Toronto acquires Vogelbach for cash

[Daniel Labude]

I wouldn't option Tellez, I would use him as your pinch hitter and occasional matchup 1B/DH.

Basically every AB Drury and Panik are getting should be redistributed for Shaw, Tellez, and Vogelbach.

 

The Blue Jays right now are 27TH in the MLB in OBP and 20th in walks. 90% of our dingers are solo shots.

This has led to 23rd in runs scored despite being 9th in home runs.

 

We need guys that can get on base and occasionally launch a baseball to the moon.

The acquisition makes sense to me and we basically got him for nothing.

 

It makes sense in some ways. The team make up and what is happening with Tellez and Shaw is the interesting question marks of this

[BlueRocky]

At the very least he's a platoon option with Vlad and Tellez. We can also do a platoon on our DH spot.

Don't go judging Vogelbach based on an 18 game sample, that means absolutely nothing in a regular baseball season.

 

Look at the larger body of work when he broke out in 2019 and had 30 homers.

[Spanky99]

Clowns... Tellez > Vogelbach it's a minor move.

[dineke]

Guy's probably a bit better than Tellez and it's just cash so cool, whatever.

[M.E.]

Why not take a shot on a guy who they see potential in. It might have worked before. You know JB and EE.

[Laika]

At the very least he's a platoon option with Vlad and Tellez. We can also do a platoon on our DH spot.

Don't go judging Vogelbach based on an 18 game sample, that means absolutely nothing in a regular baseball season.

 

Look at the larger body of work when he broke out in 2019 and had 30 homers.

 

He was dogshit in the second half of 2019 so it’s not just a slow start after a solid season. It looks more like a flash in the pan good first half last year.

 

Tellez vs Vogelbach is an eventual decision. It’s good for Tellez to have some competition

[Slade]

Going to be carrying Vogelbach, Tellez, Vlad and Shaw?

[Barkerfan23]

fggots criticizing this move didnt see the Tellez at bat today

[Spanky99]

He was dogshit in the second half of 2019 so it’s not just a slow start after a solid season. It looks more like a flash in the pan good first half last year.

 

Tellez vs Vogelbach is an eventual decision. It’s good for Tellez to have some competition

 

Yeah, Tellez fight with Vogelbach might be good, maybe......

[BlueRocky]

[BlueRocky]

fggots criticizing this move didnt see the Tellez at bat today

Yep

[Barkerfan23]

Yep

 

Tellez was terrible

 

I think when you have a guy walking 17 percent of the time that's what you go after

 

Tellez has a big hole in his swing. Lots of people saying that he is Rowdys equal are in love with their own player

 

game on the line today and buddy boy struck out on the 3 pitches was outside. he has no discipline at all.

 

weve seen 500 at bats from Rowdy and I'll take the 18 percent walk rate over 8.

 

thanks

[RustyTrombone]

Yep

Oof, knew the bench was bad, didnt realize it was THAT bad. Vogelbach is a MAJOR upgrade over the trash we got on the bench now. Even if hes only a pinch hitter for now atleast we wont see Joe f***in Panik or Mcguire in a big spot.

[BlueRocky]

I would platoon Daniel Vogelbach for now.

 

Daniel Vogelbach

2019 VS Righties: 126 wRC+, .355 wOBA, .225/.359/.485, OPS .844

2019 VS Lefties: 68 wRC+, .270 wOBA, .161/.288/.315, OPS .602

 

Rowdy Tellez

2019 VS Righties: 80 wRC+, .293 wOBA, .208/.283/.420, OPS .702

2019 VS Lefties: 114 wRC+, .342 wOBA, .270/.317/.513, OPS .831

 

(smaller sample)

2020 VS Righties: 87wRC+, .297 wOBA, .200/.268/.460, OPS .728

2020 VS Lefties: 148 wRC+, .388 wOBA, .357/.400/.500, OPS .900

 

 

The platoon would be equivalent to a 120 wRC+ bat.

 

Number are pretty consistent for Rowdy, mashes lefties while below average vs righties.

Vogelbach mashes righties and can't hit lefties.

Edited August 24, 2020 by BlueRocky

[RustyTrombone]

I would platoon Daniel Vogelbach for now.

 

2019 VS Righties: 126 wRC+, .355 wOBA, .225/.359/.485, OPS .844

2019 VS Lefties: 68 wRC+, .270 wOBA, .161/.288/.315, OPS .602

 

Thing with vogelbach is its a bad look optics wise if you give him atbats over rowdy. The team has a bigger stake in rowdy developing into a bigger piece going forward. So if you platoon him at 1st/Dh ve rhp it means no teller vs rhp cause you sure as s*** aren't gonna take vlad out of the lineup right? That means rowdy gets the short end of the stick and that looks bad considering rowdy is a home grown player who is basically = to vogelbach and having a much better season to date. Tough sell.

[BlueRocky]

The organization doesn't need to sell Rowdy Tellez anything.

[Spanky99]

I would platoon Daniel Vogelbach for now.

 

Daniel Vogelbach

2019 VS Righties: 126 wRC+, .355 wOBA, .225/.359/.485, OPS .844

2019 VS Lefties: 68 wRC+, .270 wOBA, .161/.288/.315, OPS .602

 

Rowdy Tellez

2019 VS Righties: 80 wRC+, .293 wOBA, .208/.283/.420, OPS .702

2019 VS Lefties: 114 wRC+, .342 wOBA, .270/.317/.513, OPS .831

 

 

The platoon would be equivalent to a 120 wRC+ bat.

 

Our Manager, doesn't do that!

[Terminator]

Come on guys we pinch hit with Joe Panik today. Our bench is trash almost anyone with a pulse is an improvement. Vlad, Tellez, and Vogelbach is most definitely not ideal but between the 3 of them we’ve got a 1B, DH and pinch hitter each game now.

[Terminator]

We probably should have had McKinney up to fill the role that Vogelbach will be taking but whatever.

[saskjayfan]

Come on guys we pinch hit with Joe Panik today. Our bench is trash almost anyone with a pulse is an improvement. Vlad, Tellez, and Vogelbach is most definitely not ideal but between the 3 of them we’ve got a 1B, DH and pinch hitter each game now.

 

I wonder if Rowdy might be involved in a pending trade. With that trio we must be one of the slowest teams in the league. I looked up Vogelbach's sprint speed. It's 24.1 feet per second. Vlad is 24.9 and Rowdy is 25.2 this year.

[BlueRocky]

I wonder if Rowdy might be involved in a pending trade. With that trio we must be one of the slowest teams in the league. I looked up Vogelbach's sprint speed. It's 24.1 feet per second. Vlad is 24.9 and Rowdy is 25.2 this year.

 

The Blue Jays were collectively one of the fastest teams by sprint speed.

Even our catcher grades above average.

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/fastest-mlb-teams-2020

 

#1) Blue Jays -- Speed score: +19.6

Fastest player: Teoscar Hernández -- 29.1 ft/sec

Number of above-average runners: 7

 

Speed peaks young. The Blue Jays are young. OK, so Vladimir Guerrero Jr. (26.3 ft/sec) is there to hit rockets, not tear up the basepaths. But fellow legacies Bo Bichette (28.4 ft/sec) and Cavan Biggio (28.3 ft/sec) are fast -- Biggio stole 14 bases as a rookie without being caught a single time. Even catcher Danny Jansen (27.3 ft/sec) has above-average speed, which only six of the league's expected starting catchers have.

[BigCecil]

Hmmm. Not sure who to put my money on now in the Jays 1B/DH hot dog eating contest.

[saskjayfan]

The Blue Jays were collectively one of the fastest teams by sprint speed in 2019.

Even our catcher grades above average.

 

We don't grade out that well this year..lol. Danny is quite fast for a catcher. He has league average speed. Unfortunately our 2 fastest runners are Grichuk and Teoscar, who have terrible base running instincts. Vlad is a lot slower this year and we've added Shaw who is very slow and now Vogelbach who is now the slowest on the team.

[saskjayfan]

The Blue Jays were collectively one of the fastest teams by sprint speed.

Even our catcher grades above average.

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/fastest-mlb-teams-2020

 

That article is from march looking at last year's team. You're kidding yourself if you think we're a fast team now.

 

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/sprint_speed?year=2020&position=&team=TOR&min=10

[Dr. Dinger]

I actually didn't know Billy Butler was still playing.

[Spanky99]

Hmmm. Not sure who to put my money on now in the Jays 1B/DH hot dog eating contest.

 

Yeah, not impressive.

[EastCoaster]

This has been kind of a model for this team they seem to go for guys who had some success in the major and are down and out with their team and claim or trade for them on the low hoping to revive them back into successful form. Right off Joey Bats, EE and Smoak come to mind all guys who on the outs with their previous teams.

 

Now they picked up Vogelbauch this only mean one thing this organization doesn't trust Tellez to be able to constantly deliver in crucial situations. They first signed Shaw to be the 1st baseman then opted for Guerrero and now they just picked up Vogelbach all 1st baseman/DH type players it simply doesn't make any sense to keep all 3 for a position that others on this team can also play if needed. We know Guerrero isn't going anywhere pick up Vogelback yesterday Tellez seem like the odd man out here he has low average, low obp and a high chase rate it's kind feast or famine when he's at the plate homerun or nothing.

[Perfect Game]

Thing with vogelbach is its a bad look optics wise if you give him atbats over rowdy. The team has a bigger stake in rowdy developing into a bigger piece going forward. So if you platoon him at 1st/Dh ve rhp it means no teller vs rhp cause you sure as s*** aren't gonna take vlad out of the lineup right? That means rowdy gets the short end of the stick and that looks bad considering rowdy is a home grown player who is basically = to vogelbach and having a much better season to date. Tough sell.

 

And that's one of the things I love about our front office. Zero f***s given with regards to optics & pleasing casual fans. Trying to improve the team is their number one priority, sometimes it works & sometimes it doesn't but since all it cost was cash & some Tellez at bats why not?

[Olerud363]

2019 Daniel Vogelbach (March 1-July 31), 399 PA (100 Games):

 

.234/.363/.505, OPS .868 and 132 wRC+

16.5 BB% to 24.6 K%

.364 WOBA, .271 ISO

77 hits, 64 RBI, 25 HR, 14 doubles

 

He had a strong first half last season and made the All Star team, then fizzled out a bit. But we got him for a couple of Swiss Chalet coupons and a bag of used balls.

The dude is a good power hitter and OBP machine, he's NOT a free agent until 2025.

 

What does the process look like for finding the next Matt Stairs, Jose Bautista, Luke Voit, Gio Urshella??

 

a) dedicate to 1 guy like Rowdy

cage match between Rowdy and Vogelbach and Fisher etc.

 

I think you need to collect a lot of these 26-28ish guys and let them sort it out. Unless you have a super-computer that knows how to choose which guy, but I don't think they have that yet.

[saskjayfan]

What does the process look like for finding the next Matt Stairs, Jose Bautista, Luke Voit, Gio Urshella??

 

a) dedicate to 1 guy like Rowdy

cage match between Rowdy and Vogelbach and Fisher etc.

 

I think you need to collect a lot of these 26-28ish guys and let them sort it out. Unless you have a super-computer that knows how to choose which guy, but I don't think they have that yet.

 

Vogelbach's a couple years older and has some more plate appearances. He has much better plate discipline and is swinging at better pitches and has a league average bat for his career.

 

Rowdy chases far more bad pitches. He's improved his contact rates and isn't striking out as much despite chasing even more pitches outside the zone and he has a league average bat for his career

 

Is it easier to improve in making quality contact or improve in your plate discipline? Typically your pitch recognition and plate discipline will improve with the number of ABs you have at the MLB level but we've also seen guys who never improve. We've also seen guys make a mechanical adjustment or two and improve contact.