A title and the Berks League final.

 

Now, he’s betting on himself to get even better and earn that seven-figure bonus.

 

“It’d be nice if I could do really good for three years and make it easy on myself,” he said. “It’s good to look forward. I get to go to Bama football games, basketball games, be a college student.”

 

Everything this kid and his camp says gives me the feeling he's just looking for enough money to sign. From saying he "wanted to play pro ball" to his father saying "he turned down 800k, we know we're not getting back to that 800k, I know that" if feels like they'd consider something significantly less. Sure there's all this "They’d have to come up with some big numbers for me to take it and to be a Blue Jay." but to me that wreaks of oops I showed my hand, no I do actually want to go to college and that's the plan, please believe me, also pay me.

 

However this front office seems to meticulously budget every pool dollar including the 5% overage so unfortunately we almost certainly don't have an extra 400k lying around which I feel like would probably be enough since he seems like he wants to cut his losses and qwould cash in on the 500k. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't even have an extra 10k lying around.

 

Luke also probably shouldn't have turned down the 800k offer like he expected another one to come if he wanted to play pro ball. The story about him countering the offer as if he didn't know there's no time to negotiate does make both him, and his "advisor" look quite bad. The advisor especially should know how this works. Either take it or plan to ask for more all your way into a college dorm.

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https://www.readingeagle.com/sports/high-school-sports/selected-in-the-mlb-draft-wilsons-luke-holman-says-hes-ready-to-go-to-alabama/article_575b4b1e-e40d-11eb-bf9b-0b57b739b5e2.html

 

Everything this kid and his camp says gives me the feeling he's just looking for enough money to sign. From saying he "wanted to play pro ball" to his father saying "he turned down 800k, we know we're not getting back to that 800k, I know that" if feels like they'd consider something significantly less. Sure there's all this "They’d have to come up with some big numbers for me to take it and to be a Blue Jay." but to me that wreaks of oops I showed my hand, no I do actually want to go to college and that's the plan, please believe me, also pay me.

 

However this front office seems to meticulously budget every pool dollar including the 5% overage so unfortunately we almost certainly don't have an extra 400k lying around which I feel like would probably be enough since he seems like he wants to cut his losses and qwould cash in on the 500k. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't even have an extra 10k lying around.

 

Luke also probably shouldn't have turned down the 800k offer like he expected another one to come if he wanted to play pro ball. The story about him countering the offer as if he didn't know there's no time to negotiate does make both him, and his "advisor" look quite bad. The advisor especially should know how this works. Either take it or plan to ask for more all your way into a college dorm.

 

Yeah, I agree, that was my first takeaway from his father's statements yesterday. Sounded like maybe 600K ish would be enough to sign him if the Jays could find that money throughout their pool somewhere.

 

I don't know if his statements in this article are posturing though. Could be that he's genuinely warmed up to the idea of college ball. His dad's a delusional idiot that thinks Triple A-adjacent baseball is being treated like a king so he's probably selling him on that.

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The Holman pick is probably just insurance. If Chad Dallas loses all of his toes tomorrow in a noodling accident then they could sign him for $1 and offer the savings of $473,699 to Holman
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The Holman pick is probably just insurance. If Chad Dallas loses all of his toes tomorrow in a noodling accident then they could sign him for $1 and offer the savings of $473,699 to Holman

 

I'm aware, I don't think this front office risks wasting any money anyway, I would guess it's already committed even the 5% extra so I don't think they'd even have 25k extra they could offer them if he'd sign for 150k, just saying it's too bad they don't because everything I'm reading feels like he wants to cut his losses and sign for what he can get as long as it's decently acceptable(400k+)

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I'm aware, I don't think this front office risks wasting any money anyway, I would guess it's already committed even the 5% extra so I don't think they'd even have 25k extra they could offer them if he'd sign for 150k, just saying it's too bad they don't because everything I'm reading feels like he wants to cut his losses and sign for what he can get as long as it's decently acceptable(400k+)

 

I guess there could be a surprise here. Hoglund had TJS, who knows, maybe he has already indicated he would sign for less than the slot at 19. Maybe the high school guys are not expensive and Toronto can scrape together some scratch to make a half decent offer to Holman.

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Holman is the same high ceiling High Schooler that's picked in the 11th round almost every year...and almost every year, said player doesn't sign and goes to College. I'm not going to hold out much hope here. Would be a nice story, but it's probably a 1% chance he signs.
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Holman is the same high ceiling High Schooler that's picked in the 11th round almost every year...and almost every year, said player doesn't sign and goes to College. I'm not going to hold out much hope here. Would be a nice story, but it's probably a 1% chance he signs.

 

Except they pulled it off twice in the same year with Rowdy Tellez and Jake Brentz.

 

They did it again in 2015 with Reggie Pruitt despite losing the $1.1M value slot of the 56th pick when Brady Singer didn't sign.

 

It's obviously tough but it happens and the Jays have shown the ability to do it in the past.

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Except they pulled it off twice in the same year with Rowdy Tellez and Jake Brentz.

 

They did it again in 2015 with Reggie Pruitt despite losing the $1.1M value slot of the 56th pick when Brady Singer didn't sign.

 

It's obviously tough but it happens and the Jays have shown the ability to do it in the past.

 

Because they planned on giving Bickford well over slot and then planned on giving Singer well over slot(as evidenced by the fact everyone else in rounds 1-10 came in at or under slot both years), so despite losing their slot money they had the extra money they were going to give to them to give someone else if they couldn't sign Singer/Bickford.

 

Essentially like if Irv Carter didn't sign now because of a medical issue or something they could probably sign Holman with the overslot money they plan for Carter. Essentially a backup plan. Which is what it is, but it's be nice if it was something more because his camp reads like morning regret.

 

edit: Partially related but AA was a wizard in 2013 with his "punt" picks, got a few HS guys, and a bunch of college guys all underslot Matt Boyd(75k), Kendall Graveman(5k), Connor Greene who had decent value before we flipped him I think it was the Grichuk trade, Patrick Murphy. Even Chad Girodo for 5k looked slightly intriguing for a time there before he flamed out. Jansen, Davis and Mayza too after round 10 for basically no slot money in addition to those Brentz and Tellez gets. Locastro got moved for a decent chunk of IFA money which we spent on Vladdy and kept us under the threshold for 2017 penalties which allowed us to get guys like Pardinho and Hiraldo. Dermody from the late rounds also briefly made the majors

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Because they planned on giving Bickford well over slot and then planned on giving Singer well over slot(as evidenced by the fact everyone else in rounds 1-10 came in at or under slot both years), so despite losing their slot money they had the extra money they were going to give to them to give someone else if they couldn't sign Singer/Bickford.

 

Essentially like if Irv Carter didn't sign now because of a medical issue or something they could probably sign Holman with the overslot money they plan for Carter. Essentially a backup plan. Which is what it is, but it's be nice if it was something more because his camp reads like morning regret.

 

edit: Partially related but AA was a wizard in 2013 with his "punt" picks, got a few HS guys, and a bunch of college guys all underslot Matt Boyd(75k), Kendall Graveman(5k), Connor Greene who had decent value before we flipped him I think it was the Grichuk trade, Patrick Murphy. Even Chad Girodo for 5k looked slightly intriguing for a time there before he flamed out. Jansen and Mayza too after round 10 for basically no slot money in addition to those Brentz and Tellez gets.

 

Yeah, looking at those years, AA wound up drafting better players with his punt picks than he did at the top of the draft, lmao.

 

How hilarious/tragic is it that in a draft where they picked up Jeff Hoffman, Max Pentecost and Sean Reid-Foley with their first three selections, the guy who posts the most career fWAR will probably be the $25,000 10th round punt pick, Jordan Romano?

 

Here's the signing list from that year: https://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/3057-2014-Blue-Jays-Draft-Signings-Bonuses-and-Rumors-Thread

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Except they pulled it off twice in the same year with Rowdy Tellez and Jake Brentz.

 

They did it again in 2015 with Reggie Pruitt despite losing the $1.1M value slot of the 56th pick when Brady Singer didn't sign.

 

It's obviously tough but it happens and the Jays have shown the ability to do it in the past.

 

It's possible. Hopefully we some some surprising underslot deals

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Damn, just realized my favourite prospect from their 2019 draft got released with no pro games. Nick Neal, the unit himself.
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What ever happened to Ace? He had numbers in his name. He was always super insightful and a quality contributor around the draft.

 

Still remember how much he hyped Tanner Houck as a high schooler. Jays even went on to draft him that year.

 

Shame they didn't have the money to sign him.

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It's funny how well the Blue Jays not signing players has worked for them in the past, lmao.

 

They don't sign Tyler Beede in 2011, the next year they use that pick to get Marcus Stroman.

 

They don't sign Phil Bickford in 2013, they use the saved money that year to sign Tellez and Brentz and the flexibility the next year let's them take a risk on Jeff Hoffman.

 

They don't sign Brady Singer in 2015, they wind up with two 2nd rounders in 2016 and use one to go underslot and use the savings and the other pick to sign Bo Bichette.

 

Maybe they should fail to sign players more often.

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Came here to post this. Saving even 110K here is big in a draft where they have such a small pool.

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This is awesome. The Jays are getting a guy who likely would have gone top 10 if not for the Tommy John surgery at 19, and saving over $100,000 on an underslot deal which may allow them to pull off a tough signing at other points in the draft.

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