Offseason Roster Thread 2019-2020

[Barkerfan23]

One thing about JPR

 

When he got the money he spent. A few things didnt work out and he was let down by choices

 

But he went for if.

 

AA went for it too

 

These guys are just kicking around the can imo

[saskjayfan]

At the very least we should be going after guys like Salazaar and Wood, but you need that second year option.

[glory]

 

Heyman has a rep as a puppet for Boras so probably just noise but it’s something.

[Orgfiller]

 

Heyman has a rep as a puppet for Boras so probably just noise but it’s something.

 

Damn I didn't know Ryu was a Boras client too. He really does control the free agent market. Guy has the top 3 names in Rendon, Cole and Strasburg, and also represents Moustakas who got a great deal, Ryu, Keuchel, and Castellanos. That's insane.

[Todd]

Isn't that what he has said for the last three years.

[jays4life19]

Isn't that what he has said for the last three years.

 

Hey buddy! Long time. How ya been?

[saskjayfan]

Fun Fact....We have 18 mil on the books for 2021 and 4 of that is Tulo...15 mil in 2022. Now that's hilarious.

[Krylian]

That would mean overpaying for a guy.

 

That's pretty much what Free Agency is. Paying more than anyone else is willing to.

[saskjayfan]

That's pretty much what Free Agency is. Paying more than anyone else is willing to.

 

I'm all for overpaying to get some guys in. 18 million next year without any major arbitration salaries. That's pathetic. Rogers needs to spend some dough.

[Dick_Pole]

Enough with the loser narrative "no player wants to come to a bad team".

 

Do you think the FO is just sitting on their hands with all this? Yeah the Jays had a bad record last year. They also have a reasonable expectation to significantly improve this year and in the following years. As a destination, the Jays have 2015 and 2016 to build off of. They have an owner willing to spend. They even have the Raptors this year if you want to use the "Toronto is a world class sports city" spiel. They have Shapiro's record in Cleveland.

 

Any presentation from the FO to a free agent will show:

 

a. We have a solid core of young players and strong farm to build a contender.

b. We have the ability to pay you AND others to come in to accelerate and lengthen the contention window.

c. We have a decent track record in Cleveland.

d. Toronto is a world class city for reasons A, B, C etc...

 

Don't tell me for a second that the Blue Jays are not a top ten destination in the MLB. It's all on Atkins to communicate that point.

[EZe]

Fun Fact....We have 18 mil on the books for 2021 and 4 of that is Tulo...15 mil in 2022. Now that's hilarious.

 

That’s why you overpay to get the best Starter with the lowest chance of bust, Cole. This opportunity is not available every year. $250M/7

[Krylian]

I'm all for overpaying to get some guys in. 18 million next year without any major arbitration salaries. That's pathetic. Rogers needs to spend some dough.

 

They have no appetite for any sort of risk.

 

Good luck with that.

[saskjayfan]

I believe in this core. Vlad, Bichette, Gurriel, biggio, Pearson. They are all here next year. I make fun of Grichuk, but I think he bounces back to be a 2 win player.

 

The Rays, A's and Twins all made the playoffs without perfect lineups. Go get Ryu. There's a lot cheap high upside arms out there. Lindblom, Walker, Wood, Salazaar, Pineda. You could pick up two of those guys without breaking the bank. Eddie on a one year, Tsutsugo....you could get both without spending a fortune. They could acquire enough talent to have an outside shot this year, and if it doesn't work out sell at the deadline and the payroll commitments would not be long term so you wouldn't jeopardize your ability to sign free agents in the future.

 

Who knows really. They may surprise us and spend some money and get some guys in here. There's still time, but patience isn't really my strong suit...lol

[Krylian]

That’s why you overpay to get the best Starter with the lowest chance of bust, Cole. This opportunity is not available every year. $250M/6

 

The Jays are able to spend about $100M on the right guy. They have ZERO intention of dipping into the elite FA market.

[saskjayfan]

Enough with the loser narrative "no player wants to come to a bad team".

 

Do you think the FO is just sitting on their hands with all this? Yeah the Jays had a bad record last year. They also have a reasonable expectation to significantly improve this year and in the following years. As a destination, the Jays have 2015 and 2016 to build off of. They have an owner willing to spend. They even have the Raptors this year if you want to use the "Toronto is a world class sports city" spiel. They have Shapiro's record in Cleveland.

 

Any presentation from the FO to a free agent will show:

 

a. We have a solid core of young players and strong farm to build a contender.

b. We have the ability to pay you AND others to come in to accelerate and lengthen the contention window.

c. We have a decent track record in Cleveland.

d. Toronto is a world class city for reasons A, B, C etc...

 

Don't tell me for a second that the Blue Jays are not a top ten destination in the MLB. It's all on Atkins to communicate that point.

 

Literally every media article references the challenge of getting guys to come to the Jays. They certainly don't make it sound like the Jays are a top 10 destination. I'm sure for some of the more open minded players Toronto clearly is a top 10 destination.

 

Really any big free agent they are in on should be flown in and taken to a Raptors game and have Masai take him out to dinner. Masai has more Charisma in his left pinky finger than anyone in the Jays organization.

[EZe]

They have no appetite for any sort of risk.

 

Good luck with that.

 

Unfortunately I believe you are right. It limits our potential.

[Spanky99]

I'm all for overpaying to get some guys in. 18 million next year without any major arbitration salaries. That's pathetic. Rogers needs to spend some dough.

 

There's a post literally 20 posts up, that Atkins has a 100M of payroll flexibility?

[Krylian]

Literally every media article references the challenge of getting guys to come to the Jays. They certainly don't make it sound like the Jays are a top 10 destination. I'm sure for some of the more open minded players Toronto clearly is a top 10 destination.

 

Really any big free agent they are in on should be flown in and taken to a Raptors game and have Masai take him out to dinner. Masai has more Charisma in his left pinky finger than anyone in the Jays organization.

 

Yup. Get Gerrit Cole here and have Masai show him a good time. Good plan...until he ends up signing with the Raptors.

[saskjayfan]

There's a post literally 20 posts up, that Atkins has a 100M of payroll flexibility?

 

I'm just stating what's currently on the books for next year...Grichuk Gurriel and Tulo's 4 mil without any big arbitration numbers and bunch of league mins. I'm not saying they won't spend next year, I'm just saying there's a crap ton of room.

[saskjayfan]

Yup. Get Gerrit Cole here and have Masai show him a good time. Good plan...until he ends up signing with the Raptors.

 

I didn't even mean it as a slight to the people working in the Jays organization. Masai is one of the most charismatic GMs in professional sports.

[Brownie19]

I believe in this core. Vlad, Bichette, Gurriel, biggio, Pearson. They are all here next year. I make fun of Grichuk, but I think he bounces back to be a 2 win player.

 

The Rays, A's and Twins all made the playoffs without perfect lineups. Go get Ryu. There's a lot cheap high upside arms out there. Lindblom, Walker, Wood, Salazaar, Pineda. You could pick up two of those guys without breaking the bank. Eddie on a one year, Tsutsugo....you could get both without spending a fortune. They could acquire enough talent to have an outside shot this year, and if it doesn't work out sell at the deadline and the payroll commitments would not be long term so you wouldn't jeopardize your ability to sign free agents in the future.

 

Who knows really. They may surprise us and spend some money and get some guys in here. There's still time, but patience isn't really my strong suit...lol

 

This is one of the best posts I've ever seen from you man. Can't say I disagree. Ryu scares the crap out of me, but I think the point is made.

[Spanky99]

The Jays are able to spend about $100M on the right guy. They have ZERO intention of dipping into the elite FA market.

 

That's most opinion, I doubt it either, but zero intention? It's as if you're an employee.

[Krylian]

That's most opinion, I doubt it either, but zero intention? It's as if you're an employee.

 

If they had any intention they wouldn't cap themselves at around the $100m figure as the elite guys are at least double that. $100m will get you very good, but not what it'll take to get the best of the best done.

 

The writing is on the wall... You just need to not be afraid to read it.

[Spanky99]

If they had any intention they wouldn't cap themselves at around the $100m figure as the elite guys are at least double that. $100m will get you very good, but not what it'll take to get the best of the best done.

 

The writing is on the wall... You just need to not be afraid to read it.

 

He said they have the flexibility to pay a 100M to free agents this year? The writing is in the tweet, read it.

 

[Spanky99]

Terminator that was a quick delete.

[Bobthe4th]

Literally every media article references the challenge of getting guys to come to the Jays. They certainly don't make it sound like the Jays are a top 10 destination. I'm sure for some of the more open minded players Toronto clearly is a top 10 destination.

 

Really any big free agent they are in on should be flown in and taken to a Raptors game and have Masai take him out to dinner. Masai has more Charisma in his left pinky finger than anyone in the Jays organization.

 

Yeah anyone that thinks we are are a top ten destination right now is deluding themselves. Once the core developes and we start winning though, we should be a realistic destination for top guys again.

[John Balkabella]

Would a Ken Giles for Dustin May trade make sense for both teams? Especially if the Dodgers sign a top FA pitcher, could be fair value.

[Todd]

I'm doing good. and you.

Hopefully by the end of next week this team has three or four new players

on it that will get them closer to contention. And one more thing if the jays

do end up trading Ken Giles hopefully the jays get more then what Baltimore

got for Dylan in his trade,

[Abomination]

Would a Ken Giles for Dustin May trade make sense for both teams? Especially if the Dodgers sign a top FA pitcher, could be fair value.

 

Pretty much no chance. They'd probably give us Joc for Giles, but that doesn't fit our timeline.

 

Maybe we could get something like Josiah Gray and DJ Peters.

[Jimcanuck]

Fun Fact....We have 18 mil on the books for 2021 and 4 of that is Tulo...15 mil in 2022. Now that's hilarious.

 

It's awesome.

 

Jays should take on Pujols contract with a real nice sweetener so the Angels can go get Cole.