Trade Deadline Rumors and Discussion Thread 2021

[TwistedLogic]

There are just over 5 weeks remaining until the trade deadline and most years, you start to see the first few moves being made around this time as teams iron out where they are on the contending spectrum.

 

BlueRocky shared this tweet earlier today discussing Mark Shapiro's confidence in adding to the current Blue Jays ball club:

 

As discussions begin around the league about potential moves to be made and players to become available, we'll keep tabs on everything in this thread.

[Spanky99]

In relation to that tweet, here's Mark Shapiro's interview...

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/590/lead-off/mark-shapiro-confident-will-add-pieces-help-us-win/

[RobinThicc]

Groshans ++ for Marquez

[AI9764]

Name your untouchables, gentlemen.

[Deadpool]

Name your untouchables, gentlemen.

 

Almost anyone whose name I know, I'm not giving up much for this season. Unless it's someone w/ multiple years of control (like Stripling was...)

[TwistedLogic]

Name your untouchables, gentlemen.

 

In the minors, only Moreno. In my opinion he's already a legitimate Top 10 prospect in baseball.

[InvincibleTiger]

Give me one of the Marlins stud pitchers. They have a surplus.

[Jimcanuck]

Maeda and Cruz from the Twins

[Krylian]

In the minors, only Moreno. In my opinion he's already a legitimate Top 10 prospect in baseball.

 

You'd move Martin?

[Laika]

Twins are the target team.

 

Rogers, Berrios, Maeda, maybe Pineda or Stashak.

 

Cruz would make the lineup hilarious. It would be the best 1 to 6 in baseball history.

[TwistedLogic]

You'd move Martin?

 

Sure, if the return is good enough. If he's headlining a package for Schwarber and Scherzer, for example, yes I'd pull that trigger.

 

I used to get a lot more married to the Jays top prospects. Then Anthony Gose turned out to be a replacement level player and Devon Travis could never stay on the field and Travis d'Arnaud just had a meh career and Brett Lawrie played himself out of the league and Franklin Barreto became nothing for the A's and Dalton Pompey essentially retired at 25 years old and Anthony Alford turned into a pumpkin and Jeff Hoffman went on to post a 6.13 ERA and Aaron Sanchez literally died to blisters and Roberto Osuna beat up his girlfriend (allegedly) and now Nate Pearson is always incapacitated.

 

How many of those guys were considered untouchables by Jays fans at various points? Many of the guys that were traded brought back quality talent. Many of the others could have brought back high-value assets and were instead kept and became zeros for the Blue Jays.

 

I love Martin. He's my second favorite guy in the Jays system and was my #1 until Moreno broke out. I wouldn't have an easy time seeing him get moved. But I also know that the Blue Jays have plenty of home grown talent on the major league roster and need to make trades to supplement that and you're not going to get an ace pitcher for Samad Taylor.

[Jimcanuck]

Sure, if the return is good enough. If he's headlining a package for Schwarber and Scherzer, for example, yes I'd pull that trigger.

 

I used to get a lot more married to the Jays top prospects. Then Anthony Gose turned out to be a replacement level player and Devon Travis could never stay on the field and Travis d'Arnaud just had a meh career and Brett Lawrie played himself out of the league and Franklin Barreto became nothing for the A's and Dalton Pompey essentially retired at 25 years old and Anthony Alford turned into a pumpkin and Jeff Hoffman went on to post a 6.13 ERA and Aaron Sanchez literally died to blisters and Roberto Osuna beat up his girlfriend (allegedly) and now Nate Pearson is always incapacitated.

 

How many of those guys were considered untouchables by Jays fans at various points? Many of the guys that were traded brought back quality talent. Many of the others could have brought back high-value assets and were instead kept and became zeros for the Blue Jays.

 

I love Martin. He's my second favorite guy in the Jays system and was my #1 until Moreno broke out. I wouldn't have an easy time seeing him get moved. But I also know that the Blue Jays have plenty of home grown talent on the major league roster and need to make trades to supplement that and you're not going to get an ace pitcher for Samad Taylor.

 

What about Vladito, Bichette, etc? Yes, prospects can be frustrating, but the truly elite guys you don't move to increase the chance of winning a WS from 15% to 19%. And Martin is elite.

[Laika]

Martin for Scherzer and Schwarber would be a pretty bad trade. Two rentals making big money. Could get them with lesser prospects, if they end up being available. Or you could get more for Martin (several years of a younger front end pitcher, for example).

[RobinThicc]

Martin for Scherzer and Schwarber is hilariously bad

[Grant77]

I like Eduardo Escobar and Ian Kennedy as complimentary pieces. A bench bat that can play 3B and a reliever are our most obvious needs.

 

If we're shopping for more expensive players, I think that Max Scherzer is an ideal fit. This lineup with him and Ryu is a favourite in any series.

[InvincibleTiger]

Ya, I'm not dealing Martin for a rental. Give me a young controllable arm.

[TwistedLogic]

Martin for Scherzer and Schwarber would be a pretty bad trade. Two rentals making big money. Could get them with lesser prospects, if they end up being available. Or you could get more for Martin (several years of a younger front end pitcher, for example).

 

Not sure why I thought Scherzer had more control than that. Thought only Schwarber was expiring.

 

I definitely wouldn't move him in a trade for just rentals.

 

If I'm moving a guy like Martin, I'm looking for an elite level talent like Scherzer for at least two years with another impact player packed in, or a young controllable guy with 3+ years.

 

Either way, they need arms, whether they're young and controllable or guys with pedigree that instantly slot into the top of the rotation. If they can pull any of that off without using Martin I'll be ecstatic.

[Grant77]

Twins are the target team.

 

Rogers, Berrios, Maeda, maybe Pineda or Stashak.

 

Cruz would make the lineup hilarious. It would be the best 1 to 6 in baseball history.

 

1927 Yankees (OPS+)

Babe Ruth 225

Lou Gehrig 220

Earle Combs 141

Bob Meusel 135

Tony Lazzeri 125

Pat Collins 116

[Eat My Shatkins]

Jays could use a steady 3B. Would still love to bring JD back at half price. He's not worth $23 million, but maybe the Twins can eat half of that contract.

 

It'd be nice to snag Rogers from the Twins too while they're at it.

[Jimcanuck]

Jays could use a steady 3B. Would still love to bring JD back at half price. He's not worth $23 million, but maybe the Twins can eat half of that contract.

 

It'd be nice to snag Rogers from the Twins too while they're at it.

 

JD can't stay healthy, and his D is average now and will only get worse

[Eat My Shatkins]

JD can't stay healthy, and his D is average now and will only get worse

 

You're probably right. Plus he's a giant dickhead. Getting caught up in some nostalgia probably.

[Jays24]

You're probably right. Plus he's a giant dickhead. Getting caught up in some nostalgia probably.

 

I'm all for it. Having some dickheads on your team isn't the worst thing. Find a way to get Maeda with Donaldons contract as the "penalty."

[Sammy225]

Right now the only person I want from twins is Berrios

[Dick_Pole]

Martin is most certainly on the table and where I would dangle him first is towards the Marlins or some other team with controllable pitching. Adding at the trade deadline doesn't have to mean trading prospects for veterans.

[saskjayfan]

Martin is most certainly on the table and where I would dangle him first is towards the Marlins or some other team with controllable pitching. Adding at the trade deadline doesn't have to mean trading prospects for veterans.

 

Martin is a pure hitter. He should have been the 2nd overall pick in the draft in 2019. I feel like his hit tool will translate through the levels to the MLB very well. Martin isn't untradeable, but he's close. It would have to be something special.

[Dick_Pole]

Sure, if the return is good enough. If he's headlining a package for Schwarber and Scherzer, for example, yes I'd pull that trigger.

 

I used to get a lot more married to the Jays top prospects. Then Anthony Gose turned out to be a replacement level player and Devon Travis could never stay on the field and Travis d'Arnaud just had a meh career and Brett Lawrie played himself out of the league and Franklin Barreto became nothing for the A's and Dalton Pompey essentially retired at 25 years old and Anthony Alford turned into a pumpkin and Jeff Hoffman went on to post a 6.13 ERA and Aaron Sanchez literally died to blisters and Roberto Osuna beat up his girlfriend (allegedly) and now Nate Pearson is always incapacitated.

 

How many of those guys were considered untouchables by Jays fans at various points? Many of the guys that were traded brought back quality talent. Many of the others could have brought back high-value assets and were instead kept and became zeros for the Blue Jays.

 

I love Martin. He's my second favorite guy in the Jays system and was my #1 until Moreno broke out. I wouldn't have an easy time seeing him get moved. But I also know that the Blue Jays have plenty of home grown talent on the major league roster and need to make trades to supplement that and you're not going to get an ace pitcher for Samad Taylor.

 

Don't forget Travis Snider.

 

But some of these examples aren't great. I'm sure exactly no one regretted Lawrie or Barreto being traded. It's not the quality of the player being traded that people worry about. It's the context of the trade and the return. Most people understand that quality must be given up to get quality back, except the Mike Trout for Ryan Goins, Brian Tallett and John McDonald trade suggestion type of people.

[FantasyNewb]

Don't forget Travis Snider.

 

But some of these examples aren't great. I'm sure exactly no one regretted Lawrie or Barreto being traded. It's not the quality of the player being traded that people worry about. It's the context of the trade and the return. Most people understand that quality must be given up to get quality back, except the Mike Trout for Ryan Goins, Brian Tallett and John McDonald trade suggestion type of people.

 

To be fair, I don't think even the prospect hoarders would hold on to our top prospects to get a Donaldson type (coming off 2 years of 7+war and 5+ war) with control for a few years. I'd trade 3 of our top prospects to get a player of that caliber for multiple years.

[max silver]

Sure, if the return is good enough. If he's headlining a package for Schwarber and Scherzer, for example, yes I'd pull that trigger.

 

I used to get a lot more married to the Jays top prospects. Then Anthony Gose turned out to be a replacement level player and Devon Travis could never stay on the field and Travis d'Arnaud just had a meh career and Brett Lawrie played himself out of the league and Franklin Barreto became nothing for the A's and Dalton Pompey essentially retired at 25 years old and Anthony Alford turned into a pumpkin and Jeff Hoffman went on to post a 6.13 ERA and Aaron Sanchez literally died to blisters and Roberto Osuna beat up his girlfriend (allegedly) and now Nate Pearson is always incapacitated.

 

How many of those guys were considered untouchables by Jays fans at various points? Many of the guys that were traded brought back quality talent. Many of the others could have brought back high-value assets and were instead kept and became zeros for the Blue Jays.

 

I love Martin. He's my second favorite guy in the Jays system and was my #1 until Moreno broke out. I wouldn't have an easy time seeing him get moved. But I also know that the Blue Jays have plenty of home grown talent on the major league roster and need to make trades to supplement that and you're not going to get an ace pitcher for Samad Taylor.

 

Holy s*** man that's a truly awful trade proposal. Martin is an elite prospect, so the idea of moving him out for a rental starter and a decent left fielder is unnecessarily throwing away value.

[saskjayfan]

Holy s*** man that's a truly awful trade proposal. Martin is an elite prospect, so the idea of moving him out for a rental starter and a decent left fielder is unnecessarily throwing away value.

 

I'm curious as to what the cost for Scherzer would be. I don't think anyone is trading a prospect as highly rated as Martin for a rental.

[TwistedLogic]

Don't forget Travis Snider.

 

But some of these examples aren't great. I'm sure exactly no one regretted Lawrie or Barreto being traded. It's not the quality of the player being traded that people worry about. It's the context of the trade and the return. Most people understand that quality must be given up to get quality back, except the Mike Trout for Ryan Goins, Brian Tallett and John McDonald trade suggestion type of people.

 

I'm not saying people didn't want those guys traded. It's not like people were upset Gose or Osuna were traded when they were either. I'm talking about the hype those prospects each had at different times. Lawrie after his first 43 games in 2011 was probably the most untouchable prospect I've ever seen in Toronto until Vladdy emerged. I've never seen a young baseball player more hyped in this city before that. I remember wondering if he'd be the next Blue Jays hall of famer.

 

I think watching Lawrie fall off was the most gutted I've ever been over a prospect not meeting expectations. It's also the first time I really experienced that in general since I only became a hardcore fan leading into the 2011 season, due largely in part to the hype around Jose Bautista's 2010 season.

 

My point is, up until this recent class started turning out a surprising amount of players, no elite Blue Jays prospect actually turned out to be elite. Syndergaard was the only one and he came up with the Mets. Besides Syndergaard, every bonafide top guy they've had over the years, whether it was in the Snider, Wallace and Drabek era, or the d'Arnaud, Marisnick and Sanchez era, or the Pompey, Alford and Norris era, literally 0 of the elite Blue Jays prospects over that time have become even a threat to make an All-Star game. And we thought all of these guys would be perennial All-Stars at different times.

 

Even among the guys they traded away that hurt at the time, like Marisnick, Hoffman and Norris, none of them seriously came back to bite them. The only really good players the Jays have lost, like Boyd, Gomes, Musgrove and DeSclafani, were afterthoughts in their system at the time of those trades. Nobody was really crying about losing any of those guys.

 

Prior to Noah Syndergaard, the last time a #1 prospect in the Jays system turned out was Alex Rios in 2004.