Blue Jays sign Shun Yamaguchi from the NPB to a 2 year contract

[Spanky99]

What is Writers Bloc and who said this?

 

Former PTS... BNS.

[DigitalRock]

The rotation posted above is horrible on paper. On the mound, probably horrible.

 

Hoping for lightning in a bottle from 4 of your 5 starters is not a good look.

 

100 loss season coming up. Hope y'all like rebuild year 2.

[RobinThicc]

Cool signing I guess. Dont have anything to lose.

[saskjayfan]

Cool signing I guess. Dont have anything to lose.

 

The signing itself is fine. If they now feel they don't need to sign ryu because of this signing, that's beyond pathetic.

[Spanky99]

TBF the rotation will look very different in a year or two. Roark and Anderson are just placeholder innings eaters until we know which prospects will stick, Shoemaker will get injured, and Shun will likely end up as an opener / reliever.

 

TBF we're missing a window of elite pitching as it'll only be tougher to sign guys next year as the FA class is thin as f***, for the next two years, we can't get anyone worth a lick at the moment.

[Spanky99]

The signing itself is fine. If they now feel they don't need to sign ryu because of this signing, that's beyond pathetic.

 

Nah, I can't see that.

[jays4life19]

TBF we're missing a window of elite pitching as it'll only be tougher to sign guys next year as the FA class is thin as f***, for the next two years, we can't get anyone worth a lick at the moment.

 

I wouldn't really say thin as f***. Trevor Bauer, Robbie Ray, James Paxton, Masahiro Tanaka, Jake Arrieta (club option), Marcus Stroman, Jose Quintana. And then the following year! (yes i know lots can change) = Noah Syndergaard, Clayton Kershaw, Corey Kluber, Max Scherzer, Justin Verlander, Zack Greinke, Chris Archer, Mike Foltynewicz

[saskjayfan]

Nah, I can't see that.

 

well then this off season has been an abject failure.

[RobinThicc]

The signing itself is fine. If they now feel they don't need to sign ryu because of this signing, that's beyond pathetic.

 

I doubt this signing will stop them from doing anything. And they werent going to sign Ryu regardless, so its whatever even if it does.

[Spanky99]

I wouldn't really say thin as f***. Trevor Bauer, Robbie Ray, James Paxton, Masahiro Tanaka, Jake Arrieta (club option), Marcus Stroman, Jose Quintana. And then the following year! (yes i know lots can change) = Noah Syndergaard, Clayton Kershaw, Corey Kluber, Max Scherzer, Justin Verlander, Zack Greinke, Chris Archer, Mike Foltynewicz

 

Nothing near as good as it was this season. Top teams will be in again as they shed skin.

[Spanky99]

well then this off season has been an abject failure.

 

Can't say I don't fall far back in line, dude. There's still guys out there, but...

[Maico450]

Good signing. Can fit into multiple roles, from SP-Opener-late reliever. Has no affect on anything else the Jays choose to do. I would still like the FO to sign both Keuchel and Teheran

and there is nothing here to stop those moves.

Edited December 18, 2019 by Maico450

[saskjayfan]

Shatkins won't be with this team next off season

[Amok]

And that rotation was better entering the year than this one as currently constructed.

 

There is still definitely time to improve it, it's just a shock to the conscience to see our "ace" projected to have a 5.16 ERA.

 

ZIP is always high with their ERAs.

 

Tanner Roark is a career 3.71ERA pitcher. His ERA for the last three years is 4.45. I don't think he is amazing but I don't think he will post a 5.16ERA.

 

Keith Law is high on him

The Blue Jays signed one of the better second-tier free-agent starting pitchers on the market, Tanner Roark, who has been steady and durable for four seasons now, and who may have been affected by the Happy Fun Ball more than the average pitcher. He even stayed homer-prone after a trade to Oakland, whose home park tends to be very friendly to fly-ball pitchers. His slider has been his best pitch for years, but its break was reduced in 2019, and my hypothesis is that the changes to the baseball's physical characteristics were the cause.

 

If I'm right, and the baseball gets somewhere back to normal, Roark could get back to the 3+ WAR territory he was in before the ball changed. Even at just 2 WAR, though, he's fair value or better for the Jays at $12 million a year for two years, and gives Toronto some needed bulk in its rotation.

 

Now I not sure he will return to a 3 WAR pitcher but he is a good bet for 2.0 to 2.5 this year.

[Spanky99]

Shatkins won't be with this team next off season

 

Shapiro didn't think that on TV today?

[saskjayfan]

Shapiro didn't think that on TV today?

 

and yet is lack of an extension suggests his confidence may be misplaced.

[Spanky99]

and yet is lack of an extension suggests his confidence may be misplaced.

 

Or he knows something we don't know? They've been talking extension for awhile.

[Todd]

Here is a question for you. Does this signing help in any way the jays

signing Ryu?

[Laika]

Here is a question for you. Does this signing help in any way the jays

signing Ryu?

 

Well Yamaguchi and Ryu are

from different countries

here is a quesiton for you

are you a f***ing racist?

[jaysguy44]

Well Yamaguchi and Ryu are

from different countries

here is a quesiton for you

are you a f***ing racist?

 

Hahahaha oh shad up

[Maico450]

Well Yamaguchi and Ryu are

from different countries

here is a quesiton for you

are you a f***ing racist?

 

They could sit around and have quiet discussions of the 2nd WW.

[TheHurl]

Gotta love running a Rays-like payroll when the projected Opening Day rotation projects to be about 5 WAR total and not a single pitcher is projected to crack a 5 ERA.

 

 

We finally have the depth to throw out a Rays type strategy to run a projected 5 fWAR rotation into a sub 4.00 ERA 12 WAR staff. Now we find out if they have the smarts to maximize what we have

[Krylian]

Setup man or opener for Yami?

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Well Yamaguchi and Ryu are

from different countries

here is a quesiton for you

are you a f***ing racist?

 

Jesus, you need to take a breath.

[glory]

We finally have the depth to throw out a Rays type strategy to run a projected 5 fWAR rotation into a sub 4.00 ERA 12 WAR staff. Now we find out if they have the smarts to maximize what we have

 

Looking at the 40 man roster, I think that's the direction they plan on going in until Pearson and others come up. They already have Font who has had success as an opener. Yamaguchi might be someone who could succeed in a similar role. They have a bunch of fringey SP types on the 40 man roster who may not be successful 180-200 IP starters but use them after openers and they could maximize their talent. I'm not sure how Montoyo is going to pull it off, but I expect them to use it a lot. Roark and Anderson might be the only guys who consistently start games, and that's only because they could get through 5 innings whether they are on or not.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Looking at the 40 man roster, I think that's the direction they plan on going in until Pearson and others come up. They already have Font who has had success as an opener. Yamaguchi might be someone who could succeed in a similar role. They have a bunch of fringey SP types on the 40 man roster who may not be successful 180-200 IP starters but use them after openers and they could maximize their talent. I'm not sure how Montoyo is going to pull it off, but I expect them to use it a lot. Roark and Anderson might be the only guys who consistently start games, and that's only because they could get through 5 innings whether they are on or not.

 

I keep forgetting how effective the opener strategy worked last year for the Jays. It could really make for some interesting pitching numbers in 2020. I don't think SP, or bulk pitchers, will be allowed to go through a lineup three times unless they are super effective and have 3+ pitches working.

[Grant77]

If the pitcher is Japenese and he throws some variation of the pitch there's like a 35% chance it's a forkball just because, even if there's no discernible difference in grip and movement.

 

Names are not applied scientifically by any means, but a forkball usually has a slightly different grip (not on the laces) and is slower than a split fingered fastball. It's a bit like a changeup where you palm it more to reduce the velocity.

[saskjayfan]

We finally have the depth to throw out a Rays type strategy to run a projected 5 fWAR rotation into a sub 4.00 ERA 12 WAR staff. Now we find out if they have the smarts to maximize what we have

 

That's hilarious.

[Orgfiller]

Names are not applied scientifically by any means, but a forkball usually has a slightly different grip (not on the laces) and is slower than a split fingered fastball. It's a bit like a changeup where you palm it more to reduce the velocity.

 

You can see the actual grip that he uses in the video I posted before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Ky2WwnJn8 at the 7:20 mark. I guess it is a forkball but it's so similar to the splitter grip that it's very difficult to tell the difference.

[TheHurl]

That's hilarious.

 

if you don't like it than I suggest that you become a fan of a different team. Cause honestly it's likely the direction they go. Rays have 12 or so pitchers end up between 40 and 100 innings (depending on injuries it's been as many as 15 in the past 3 years). This is what the Jays should be looking at...not just with the current group, moving forward as well. In the end you have to cover approx 1450 innings. If you have the starters to cover 900 of those (Mets, Indians, Astros and Nats were the only ones that did last year) then of course you do that. Jays don't have a Morton, but they do have the ability to match the 11 fWAR the Rays got from the other 525 innings from starters (which is why I think they should be shooting for a 12-15 WAR starting staff). Guys like Ryan Yarborough, Jalen Beeks, Drake, Chirinos, Roe, Kolarek, Kitteredge are not any more talented than the pitchers we have. We have to learn how to use what we have properly. Spend on improving the offense.