General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2021)

[Daniel Labude]

[max silver]

We had that guy in Tellez, but he started slow when we needed him to be hot, then had to sit when we brought Springer back (too early) and had to DH him and then we shipped him away because the bullpen sucked. Sometime it just works out that way.

 

I still find myself wishing that the club would have given Vladdy Jr. a chance to play third base in the spring to see how he looked there. After the weightloss with the way he's moving on the field now he likely could have played close to if not better than average at third base. Having Rowdy at first base and Vladdy at third base likely would have strengthened the club a great deal compared to having Biggio play out of position at third.

[Stangstag]

I still find myself wishing that the club would have given Vladdy Jr. a chance to play third base in the spring to see how he looked there. After the weightloss with the way he's moving on the field now he likely could have played close to if not better than average at third base. Having Rowdy at first base and Vladdy at third base likely would have strengthened the club a great deal compared to having Biggio play out of position at third.

 

Definitely could have made a big difference. But who knows if Vlad puts up the numbers he has while struggling defensively at 3B

[Jimcanuck]

Too bad Jays didn't cash in on Semien and Ray.

 

Remember the Blues trading Stastny at the deadline when they were just outside the playoffs. They won the Cup the next season.

[max silver]

Too bad Jays didn't cash in on Semien and Ray.

 

Remember the Blues trading Stastny at the deadline when they were just outside the playoffs. They won the Cup the next season.

 

Up until the most recent Springer injury I thought the club had a very strong chance to work their way into a wildcard slot. Trading away top talent for a contending ballclub likely would have really pissed off guys that you want to retain as members of your future core. Unfortunately without Springer and the continued tirefire of a bullpen their chances have essentially faded away, but I don't think there was really any way to predict that Springer would have suffered a freak injury and ended up missing most if not all of the rest of the regular season.

[Spanky99]

 

Thats tough

 

This graph is me when I heard the Springer udate.

[connorp]

Up until the most recent Springer injury I thought the club had a very strong chance to work their way into a wildcard slot. Trading away top talent for a contending ballclub likely would have really pissed off guys that you want to retain as members of your future core. Unfortunately without Springer and the continued tirefire of a bullpen their chances have essentially faded away, but I don't think there was really any way to predict that Springer would have suffered a freak injury and ended up missing most if not all of the rest of the regular season.

 

It’s still a calculated risk that has to be factored in. Could be Bo or Ryu going down on whoever. You make a move like the Berrios trade and you definitely have to take the heat on the deal, or deal that you should’ve made in hindsight. Jays had to jump a handful of equal-type teams. There’s reasoning on both sides but you’re the hero or zero depending on how the dice roll

[glory]

Too bad Jays didn't cash in on Semien and Ray.

 

Remember the Blues trading Stastny at the deadline when they were just outside the playoffs. They won the Cup the next season.

 

My first thought when the White Sox traded Madrigal was whether the Jays could have gotten him for Semien (Sox need help at 2B). Maybe they preferred Kimbrel for the pen, but deals where the Jays sent Semien/Ray for players that could help in 2022 and/or beyond (like Madrigal, or PCA from the Mets, etc) while still making moves like the Berrios one that also showed they were looking to acquire vet assets for 2022 as well would have been the better strategy. Of course, as we know, the team lets optics get in the way of baseball decisions, so even if they wanted to sell high they probably couldn't for a number of reasons (returning home, optics of selling right before that, etc).

[Jays24]

As annoyed as I am with how this season has gone, I can move past not making the playoffs this season. Next year will be a make or break year for this front office as they've had ample time to put thing together. How we handle this offseason will be crucial.

[jerb]

 

Shi Davidi

@ShiDavidi

 

It’s a Grade 1 knee sprain for George Springer, with no timeline yet, Blue Jays say. Typically that degree of sprain involves stretching of/mild damage to a ligament but it’s still holding the joint relatively stable.

 

Rob Longley

@longleysunsport

 

#Bluejays staff in D.C. feel the injury to Springer is "week to week." Considered less severe than the one which sidelined Bichette four weeks last year. Team will monitor healing process and proceed accordingly.

[max silver]

Given the accuracy of injury updates from the club I take this to mean that Springer is done for the season. Day to day with this club means several weeks, where week to week typically indicates several months.

[RobinThicc]

Week to week aka done for the year.

[BigCecil]

We had that guy in Tellez, but he started slow when we needed him to be hot, then had to sit when we brought Springer back (too early) and had to DH him and then we shipped him away because the bullpen sucked. Sometime it just works out that way.

 

Ya. I know. I like Tellez. Always saw him as someone with talent beyond potential but he sucked in 21 for us and we needed pen help. But it didn't have to begin and end there with Rowdy.

[Stangstag]

 

Shi Davidi

@ShiDavidi

 

It’s a Grade 1 knee sprain for George Springer, with no timeline yet, Blue Jays say. Typically that degree of sprain involves stretching of/mild damage to a ligament but it’s still holding the joint relatively stable.

 

Rob Longley

@longleysunsport

 

#Bluejays staff in D.C. feel the injury to Springer is "week to week." Considered less severe than the one which sidelined Bichette four weeks last year. Team will monitor healing process and proceed accordingly.

 

Seems like this is a best case scenario

[BigCecil]

Listening to Mets pod with Darryl Strawberry fuming at Rojas for not using "one of the best pitchers on the planet" in a situation.

 

That pitcher is Aaron f***ing Loup. Guy has a 1.78 FIP and 1.6 fWAR. Lights out.

 

Seems so strange to hear. He has to be one of the most cursed at Jays reliever I can remember.

[jerb]

 

Kaitlyn McGrath

@kaitlyncmcgrath

 

#BlueJays injury updates per Montoyo:

- Stripling has been shut down from throwing for 10-14 days after the oblique injury.

- Hatch will stay stretched out for now as depth

- Jansen (hamstring) should be in rehab games by next week

 

Kaitlyn McGrath

@kaitlyncmcgrath

 

- Still no timetable on Springer but obviously team is relieved some it’s mild sprain

- It sounds like Biggio won’t return to the club until he gets going offensively in Triple A. Position players can be on rehab assignments for 20 days but he can stay down longer if optioned

[jerb]

 

Scott Mitchell

@ScottyMitchTSN

 

#BlueJays are DFAing Rafael Dolis to make room for infielder Kevin Smith.

 

Rob Longley

@longleysunsport

 

#Bluejays manager Charlie Montoyo on Rafael Dolis being DFAd: “He just never had good command this year. His stuff is still there but he pitched from behind a lot. He could never get it going this year.”

[BTS]

 

Scott Mitchell

@ScottyMitchTSN

 

#BlueJays are DFAing Rafael Dolis to make room for infielder Kevin Smith.

 

Rob Longley

@longleysunsport

 

#Bluejays manager Charlie Montoyo on Rafael Dolis being DFAd: “He just never had good command this year. His stuff is still there but he pitched from behind a lot. He could never get it going this year.”

 

I'm betting he's back in Japan next year.

[jerb]

 

Toronto Blue Jays

@BlueJays

 

ROSTER MOVES:

 

INF Kevin Smith selected to the Major League roster; he will wear number 66 and be active today

 

LHP Tim Mayza reinstated from 10-day IL and will be active today

 

RHP Alek Manoah placed on bereavement list

 

RHP Rafael Dolis designated for assignment

[jerb]

 

Scott Mitchell

@ScottyMitchTSN

 

Hearing Julian Merryweather is scheduled to begin his rehab assignment tonight with an inning for Low-A Dunedin.

#BlueJays

[Jimcanuck]

Probability Merryweather gets hurt during rehab - 75%

[Stangstag]

Listening to Mets pod with Darryl Strawberry fuming at Rojas for not using "one of the best pitchers on the planet" in a situation.

 

That pitcher is Aaron f***ing Loup. Guy has a 1.78 FIP and 1.6 fWAR. Lights out.

 

Seems so strange to hear. He has to be one of the most cursed at Jays reliever I can remember.

 

Just imagine if we still had Tepera, Loup, Hendricks. Elite bullpen. Relievers are weird

[Stangstag]

Probability Merryweather gets hurt during rehab - 75%

 

More like 95%

[glory]

Another reliever used in a close game only to get DFA'd the next day. Excellent.

[Abomination]

The bereavement list for Manoah might explain the bad night last night.

[Stangstag]

The bereavement list for Manoah might explain the bad night last night.

 

Yeah makes sense. It was his first bad start really

[Ehjays]

[JFD]

Did Shatkins win any trades this year? Man they suck.. I guess Cimber was good but everything else has disaster written on it.

[Brownie19]

Did Shatkins win any trades this year? Man they suck.. I guess Cimber was good but everything else has disaster written on it.

 

You may want to find a new team to follow.

[BCZ]

Welp, at least we'll get a high draft...... wait n/m