General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2021)

[Stangstag]

Time for Jansen to step the f*** up or else he’s a permanent backup catcher starting 2022

[Jays24]

Wtf man... Kirk has 2 homers and misses 6 weeks. Springer has 2 dingers and leave the following game. Please turn this cursed season around.

[Spanky99]

Cool Beans...

 

[Spanky99]

Since the Alomar thread is closed, I'll leave this here...

 

[Krylian]

Cool Beans...

 

 

The thumbnail of hazel looks like Springer just gave her something to swallow.

 

Don't judge me. A lot of you were thinking it too.

[wilko]

The thumbnail of hazel looks like Springer just gave her something to swallow.

 

Don't judge me. A lot of you were thinking it too.

 

[G-Snarls]

Ryu expected to be activated and pitch on Thursday

[Deadpool]

Ryu expected to be activated and pitch on Thursday

 

I'm glad he didn't have permanent butt damage.

[Grant77]

It's also possible Edwin helps us win 2 more games or so, which means we still miss out on the playoffs but are back ~4 spots in the draft. Maybe we don't end up with Groshans.

 

Maybe we end up with Logan Gilbert in that case. It's hard to judge based solely on that.

[Scion]

Anyone else think the quad fatigue issue that Springer is dealing with sounds an awful lot like the quadriceps tendinopathy issue that Kawhi Leonard dealt with (and continues to deal with)?

[saskjayfan]

Anyone else think the quad fatigue issue that Springer is dealing with sounds an awful lot like the quadriceps tendinopathy issue that Kawhi Leonard dealt with (and continues to deal with)?

 

First I would need to have a medical degree to make that assertion, secondly I'd need to see the medical imaging reports to come to that conclusion. Without those 2 things its just the imagination running wild.

 

More importantly, Nate Pearson should start in 5 Days in Houston. Can anyone give me a reasonable reason why this would not be the case?

[z3r0s]

First I would need to have a medical degree to make that assertion, secondly I'd need to see the medical imaging reports to come to that conclusion. Without those 2 things its just the imagination running wild.

 

More importantly, Nate Pearson should start in 5 Days in Houston. Can anyone give me a reasonable reason why this would not be the case?

 

He did only go 3.2 innings, so that's a bit of a blemish.

[saskjayfan]

He did only go 3.2 innings, so that's a bit of a blemish.

 

Go look at the box score. The ump cost him a lot of pitches. He should have finished 4 innings scoreless and 9Ks. 14 balls were indicated as strikes on pitch trax. Some were borderline, but there were 3 or 4 were well inside the strike zone. In the 4th he had a strike three call well inside the box that was called a ball and that cost him 5 more pitches finally getting the player to strike out on pitch 8.

 

Regardless 78 pitches, he should be up to 90 pitches for his next start. Kay is only averaging something like 2 or 3 innings per start. Pearson should not have to prove he belongs when it's Anthony Kay taking starts away from him.

[Olerud363]

First I would need to have a medical degree to make that assertion, secondly I'd need to see the medical imaging reports to come to that conclusion. Without those 2 things its just the imagination running wild.

 

More importantly, Nate Pearson should start in 5 Days in Houston. Can anyone give me a reasonable reason why this would not be the case?

 

This is silly. It's not just the imagination running wild. Making a comparison between Kawai and Springer is common sense... in fact I was thinking the same thing. Maybe it's not the same injury... but what reason is there not to discuss this? You get a few points of view, from different people who have experienced injuries, or perhaps are even in the field and we learn something.

 

In real life people successfully deal with injuries all the time without bringing in an expert. In Ontario it's unrealistic to get every minor injury imaged. There is zero chance they will even image you for minor things, or image you before it heals.

 

I actually had an injury to my patellar tendon and quadriceps tendon a couple years ago. No I wasn't offerred imaging. I could of gotten PT with a few weeks wait time, but it healed before then. People are on their own for minor injuries, so should learn about them. Certainly bring in experts for major injuries and anything that can be permanently disabling.

[saskjayfan]

This is silly. It's not just the imagination running wild. Making a comparison between Kawai and Springer is common sense... in fact I was thinking the same thing. Maybe it's not the same injury... but what reason is there not to discuss this? You get a few points of view, from different people who have experienced injuries, or perhaps are even in the field and we learn something.

 

In real life people successfully deal with injuries all the time without bringing in an expert. In Ontario it's unrealistic to get every minor injury imaged. There is zero chance they will even image you for minor things, or image you before it heals.

 

I actually had an injury to my patellar tendon and quadriceps tendon a couple years ago. No I wasn't offerred imaging. I could of gotten PT with a few weeks wait time, but it healed before then. People are on their own for minor injuries, so should learn about them. Certainly bring in experts for major injuries and anything that can be permanently disabling.

 

Kawhi missed an entire year with a quad injury. Springer has missed 3 weeks. Making the comparison is not common sense. They type and severity of quad injuries are completely different. If Springer misses the entire year due to his quad, I'll start making the quad comparisons myself. We're a long ways from that. It's paranoia at this point.

[Deadpool]

Go look at the box score. The ump cost him a lot of pitches. He should have finished 4 innings scoreless and 9Ks. 14 balls were indicated as strikes on pitch trax. Some were borderline, but there were 3 or 4 were well inside the strike zone. In the 4th he had a strike three call well inside the box that was called a ball and that cost him 5 more pitches finally getting the player to strike out on pitch 8.

 

Regardless 78 pitches, he should be up to 90 pitches for his next start. Kay is only averaging something like 2 or 3 innings per start. Pearson should not have to prove he belongs when it's Anthony Kay taking starts away from him.

 

And you're just assuming that MLB umps won't miss those calls also? 'cause I've been watching, and they're f***ing horrid in the show too.

[G-Snarls]

bluejays.com:

 

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The Toronto Blue Jays announced today that on June 1, its home location will move to Sahlen Field, home of the club’s Triple-A affiliate Buffalo Bisons. Our goal has always been to return to play on home soil as soon as it is safe to do so, and until then, the team will play its home games in Buffalo, NY.

 

We want to thank our fans for everything they have done to combat COVID-19 in our communities. Blue Jays fans should continue to follow the latest local public health guidelines, including those regarding non-essential travel outside of Canada; through these efforts, we can hope for the day we reunite at Rogers Centre.

[Scion]

Kawhi missed an entire year with a quad injury. Springer has missed 3 weeks. Making the comparison is not common sense. They type and severity of quad injuries are completely different. If Springer misses the entire year due to his quad, I'll start making the quad comparisons myself. We're a long ways from that. It's paranoia at this point.

 

Quadriceps tendinopathy is just inflammation of the quadriceps tendon. It can vary from minor acute tears to more chronic tendinitis which was the case with Kawhi. Moreover, you don't necessarily need imaging to detect mild cases of quadriceps tendinitis. For instance I was diagnosed with it at 21 simply from a doctor listening to my symptoms and noticing some swelling in the area. It's a common injury that can occur from overuse or running on hard surfaces. The reason I brought up Springer is because of the fatigue issue that keeps being brought up, it sounds similar to what Kawhi had, but of course it could also be a hundred other things too.

[Olerud363]

Kawhi missed an entire year with a quad injury. Springer has missed 3 weeks. Making the comparison is not common sense. They type and severity of quad injuries are completely different. If Springer misses the entire year due to his quad, I'll start making the quad comparisons myself. We're a long ways from that. It's paranoia at this point.

 

I don't know what the original poster was getting at for sure. I took it, that he meant that Springers current status might be similar to Kawhi's in 2018/2019 when he played with the Raptors, and a similar strategy of 'load management' might be wise.

 

Yeah.. I agree with you that no one here can diagnose Springer with a season ending injury.

 

I do think we can discuss how to manage him. It might be useful to look at how teams dealt with chronic, but not season ending injuries in the past. Not all quad injuries but...

 

1. Kawhi - Load management program, pre-announced

2. Bonds - not sure he ever had a quad injury but in his amazing 2001-2004 run he was given regular rest on a set schedule.

 

I think something like that may be good for Springer. You even might hit him 5th, to stop him from 5 at bat nights regularly, get him in less 'run-scorer' situations and more rbi guy (even if it's just a small difference). If he is able to swing I'd play him 3 out of 4 games for a while, and hit him 5th. Pinch run in any critical situation of course. Load management.

[Jgarza868899]

First I would need to have a medical degree to make that assertion, secondly I'd need to see the medical imaging reports to come to that conclusion. Without those 2 things its just the imagination running wild.

 

More importantly, Nate Pearson should start in 5 Days in Houston. Can anyone give me a reasonable reason why this would not be the case?

Not really..... makes too much sense. I don’t want to see Anthony Kay pitch against the Astros, massacre waiting to happen

[The Cats Ass]

I don't know what the original poster was getting at for sure. I took it, that he meant that Springers current status might be similar to Kawhi's in 2018/2019 when he played with the Raptors, and a similar strategy of 'load management' might be wise.

 

Yeah.. I agree with you that no one here can diagnose Springer with a season ending injury.

 

I do think we can discuss how to manage him. It might be useful to look at how teams dealt with chronic, but not season ending injuries in the past. Not all quad injuries but...

 

1. Kawhi - Load management program, pre-announced

2. Bonds - not sure he ever had a quad injury but in his amazing 2001-2004 run he was given regular rest on a set schedule.

 

I think something like that may be good for Springer. You even might hit him 5th, to stop him from 5 at bat nights regularly, get him in less 'run-scorer' situations and more rbi guy (even if it's just a small difference). If he is able to swing I'd play him 3 out of 4 games for a while, and hit him 5th. Pinch run in any critical situation of course. Load management.

 

Not sure we'd have to go to that extreme with Springer. There's a huge difference between playing basketball and playing baseball. Would even be a huge difference between playing CF and DHing. If anything a load management plan would consist of Springer DHing more. Bonds didn't have that luxury which is why he would have had to sit out completely.

[Scion]

I don't know what the original poster was getting at for sure. I took it, that he meant that Springers current status might be similar to Kawhi's in 2018/2019 when he played with the Raptors, and a similar strategy of 'load management' might be wise.

 

Yeah.. I agree with you that no one here can diagnose Springer with a season ending injury.

 

I do think we can discuss how to manage him. It might be useful to look at how teams dealt with chronic, but not season ending injuries in the past. Not all quad injuries but...

 

1. Kawhi - Load management program, pre-announced

2. Bonds - not sure he ever had a quad injury but in his amazing 2001-2004 run he was given regular rest on a set schedule.

 

I think something like that may be good for Springer. You even might hit him 5th, to stop him from 5 at bat nights regularly, get him in less 'run-scorer' situations and more rbi guy (even if it's just a small difference). If he is able to swing I'd play him 3 out of 4 games for a while, and hit him 5th. Pinch run in any critical situation of course. Load management.

 

Essentially this, good post.

[Spanky99]

Keegan Matheson updates from yesterday...

 

Notes: Springer day to day; Pearson dazzles

 

May 4th, 2021

Keegan Matheson

 

George Springer is still feeling something in his right quad, which kept him out for nearly all of April, and is once again “day to day,” manager Charlie Montoyo said prior to Tuesday's game in Oakland.

 

After the Blue Jays called Monday a scheduled off-day for Springer, his quad kept him out of the lineup on Tuesday as this uncomfortable situation continues to develop.

 

“Every day, we have a conversation on how he feels,” Montoyo said. “He’s still feeling it in his quad and he’s doing some running today in the field to keep building that strength. We want him to play whenever he’s comfortable to do it. Whether it’s DH or in the outfield, that’s what’s going on right now.”

 

On Saturday, Springer hit two home runs but also appeared to pull up short of first base and reach towards his quad while running out a ground ball. On Sunday, Springer was removed after three plate appearances as he began to feel this “fatigue” in his quad.

 

Montoyo said that it’s not currently a “pain” issue for Springer, but a decision will need to made soon after a few days caught in the middle ground. Montoyo is still comfortable with the club’s decision to activate Springer from the IL initially, though, before these setbacks sidelined him again.

 

“Because he’s able to swing the bat,” Montoyo said. “He was able to swing the bat when he came back. The goal was that he was going to play in the outfield, it’s just that he felt fatigue. Before that, he was feeling good and you could see that in how he was swinging the bat at the plate. He was hitting bombs. Everything was going good until that Sunday, when he felt fatigue.”

 

The Blue Jays will continue to evaluate Springer and will see how he reacts to running drills on Wednesday. Montoyo said that an IL decision could be made in a couple of days if Springer is still not ready, but in the meantime, this leaves the Blue Jays with a short bench as they try to navigate a dense portion of their schedule.

 

Pearson dazzles in 2021 debut

 

No. 1 prospect Nate Pearson made the Opening Day start on Tuesday for the Triple-A Buffalo Bisons, who are playing their home games out of Trenton, N.J., to open the season. The right-hander struck out eight batters over 3 2/3 innings, allowing one run on four hits and a walk.

 

At this point, Pearson has fully recovered from his right adductor strain, and after throwing 78 pitches he’s built up enough to be considered “ready," at least from a physical standpoint. Now, he’ll need to pitch his way back onto the MLB roster.

 

It’s only a matter of time, and this Blue Jays rotation is in need of the upside that he brings.

 

Ryu on track for return

 

Ace Hyun-Jin Ryu “looks good for Thursday,” Montoyo said, which would be the afternoon finale of the Blue Jays’ series in Oakland. Ryu has been on the IL with a mild glute strain that was never considered to be serious, but there’s always some level of worry with a soft tissue injury, so this news comes as a relief to the club.

 

Catcher position could evolve behind Jansen

 

Alejandro Kirk’s left flexor strain is expected to keep him out well beyond 10 days, so the Blue Jays will need to make a decision on how they approach their catching depth. No. 18 prospect Riley Adams is currently on the active roster, but would the Blue Jays rather him see sparse MLB reps or everyday Triple-A reps?

 

Reese McGuire flew to Oakland and, once he passes his COVID-19 intake protocols, the Blue Jays could add him to either their active roster or taxi squad.

 

McGuire is no longer on the 40-man roster, so he’d require a corresponding move, but again, that would all be done with Adams’ continued development in mind as the 24-year-old is coming off a strong camp after impressing the club with his work through the lost 2020 season.

[Spanky99]

[itaos]

[Jimcanuck]

Guesses on Roark landing spot?

[saskjayfan]

Guesses on Roark landing spot?

 

Willy Wonka's chocolate factory

[Spanky99]

[Stottlemyres_Bloody_Chin]

Aaaand he's on the IL again.

 

Why can't these guys ever manage injuries correctly?

[Slade]

 

This is stupid just put him back on the DL retroactive and if it is not serious he comes back in a week.