Luhnow and Hinch Suspensions

[Spanky99]

???

 

f***ing around Brownie, lol

[Spanky99]

100%

 

This is turning an already wild controversy into a full-blown conspiracy theory.

 

And all because Twitter did what Twitter does best, finding photo and video evidence that could suggest the presence of those buzzers, generating enough noise that MLB felt compelled to respond, saying it "found no evidence" of wearable devices during its investigation.

 

These buzzer rumours aren't supported by actual evidence, so don't mislead yourselves into thinking they're anything more than internet rumblings.

 

It's actually all because of Beltran's niece, (joyboy?) and many other affiliates, main credibility to me is Bauer.

 

She tweeted to look out for Yankees Torrez left leg, lol.

[Beans]

It's actually all because of Beltran's niece, (joyboy?) and many other affiliates, main credibility to me is Bauer.

So internet rumblings, basically.

 

I'll wait for actual evidence. If it's out there, it'll come to light.

[Beans]

Guys, this is obviously a terrible look for Houston.

 

The Astros were either

 

(1) one of the best teams in baseball and they cheated,

 

or

 

2) one of the best teams in baseball because they cheated.

 

What do you guys think? 1 or 2?

Edited January 18, 2020 by Beans

[Spanky99]

So internet rumblings, basically.

 

I'll wait for actual evidence. If it's out there, it'll come to light.

 

Exactly.

[DigitalRock]

I find it fascinating how much people choose to read into stuff. I mean for me - Altuve's simply doing something playful at home plate with his teammates after one of the biggest moments of his life. It reminds me of how Adrian Beltre didn't want teammates to touch his helmet. I mean these guys see and are involved with the walk off celebrations throughout their careers and it's not unreasonable to think Altuve may have thought about how he'd react in that moment the next time he hit a walkoff (I believe these guys do visualization stuff regularly). Similar to how football players have planned TD celebrations. In one of the biggest moments of his life - it is reasonable to think he'd remember something he'd planned? or would the mind go blank in excitement? I don't know the answer to that and suggest only a fool would think they do.

 

Also - in this scenario (where he has to warn his teammates not to rip off his jersey), you'd have to assume that either his teammates didn't know about it, or that he didn't wear it all the time (perhaps only in certain situations). If they wore it all year long, then surely the team would be well aware and know not to rip his jersey off. I guess either of those could be true. Personally, I have no idea if he did, or didn't and won't generate a firm opinion or view without more evidence (has their been any evidence? or right, there isn't).

 

Agree to dis-agree, Altuve's was being playful? That makes no sense, nor did his answer in the interview. His teammates in jubilation prob would not think of it in the heat of the moment and was reminding them, maybe not all of them even knew.... There is way too much smoke there imo. Many things don't add up. Trevor Bauer is on my side bro lol.

 

The road/home splits are very telling.

[Spanky99]

Agree to dis-agree, Altuve's was being playful? That makes no sense, nor did his answer in the interview. His teammates in jubilation prob would not think of it in the heat of the moment and was reminding them, maybe not all of them even knew.... There is way too much smoke there imo. Many things don't add up. Trevor Bauer is on my side bro lol.

 

The road/home splits are very telling.

 

The theory still doesn't hold s***.

[PhillyBlueJay]

 

"Doing things the right way" "pride in being a leader" "integrity" "not who I am"

 

f*** off Carlos, the report implicated you more than any other player:

 

"Approximately two months into the 2017 season, a group of players, including Carlos Beltrán, discussed that the team could improve on decoding opposing teams’ signs and communicating the signs to the batter. Cora arranged for a video room technician to install a monitor displaying the center field camera feed immediately outside of the Astros’ dugout."

 

Thank you for saying “f*** off Carlos”...

 

We were all thinking this and it needed to be said even though we are all thinking this lol!

[Beans]

Astros Fan Fest is tomorrow...

[TheHurl]

Astros Fan Fest is tomorrow...

 

The underdog story...the team accused of cheating coming out to prove they can do it clean. Disney already secured the rights.

[Bobthe4th]

Astros Fan Fest is tomorrow...

 

I'm going to be in Houston when the season opens. I'll go to a game or two and I guarantee there will be signs held up by the fans saying something like "worth it"! It'll be an interesting crowd atmosphere though!

[max silver]

A few days back The Athletic ran a piece with John Lott interviewing Jays bench coach Dave Hudgens about his thoughts on the Astros cheating scandal. As you would expect Hudgens offered very little in the way of opinions during the interview, other than to state that he thinks that using technology in game to steal signs is wrong. The general consensus among commenters for the story seems to be that since Hudgens was the hitting coach for the Astros during this scandal, that he should be dismissed from his job with the Blue Jays. What are thoughts on this from others here on BJMB?

 

My view is that Hudgens was essentially exonerated by MLB, in that he received no sanctions or suspension from MLB after their investigation. I think if Hudgens would have been found to have played any kind of role in implementing the sign stealing and relaying scheme he would have received the same suspension that Luhnow and Hinch received. This was mostly a player driven scheme, and aside from Cora, the players were the main driving force behind this mess. It seems pointless to me for the Jays to dismiss Hudgens from his current position based on assumptions that he must be guilty as he was the hitting coach.

[Bobthe4th]

A few days back The Athletic ran a piece with John Lott interviewing Jays bench coach Dave Hudgens about his thoughts on the Astros cheating scandal. As you would expect Hudgens offered very little in the way of opinions during the interview, other than to state that he thinks that using technology in game to steal signs is wrong. The general consensus among commenters for the story seems to be that since Hudgens was the hitting coach for the Astros during this scandal, that he should be dismissed from his job with the Blue Jays. What are thoughts on this from others here on BJMB?

 

He must have known they were doing it, but yeah he wasn't directly implicated in the report so IMO he should be ok. It's not like he'll be doing post game interviews so there probably won't be much media pressure either.

[Beans]

A few days back The Athletic ran a piece with John Lott interviewing Jays bench coach Dave Hudgens about his thoughts on the Astros cheating scandal. As you would expect Hudgens offered very little in the way of opinions during the interview, other than to state that he thinks that using technology in game to steal signs is wrong. The general consensus among commenters for the story seems to be that since Hudgens was the hitting coach for the Astros during this scandal, that he should be dismissed from his job with the Blue Jays. What are thoughts on this from others here on BJMB?

 

My view is that Hudgens was essentially exonerated by MLB, in that he received no sanctions or suspension from MLB after their investigation. I think if Hudgens would have been found to have played any kind of role in implementing the sign stealing and relaying scheme he would have received the same suspension that Luhnow and Hinch received. This was mostly a player driven scheme, and aside from Cora, the players were the main driving force behind this mess. It seems pointless to me for the Jays to dismiss Hudgens from his current position based on assumptions that he must be guilty as he was the hitting coach.

He was probably privy to the way they were cheating, and his job involves watching video, so it stands to reason that he was doubtless among the 60 interviews MLB completed in their investigation.

 

In all their sleuthing—including reading over 76,000 emails—they found everything pointed to Cora and Beltran. Their names were highlighted, but not disciplined. And the reason was that the MLB policy on this stuff, going back to 2017, was that the buck stops with the manager and, ultimately, the general manager, so they were the ones suspended.

 

And, come on, I'm sure MLB would have rather pinned the whole thing on coaches than players, so if they had found anything worth mentioning on Hudgens he would have been named in the final report.

 

I say leave him alone.

[Beans]

[Brownie19]

He was probably privy to the way they were cheating, and his job involves watching video, so it stands to reason that he was doubtless among the 60 interviews MLB completed in their investigation.

 

In all their sleuthing—including reading over 76,000 emails—they found everything pointed to Cora and Beltran. Their names were highlighted, but not disciplined. And the reason was that the MLB policy on this stuff, going back to 2017, was that the buck stops with the manager and, ultimately, the general manager, so they were the ones suspended.

 

And, come on, I'm sure MLB would have rather pinned the whole thing on coaches than players, so if they had found anything worth mentioning on Hudgens he would have been named in the final report.

 

I say leave him alone.

 

I feel sorry for the interns who got assigned to this.

[Bobthe4th]

[TBJ12]

 

If Verlander was on the other side of this he'd be the loudest protestor in the room.

[Beans]

Look at what an angry Astros fan named Tony Adams spent the last few weeks doing:

 

I’m an Astros fan. They cheated during the 2017 regular season — the evidence is clear. In an attempt to understand the scope of the cheating and the players involved, I decided to listen to every pitch from the Astros’ 2017 home games and log any banging noise I could detect. These are the results of my efforts. I’ve logged over 8,200 pitches and found banging before over 1,100 of those pitches.

 

 

This is very interesting:

 

Games available: 58

Pitches watched: 8,274

Trash can bangs: 1,143 (13.8% of pitches)

 

And even more interesting is that the frequency of bangs fell abruptly on Sep. 22, which was the day after the Astros nearly got caught in the act by the White Sox.

 

I'm going to post this in the Altuve poll thread: Bangs could be heard in 18.1% of the pitches that Carlos Beltrán, the only player implicated in the commissioner's report, faced during the 58 games covered in the study (similar percentages for Gattis, Bregman, Correa, Springer, Gonzalez, and Gurriel) But check this: that number plummets to 2.8% for José Altuve.

 

http://signstealingscandal.com/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiossports&stream=top

[Abomination]

Look at what an angry Astros fan named Tony Adams spent the last few weeks doing:

 

 

This is very interesting:

 

Games available: 58

Pitches watched: 8,274

Trash can bangs: 1,143 (13.8% of pitches)

 

And even more interesting is that the frequency of bangs fell abruptly on Sep. 22, which was the day after the Astros nearly got caught in the act by the White Sox.

 

I'm going to post this in the Altuve poll thread: Bangs could be heard in 18.1% of the pitches that Carlos Beltrán, the only player implicated in the commissioner's report, faced during the 58 games covered in the study (similar percentages for Gattis, Bregman, Correa, Springer, Gonzalez, and Gurriel) But check this: that number plummets to 2.8% for José Altuve.

 

http://signstealingscandal.com/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiossports&stream=top

 

It's fascinating, both in how widespread it was, and that someone was dedicated/bored enough to sit through all the games and catalogue it.

[DigitalRock]

If Verlander was on the other side of this he'd be the loudest protestor in the room.

 

Absolutely...dude is a hypocrite.

[Beans]

It's fascinating, both in how widespread it was, and that someone was dedicated/bored enough to sit through all the games and catalogue it.

What's really fascinating is that some random fan did it and not an actual journalist.

[King]

 

Stroman

 

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[Grant77]

Look at what an angry Astros fan named Tony Adams spent the last few weeks doing:

 

 

 

 

This is very interesting:

 

Games available: 58

Pitches watched: 8,274

Trash can bangs: 1,143 (13.8% of pitches)

 

And even more interesting is that the frequency of bangs fell abruptly on Sep. 22, which was the day after the Astros nearly got caught in the act by the White Sox.

 

I'm going to post this in the Altuve poll thread: Bangs could be heard in 18.1% of the pitches that Carlos Beltrán, the only player implicated in the commissioner's report, faced during the 58 games covered in the study (similar percentages for Gattis, Bregman, Correa, Springer, Gonzalez, and Gurriel) But check this: that number plummets to 2.8% for José Altuve.

 

http://signstealingscandal.com/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiossports&stream=top

 

That would seem to support the idea that he was wearing a buzzer instead.

[wilko]

[Beans]

At least there is talk of new rules coming soon. At the Owners’ meeting last Thursday, Manfred said “I think you should assume that before the season starts, we will have new guidelines with respect to the use of video equipment.”

 

And then he added, “I think we have too much video available in real time right now.”

 

I think it's going to limit who is allowed in the instant-reply review/video room (no players, probably) and what can be watched (nothing in real time, I bet).

[Boxcar]

 

Rob Manfred is suuuuch a f***ing moron. I want to be charitable but he honestly seems like the most gullible idiot on earth.

[Deadpool]

Rob Manfred is suuuuch a f***ing moron. I want to be charitable but he honestly seems like the most gullible idiot on earth.

 

It's astounding that they replaced Bud Selig with someone who seems even worse than Bud f***ing Selig.

[Brownie19]

What is your position on using 'code breaker' to teach players to steal signs (and relay them to the batter) while on 2nd base?

 

I believe people generally believe stealing signs while on 2nd base is fair game - but what if they get better at it by studying film and using an algorithm program (much like they do to learn pitchers tendencies for pitch types used in certain situations). As long as you're not using the program in-game...is it OK?

[Nofunatall]

Let the fallout begin: Bolsinger suing the Stros..