Baseball Metrics - what do you rely on?

[Orgfiller]

Just gonna drop this here.

 

[Spanky99]

Just gonna drop this here.

 

 

Hahaha... I love this.

 

The comparison isn't fair.

Edited July 14, 2021 by Spanky99

[BigCecil]

Just gonna drop this here.

 

 

Thats awesome. Remember how often we used to hear Jack Morris had that X factor and would "pitch to the score" as a winner. In 93 he just got lit up.

[Brownie19]

Thats awesome. Remember how often we used to hear Jack Morris had that X factor and would "pitch to the score" as a winner. In 93 he just got lit up.

 

That's because our offense was so good! Jack was like "f*** it" why get people out when I can pitch to the score and give up a f*** ton of runs.

[Olerud363]

Thats awesome. Remember how often we used to hear Jack Morris had that X factor and would "pitch to the score" as a winner. In 93 he just got lit up.

 

He also struggled in the 92 playoffs.

 

Another thing about baseball Metrics is to accept that teams can win many ways and to ignore ******** about only "certain types" of teams being able to win. Someone says "homeruns don't win in the playoffs" or "you need starting pitching to win in the playoffs", or whatever, tell them to f*** themselves and quit baseball discussion.

 

Those of us old timers know this (or should) because we followed the 92/93 Jays.

 

1. Jack Morris was suppose to be "just know how to win" guy, but despite going 21-6 in the regular season he lost 3 playoff games in 1992, and would of lost another except for Roberto Alomar.

 

2. 92 Jays were 2nd in homeruns that year. "Only" 162, but this was just before the steroid era and that was a good total then. They won the ALCS by out-homering Oakland 10-4, and the World Series by out homering Atlanta 6-3.

 

3. In 93 the Jays had a mediocre starting staff, but famously the top 3 hitters in the batting race and a great bullpen. That year they got out-homered in both series, but hit above .300 as a team in playoffs and won high scoring games.

 

The great thing about analytics is it captures the different ways to win. If you create an analytically sound team that outscores it's opponents it will make the playoffs long term, in the playoffs there is a lot of luck, but different types of teams win in the playoffs, so don't listen to anyone who says 'such and such' a team can't win.

[Deadpool]

That's because our offense was so good! Jack was like "f*** it" why get people out when I can pitch to the score and give up a f*** ton of runs.

 

His follow up was "... but I should still get to be in the HoF because even though my numbers don't merit it, I did that on purpose..."

[Olerud363]

Yes I know, another "90s" Jays rant above... just couldn't resist as 92/93 Jays are such a great example of teams winning different ways. And that's what is great about analytics, captures the different ways to win overcoming our pre-conceptions.

[Olerud363]

His follow up was "... but I should still get to be in the HoF because even though my numbers don't merit it, I did that on purpose..."

 

I was a huge Juan Guzman fan, and it's hilarious that in 1992 the old "just know how to win" guy was 0-3 and put the Jays behind 5-1 or something in his other game... the wild relatively inexperienced 24 year old (with great stuff) was lights out and won them 3 games.

 

And that's exactly what analytics using k-rates and FIP, etc. would of predicted at that point in their careers.

[BigCecil]

Thats awesome. Remember how often we used to hear Jack Morris had that X factor and would "pitch to the score" as a winner. In 93 he just got lit up.

 

He also struggled in the 92 playoffs.

 

Thats burned into my brain and now when now I hear that kind of hollow puff from the Tabby's of the world it gives me an uncontrollable tick in my left eye lol

[Dick_Pole]

I liked Hutchison. I think he pitched pretty good in the season before that one. A K an inning as a starter back when not everyone was doing that. Too bad it never panned out for him.

 

As for Morris, he was 38 years old in 1993 when he got lit up.

[Benito]

What about defensive metrics? What does everyone here favour?

[RobinThicc]

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