The Blue Jays acquire Thomas Hatch from the Cubs for David Phelps

[z3r0s]

Even if he is exposed if not on the 40-man, its not like this guy would be automatically picked in a rule 5, let alone carried all year by a claiming team

[Brownie19]

If this guy has to be on the 40 man I'm not sure I like this trade at all.

 

What's up with you lately?

[Abomination]

Ultimately this is a likely inconsequential move, but one where I just don't see much point. I assume he'll be a shuttle guy next year.

 

I'd rather nab even a wildcard (worse case) like a Maples or a Wick and try to fix them, because the upside is a very good reliever rather than essentially an org guy.

[DigitalRock]

Gruber's an idiot, don't mind him.

 

We actually agree on something spank man.

[Spanky99]

He shouldn't be a 40 man guy, this is only his 3rd professional season. Shouldn't need to go on the 40 man until 2021.

 

Yeah, 2021 is when he needs to be added.

[Spanky99]

Ultimately this is a likely inconsequential move, but one where I just don't see much point. I assume he'll be a shuttle guy next year.

 

I'd rather nab even a wildcard (worse case) like a Maples or a Wick and try to fix them, because the upside is a very good reliever rather than essentially an org guy.

 

Guys like Phelps are being sold for cash ATM, cause he has the extra year we snag a BP arm at worst, for 6 years worth of control? Sign me up!

[Terminator]

What's up with you lately?

 

Lol I broke my elbow wrist and f***ed up my knee.

 

It's a fine trade. Phelps sucks. Just not sure this Hatch guy is worth a 40 man spot.

[Brownie19]

Lol I broke my elbow wrist and f***ed up my knee.

 

It's a fine trade. Phelps sucks. Just not sure this Hatch guy is worth a 40 man spot.

 

Sorry to hear that man. Cheers to a speed recovery.

[Spanky99]

Lol I broke my elbow wrist and f***ed up my knee.

 

It's a fine trade. Phelps sucks. Just not sure this Hatch guy is worth a 40 man spot.

 

How'd you do that... also Hatch doesn't needed to be added?

[Brownie19]

Ultimately this is a likely inconsequential move, but one where I just don't see much point. I assume he'll be a shuttle guy next year.

 

I'd rather nab even a wildcard (worse case) like a Maples or a Wick and try to fix them, because the upside is a very good reliever rather than essentially an org guy.

 

To be fair, the scouting report says he has better 'stuff' than most of the Cubs starting pitching prospects. If we can 'fix' the control issues (ones which he didn't have in College), then there might be something there. If not, he's got a shot in the pen to fall back onto.

[Abomination]

To be fair, the scouting report says he has better 'stuff' than most of the Cubs starting pitching prospects. If we can 'fix' the control issues (ones which he didn't have in College), then there might be something there. If not, he's got a shot in the pen to fall back onto.

 

Yeah, the 'stuff' report is interesting, but doesn't seem to be reflected in the various scouting grades or stats performance (which is really all we have to go on as fans). I don't really know what to make of that. That one report aside, the issue for me is that we seem to have a bunch of Hatch type guys already. I'd like to see us try and nab a guy who can be a legit bullpen arm (a Maples or Wick, or probably a dozen other guys in their system, have that ability if they can be fixed), rather than likely a bubble guy. Wick kinda reminds me of Mayza, and a guy who probably just needs an extended opportunity to settle in.

[Deadpool]

If he hits 96 as a starter, I'm sure we could find a place for him in the pen at the very least.

[Slade]

From BA

 

Thomas Hatch, RHP

Age: 24

 

Hatch was the Cubs’ third-round selection in 2016 out of Oklahoma, where he found success using mainly a two-seamer and a slider. He worked a four-seamer into his mix in 2018 and was hit hard at Double-A Tennessee, where he’s returned in 2019. His changeup, which was below-average last year, still needs to come along for him to remain a starter. If he moves to the bullpen, he’s likely to fit in somewhere in the middle innings.

[P2F]

For Phelps, take what we can get. Some nice elements to dream on, even if the whole package is 'meh' right now.

I wonder if the two ptbnl from Tampa are going to be pitchers. Would be 5 and counting injected into the system. We need some arms for sure.

 

Yessir!

[Ex Player]

If we can 'fix' the control issues (ones which he didn't have in College), then there might be something there

Forget 2018 for a minute, so far in 2019 he has 37 BB in 100 innings, that doesnt look like control issues to me:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=hatch-000tom

[Omar]

Guys like Phelps are being sold for cash ATM, cause he has the extra year we snag a BP arm at worst, for 6 years worth of control? Sign me up!

 

 

Our whole lineup is going to consist of guys in their mid 20's......Atkins has a plan.

[gruber92]

Gruber's an idiot, don't mind him.

 

Suck a dick fat man.

[Pendleton]

http://thelogicescapesme.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/The_Hatch2.jpg

[AintNoThang]

Yeah, 2021 is when he needs to be added.

 

It says on Fangraphs he's rule 5 eligible in Dec. '19. Doesn't that mean he has to be added?

[gruber92]

Guys like Phelps are being sold for cash ATM, cause he has the extra year we snag a BP arm at worst, for 6 years worth of control? Sign me up!

 

Six years of control don't mean nothing when the player involved is AAA fodder. Arms like Phelps are best utilized when involved in a package, you get back better value that way. Go change your underwear or do something useful you dumb f***ing slug. Better yet go give Atkins a rim job moron.

[Spanky99]

Six years of control don't mean nothing when the player involved is AAA fodder. Arms like Phelps are best utilized when involved in a package, you get back better value that way. Go change your underwear or do something useful you dumb f***ing slug. Better yet go give Atkins a rim job moron.

 

Good point.

[Dr. Dinger]

Getting anyone with a high probability of being a major leaguer for Phelps seems like a coup to me. Phelps is as fungible as they get.

[Spanky99]

Six years of control don't mean nothing when the player involved is AAA fodder. Arms like Phelps are best utilized when involved in a package, you get back better value that way. Go change your underwear or do something useful you dumb f***ing slug. Better yet go give Atkins a rim job moron.

 

Nice, Phelps is worth all that work, go figure.

[jaysguy44]

Six years of control don't mean nothing when the player involved is AAA fodder. Arms like Phelps are best utilized when involved in a package, you get back better value that way. Go change your underwear or do something useful you dumb f***ing slug. Better yet go give Atkins a rim job moron.

 

Wow, this is a very good point. Impressive.

[Spanky99]

It says on Fangraphs he's rule 5 eligible in Dec. '19. Doesn't that mean he has to be added?

 

No, that's after the rule 5 draft.

[Abomination]

Looks like we gave up money in this deal too.

[Krylian]

Looks like we gave up money in this deal too.

 

What's the last deal we made that didn't cost is some money

[WryNGinger]

So we gave up a guy that doesn't matter short term because we suck for a guy that might be ok long term when we might be better. Pretty much what the Jays are supposed to be doing.

[Spanky99]

So we gave up a guy that doesn't matter short term because we suck for a guy that might be ok long term when we might be better. Pretty much what the Jays are supposed to be doing.

 

Yes, at worst.

[Spanky99]

So Smoak ain't going to Cleveland. Maybe Milwaukee.