General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2021)

[TwistedLogic]

 

This might actually be the most pitiful thing I've ever seen a manager say, lmao.

[RustyTrombone]

 

This might actually be the most pitiful thing I've ever seen a manager say, lmao.

 

Ya but he isnt wrong in saying that. Even with a three run lead no way they were gonna be able to get it to the 9th without blowing it.

[Jimcanuck]

 

This might actually be the most pitiful thing I've ever seen a manager say, lmao.

 

Thinly veiled message to Shatkins.

[G-Snarls]

Thinly veiled message to Shatkins.

 

4D Front Office chess

[Spanky99]

Thinly veiled message to Shatkins.

 

He did it the other night when he dropped the F-Bomb, too.

[Spanky99]

4D Front Office chess

 

lol... I killed myself laughing at this, well played!

[BCZ]

 

This might actually be the most pitiful thing I've ever seen a manager say, lmao.

 

Jesus ouch. Even Charlie has lost all hope.

[Benito]

I have no knowledge of what goes on in the clubhouse, but I hope the players have more competitiveness than their manager, and does not adopt his apparent defeatist mentality. Players should not be be okay conceding victory and accepting losses with such casual apathy.

[Spanky99]

I have no knowledge of what goes on in the clubhouse, but I hope the players have more competitiveness than their manager, and does not adopt his apparent defeatist mentality. Players should not be be okay conceding victory and accepting losses with such casual apathy.

 

He was asked how demoralizing the last week has been, and how has he kept his composure on the field regarding the confidential calls, "I'm not going to get thrown out for that" "Look we're happy blah blah......

 

Brutal.

[BCZ]

Most hilarious is the people praising Grichuk 2-3 weeks ago. As if we haven't seen this same banana peel ******** again and again from Grisuck.

[Bluebombers]

Agree with adding a competent manager and also Roboump/ eagle eye would be nice. Sick and tired of cheating/incompetent umpires ripping us off.

Would be nice to not have to play against a stacked deck.

I'm sure we benefit more than other teams

Go jays

[Laika]

Stop whining you f***ing pansies. Wow.

[G-Snarls]

I'm ambivalent on whether or not Semian should get traded because I don't know the return.

 

But exchanging assets/balance sheet for wins now in general doesn't seem like a smart organizational decision. How to maximize Semian's post trade-line WAR is beyond my pay grade, but I assume that Shatkins can find a way to shift Semian's wins to next year or the year after.

 

Another month before I'd consider anything other than a trade for BP help

[Bluebombers]

Call us a Waaaaaa,,,,ambulance...lol

 

Poor suffering jays fan

[Benito]

I'm not sure where I stand on trading Semien. Even if playoff chances look slim, I want the young core to constantly push for victory and experience that winning attitude, if such a thing exists. Jays still are 4th in run differential in AL. I know that was benefited from the early success of the BP, but the rotation looks like it's stabilized, and should continue to give the team opportunity to win with the offence they have. Health permitted of course, which is never a given.

 

Having said that, if the front office decides to sell off pieces, what could the Jays get if they packaged Semien and Ray together? Could that land a blue chip prospect from a contender?

[Bluebombers]

Semien and Ray should get a nice return but it also frees up a position for Biggio to play steady at

[G-Snarls]

Semien and Ray should get a nice return but it also frees up a position for Biggio to play steady at

 

Screw all this June trade talk

 

I want to make the post season, see both of those guys play well and offer both of them qualifying offers

 

I'll then happily take the draft pick for Semien and try to extend Ray for 2-3 years

[bendera3]

Screw all this June trade talk

 

I want to make the post season, see both of those guys play well and offer both of them qualifying offers

 

I'll then happily take the draft pick for Semien and try to extend Ray for 2-3 years

 

I'm with you. I don't really see any reason to trade either unless the offer blows your socks off. I might be in the minority but I wouldn't mind trying to see what Semien is looking for in an extension with an understand that he plays both 2nd and SS along with Bo doing the same. It wouldn't be a bad thing to have the flexibility of two shortstops that could be starters on the roster and you can use Biggio to spell 2nd base as well.

[ShowtimeBelli]

Zeuch down Kay up. I don't understand this at all. Kay been getting rocked in AAA. Why is he coming up and not someone who can actually help the pen? What are they waiting for?

 

Springer most likely joining the team Tuesday. I might just be getting impatient, but I don't understand why he can't just get his timing back against the O's AAA pitching instead.

[Laika]

Why is he coming up and not someone who can actually help the pen? What are they waiting for?

 

"someone who can actually help the pen" has to, you know, exist first.

 

Springer most likely joining the team Tuesday. I might just be getting impatient, but I don't understand why he can't just get his timing back against the O's AAA pitching instead.

 

It's not about his timing whatsoever. Were you alive when he came back too early and got hurt again?

[RobinThicc]

This might actually be the most pitiful thing I've ever seen a manager say, lmao.

Its on Atkins at this point.

[Ray]

We're realistically not selling unless we're 10 games under .500 by the trade deadline.

 

Which I guess would be possible if the bullpen keeps blowing game after game, but pragmatically, Springer is coming back within days, and we're going to be going into the easy part of our schedule starting today. There's a high likelihood that we'll be .500 or better by the trade deadline. In which case, buy relievers like your hair is on fire. Relievers who are having good years that shouldn't necessarily cost that much:

 

- Richard Bleier

- Ross Detweiller

- Casey Sadler

- Adam Cimber

- Daniel Hudson

- Drew Steckenrider

- JT Chargois

- Kendall Gravemen (might cost you though with the year he's having)

 

 

Hell, even a reuinion with Anthony Bass could make sense. At this point, you take anyone who actually has had some sort of successful track record pitching in high leverage in the majors .

 

Anthony Castro and Joel Payamps were like the 10th and 11th relievers on our depth charts. The reason they were doing so well in April was because we got to use them in scenarios where we wanted to. They were literal AAA pitchers coming into the season, and now they are being asked to hold AL East lineups scoreless in situations where the game is on the line.

[ShowtimeBelli]

"someone who can actually help the pen" has to, you know, exist first.

 

 

 

It's not about his timing whatsoever. Were you alive when he came back too early and got hurt again?

 

Totally different situations. Last time he came back obviously still in discomfort. This time he's playing games in AAA with no know (for what we know, at least) discomfort.

 

As for the pen option, there are a few I'd rather see before Kay.

[Ray]

Also realizing how poorly constructed this bullpen was given their situations:

 

Kirby Yates: poor medicals, so much so that another MLB team pulled their offer after seeing them

Ryan Borucki: history of elbow troubles

Julian Merryweather: literally bigfoot

David Phelps: decorated injury history

AJ Cole: decorated injury history

Tyler Chatwood: yoyos between being Mariano Rivera and the worst pitcher in baseball

 

Like sure, you may have gotten unlucky with ALL of them getting injured at the same time, but looking back, maybe you should've planned a liiiiiitle bit better for that scenario given their histories.

[Laika]

Also realizing how poorly constructed this bullpen was given their situations:

 

Kirby Yates: poor medicals, so much so that another MLB team pulled their offer after seeing them

Ryan Borucki: history of elbow troubles

Julian Merryweather: literally bigfoot

David Phelps: decorated injury history

AJ Cole: decorated injury history

Tyler Chatwood: yoyos between being Mariano Rivera and the worst pitcher in baseball

 

Like sure, you may have gotten unlucky with ALL of them getting injured at the same time, but looking back, maybe you should've planned a liiiiiitle bit better for that scenario given their histories.

 

No, this is horseshit. Basically every reliever in baseball has a "decorated injury history". For most of them that is why they are relievers.

 

Toronto's depth was fine/normal, they just got completely f***ed by injuries and s***** performances. So far.

[Jimcanuck]

Stop whining you f***ing pansies. Wow.

 

Mods

[glory]

It's not about the Jays being around .500, it's about how far behind they are of a playoff spot that should determine whether they buy or sell. The Jays right now are 7.5 back of the 2nd WC, 8.5 back of the 1st WC, and 9 back of the division. A nice run over the next few weeks should shave those games back a bit, but unless the team is within 5 games of a playoff spot, I wouldn't say buying is guaranteed.

 

With that said, sellers at the deadline recently are not getting great hauls, so could always keep Semien, Ray, etc, and either try to extend them or in Semien's case a QO.

[JFD]

Start winning you f***ing pansies. Wow

[G-Snarls]

[The Iceman]

We're realistically not selling unless we're 10 games under .500 by the trade deadline.

 

Which I guess would be possible if the bullpen keeps blowing game after game, but pragmatically, Springer is coming back within days, and we're going to be going into the easy part of our schedule starting today. There's a high likelihood that we'll be .500 or better by the trade deadline. In which case, buy relievers like your hair is on fire. Relievers who are having good years that shouldn't necessarily cost that much:

 

- Richard Bleier

- Ross Detweiller

- Casey Sadler

- Adam Cimber

- Daniel Hudson

- Drew Steckenrider

- JT Chargois

- Kendall Gravemen (might cost you though with the year he's having)

 

 

Hell, even a reuinion with Anthony Bass could make sense. At this point, you take anyone who actually has had some sort of successful track record pitching in high leverage in the majors .

 

Anthony Castro and Joel Payamps were like the 10th and 11th relievers on our depth charts. The reason they were doing so well in April was because we got to use them in scenarios where we wanted to. They were literal AAA pitchers coming into the season, and now they are being asked to hold AL East lineups scoreless in situations where the game is on the line.

 

Joel Payamps can pitch as an early guy out of my bullpen any day. He is a MLB calibre RP. Castro is more of a AAAA guy.

Thomas Hatch should be on the MLB roster. Stretching him out when the team is specifically losing games in a role he could succeed is horrible asset management.

When you are longing for AJ Cole to return you know you are very thin in the pen.