Rays at Bluejays Game 3 of 3

[Ex Player]

Why do people still use batting average as some sort of measure of skill?

Fair point. He had an OBP of .364 last year which is well above average

[Mikeleelop]

“If” he gets his BA up, if his ops goes up to 800.

 

I think he will regress. Remember he’s not a young guy

 

He doesn’t fit into IF with groshans bichette Martin Martinez hiraldo.

[saskjayfan]

“If” he gets his BA up, if his ops goes up to 800.

 

I think he will regress. Remember he’s not a young guy

 

He doesn’t fit into IF with groshans bichette Martin Martinez hiraldo.

 

He's 25, not 30.

[Abomination]

Hernandez has horrible plate discipline. He will regress to his career average as teams stop throwing him fastballs. Guerrero has super discipline in the minors, we don’t see that w Toronto. He swings at way too many bad pitches.

 

Biggio will not be an above average MLB player - why is he batting leadoff?

 

Biggio has put up 2.9 WAR in his first 500 PA, with a 114 wRC+. That's bordering on top 100 in baseball territory.

[BigCecil]

“If” he gets his BA up, if his ops goes up to 800.

 

I think he will regress. Remember he’s not a young guy

 

He doesn’t fit into IF with groshans bichette Martin Martinez hiraldo.

 

Glad we didn’t apply that deep “analysis” to Edwin and Jose. Biggio has been more than I expected so far and has lots of upside with his approach.

[Ex Player]

“If” he gets his BA up, if his ops goes up to 800.

 

I think he will regress. Remember he’s not a young guy

He had an OPS of .793 last year. It was his rookie year. He's only 25 so he's probably 5 years away from reaching his prime, which means he can only get better. I have to disagree with you, sorry

[Deadpool]

Hernandez has horrible plate discipline. He will regress to his career average as teams stop throwing him fastballs. Guerrero has super discipline in the minors, we don’t see that w Toronto. He swings at way too many bad pitches.

 

Biggio will not be an above average MLB player - why is he batting leadoff?

 

Ahh, the ol' "eye test", no way that could be off.

[Spanky99]

Except for the part where Hernandez has been on fire since the second half of last season, and that Guerrero has a wRC+ over 150 in August and in no way at all is Biggio remotely below average, you're right on with this post.

 

Please do everyone a favour and never post again.

 

He's 25, not 30.

 

Biggio has put up 2.9 WAR in his first 500 PA, with a 114 wRC+. That's bordering on top 100 in baseball territory.

 

Glad we didn’t apply that deep “analysis” to Edwin and Jose. Biggio has been more than I expected so far and has lots of upside with his approach.

 

He had an OPS of .793 last year. It was his rookie year. He's only 25 so he's probably 5 years away from reaching his prime, which means he can only get better. I have to disagree with you, sorry

 

Ahh, the ol' "eye test", no way that could be off.

 

[Spanky99]

Why wouldn’t he be available though?? He didn’t pitch today or yesterday

 

[DigitalRock]

Hernandez has horrible plate discipline. He will regress to his career average as teams stop throwing him fastballs. Guerrero has super discipline in the minors, we don’t see that w Toronto. He swings at way too many bad pitches.

 

Biggio will not be an above average MLB player - why is he batting leadoff?

 

Worst post of the year Nominee.

 

People need to relax, this is an odd season, team did not have a home until season started, team has been in most games. I think coaching is an issue with the team, they are very young in a bizarre season. What's with the sky is falling BS?

[Spanky99]

Carapazza's a douche, Shoemaker on the ejection...

 

[Boxcar]

Why do people still use batting average as some sort of measure of skill?

 

In this case because Biggio's BABIP is low while his walk rate and power are fine. Batting average is referring to when the balls he hits regress to the mean in terms of ending up as hits.

[spats]

first base coach needs to motivate him with treats

 

They need to sit his fat ass down for a couple games.

[Olerud363]

Worst post of the year Nominee.

 

People need to relax, this is an odd season, team did not have a home until season started, team has been in most games. I think coaching is an issue with the team, they are very young in a bizarre season. What's with the sky is falling BS?

 

It's a bizarre season, but every element of "sky is falling" has arrived in the first 18 games. Fans want to believe there organization is "good" and not incompetent like the Orioles. Good organizations have the following qualities (some of which may be luck, but fans tend to assign credit to the organization for good luck).

 

1. Development - Players come up from the minors and meet or exceed expectations.

 

A mixed bag, but since Guerrero is under performing it gives the impression the organization isn't developing players. In reality the Bo/Biggio/Guerrero group is probably meeting expectations,

 

2. Fundamentals - Good organizations have good fundamentals. This team has horrible fundamentals.

 

3. In game management - Not that important in my opinion, but this message board seems to love dissing Charlie about every miscue that costs 1/100 of a win... so the focus on Charlie's blunders gives more of a sky is falling feel.

 

4. On base percentage - Good organizations get on base... years ago bad organizations didn't even think they needed to get on base, now bad organizations know they have to get on base, but don't have the coaching, swing mechanics and pitch sequence preparations the good organizations do.

 

5. Health - nothing really too out of line yet, I don't think... baseball teams get injuries, when the closer and one star get injured it makes it seem there is a problem, even if there isn't.

 

6. Minor league development -- there is none this year... so in a normal year if the sky was falling you could look at the minors and have hope.

 

In this small sample size of a season every piece of data so far indicates the sky is falling, even if it isn't long term. Low on base percentage, bad fundamentals, bad in game management, star player injured. Frustrating late inning losses.