MLB 2020 Draft

[Spanky99]

Good content, thanks fellas.

[BlueRocky]

[Spanky99]

 

Damn!

[The Cats Ass]

 

Looks like Christian Yelich to me.

[Brownie19]

That's a beautiful swing.

[jaysguy44]

 

Damn...

 

I'm extremely torn on who I want us to pick at #5

[Boxcar]

Damn...

 

I'm extremely torn on who I want us to pick at #5

 

I want the Jays to go off the board to watch people lose their minds, like when Groshans was taken.

[BlueRocky]

I want the Jays to go off the board to watch people lose their minds, like when Groshans was taken.

 

It’s likely to happen. This front office seems to put little value in industry consensus and lean towards guys that they like. They love bats with lots of power and potential solid hit tools, and large dudes that throw gas and high spin-rates. Lots of guys fit those profiles in this draft, they have options.

 

Looks like Christian Yelich to me.

 

Yeah Zac Veen’s bat has been comp’d to both Christian Yelich and Cody Bellinger. Massive 6-5, 200 and only 18 years old, serious pop from his swing and he’s athletic, potential to stay at CF. Not that far of a reach at no. 5.

 

Might be a comparable tier of prospect as Jared Kelenic at draft time.

 

Collazo has an article on Zac Veen here:

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/worth-the-wait-zac-veens-star-turn-was-years-in-the-making/

Edited March 26, 2020 by BlueRocky

[Brownie19]

BlueRocky - your posts are a ray of sunshine during the current shitnado.

 

That's a cool story. Veen seems like a true gamer. I LOVE this side of baseball.

Edited March 26, 2020 by Brownie19

[Orgfiller]

I want the Jays to go off the board to watch people lose their minds, like when Groshans was taken.

 

You mean like every year? Best part of the draft, followed closely by the Red Sox taking one of the more "well-known" names that no other team took.

[Spanky99]

I want the Jays to go off the board to watch people lose their minds, like when Groshans was taken.

 

You mean like every year? Best part of the draft, followed closely by the Red Sox taking one of the more "well-known" names that no other team took.

 

Nooooooo... it's way too early to start tis annual debate again, we might not have a draft for all we know.

[Krylian]

Nooooooo... it's way too early to start tis annual debate again, we might not have a draft for all we know.

 

Exactly. Cause there are so many other sporting things to talk about.

[Spanky99]

Exactly. Cause there are so many other sporting things to talk about.

 

I'm talking people starting to bring up the draft and relevance of guys liking Lacy over Hancock for example.... yada yada!

 

I like the chat on players posters like, etc...

[Krylian]

I'm talking people starting to bring up the draft and relevance of guys liking Lacy over Hancock for example.... yada yada!

I like the chat on players posters like, etc...

 

If you don't have a preference or have an opinion on which player you hope the Jays draft, that's fine? Some people do...and that's fine also.

[Spanky99]

If you don't have a preference or have an opinion on which player you hope the Jays draft, that's fine? Some people do...and that's fine also.

 

Right, but... nvm.

[Boxcar]

You mean like every year? Best part of the draft, followed closely by the Red Sox taking one of the more "well-known" names that no other team took.

 

Man, the Red Sox are geniuses. They take the guy that is slipping according to baseball America and that means that they are smart.

[P2F]

I'm talking people starting to bring up the draft and relevance of guys liking Lacy over Hancock for example.... yada yada!

 

I like the chat on players posters like, etc...

 

The NCAA and high school seasons are done, though, so these discussions are probably more relevant at this time this year than in years past. I'd normally agree with you that it's pretty much a fruitless endeavour to put too much into the rankings when they're so fluid due to games still being played, but that's no longer the case this season and what we know to this point is all the data we'll get.

 

The only things that are likely to influence changes to the draft lists going forward are a change in industry consensus, team preference rumours, and injuries.

[BlueRocky]

BlueRocky - your posts are a ray of sunshine during the current shitnado.

 

That's a cool story. Veen seems like a true gamer. I LOVE this side of baseball.

 

Thanks man! I just like to dig through stuff in my free time and share in case others find it interesting.

 

 

There’s been a lot of talk about Bryce Jarvis since he threw the perfect game last month:

 

[Spanky99]

The NCAA and high school seasons are done, though, so these discussions are probably more relevant at this time this year than in years past. I'd normally agree with you that it's pretty much a fruitless endeavour to put too much into the rankings when they're so fluid due to games still being played, but that's no longer the case this season and what we know to this point is all the data we'll get.

 

The only things that are likely to influence changes to the draft lists going forward are a change in industry consensus, team preference rumours, and injuries.

 

I meant to edit this in, thanks friendo. There's no real reason for these guys to slide much in Mocks aside from their last write up. I just hate when guys both bitch after the draft on who you wanted specifically or guys waiting to shoot that thought process straight in the ass without a preference, per se.

[The Cats Ass]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/03/mlb-delays-draft-july-five-ten-rounds.html

[Ray]

This front office has demonstrated that they're more than competent evaluating amateur players. I wouldn't care if they went way off the board to pick someone at #5.

 

What's the one big miss in their tenure? Logan Warmoth in 2017? Every other draft has seen their top picks stock only rise upward (Pearson, Manoah, Groshans, Kloffenstein). Even the time they took JB Woodman in 2016, they were quick to capitalize any value he had and flipped him for Aledmys Diaz.

 

Their major league scouting department could use some work, but their amateur drafting and international free agent signings have been fantastic.

[Jimcanuck]

This front office has demonstrated that they're more than competent evaluating amateur players. I wouldn't care if they went way off the board to pick someone at #5.

 

What's the one big miss in their tenure? Logan Warmoth in 2017? Every other draft has seen their top picks stock only rise upward (Pearson, Manoah, Groshans, Kloffenstein). Even the time they took JB Woodman in 2016, they were quick to capitalize any value he had and flipped him for Aledmys Diaz.

 

Their major league scouting department could use some work, but their amateur drafting and international free agent signings have been fantastic.

 

Small sample, could be just random chance. I would put less credence in the draft selection and more in the high performance development team the Jays have put together.

[Ray]

Small sample, could be just random chance. I would put less credence in the draft selection and more in the high performance development team the Jays have put together.

 

Drafting Bichette, Pearson, Groshans, Manoah 4 consecutive years seems more than just happenstance. They've been consistent in getting at least one high impact guy in each draft. Groshans especially was a big head scratcher on draft night and they deserve props for taking him so highly.

 

Re: High Performance Dept, I may be wrong, but I recall Shapiro doing an interview in early 2016 and stating how archaic our player development/nutrition/training systems were and how they had to get better. Clearly there's been some overhaul since then, and hopefully we get to see the fruit of that labor soon.

[Boxcar]

This front office has demonstrated that they're more than competent evaluating amateur players. I wouldn't care if they went way off the board to pick someone at #5.

 

What's the one big miss in their tenure? Logan Warmoth in 2017? Every other draft has seen their top picks stock only rise upward (Pearson, Manoah, Groshans, Kloffenstein). Even the time they took JB Woodman in 2016, they were quick to capitalize any value he had and flipped him for Aledmys Diaz.

 

Their major league scouting department could use some work, but their amateur drafting and international free agent signings have been fantastic.

 

TJ Zoinks as well

[Boxcar]

Drafting Bichette, Pearson, Groshans, Manoah 4 consecutive years seems more than just happenstance. They've been consistent in getting at least one high impact guy in each draft. Groshans especially was a big head scratcher on draft night and they deserve props for taking him so highly.

 

Re: High Performance Dept, I may be wrong, but I recall Shapiro doing an interview in early 2016 and stating how archaic our player development/nutrition/training systems were and how they had to get better. Clearly there's been some overhaul since then, and hopefully we get to see the fruit of that labor soon.

 

Hopefully El Capitan finds his way to the nutritionist at some point.

[Ray]

TJ Zoinks as well

 

Zeuch has at least made the majors and still has a small percentile probability to become Doug Fister/Mike Fiers. Actually not a terrible outcome for where he was drafted.

 

Warmoth is more or less a lost cause at this point.

[Krylian]

Zeuch has at least made the majors and still has a small percentile probability to become Doug Fister/Mike Fiers. Actually not a terrible outcome for where he was drafted.

 

Warmoth is more or less a lost cause at this point.

 

I think he's been in most people's rear view mirror for a while now.

[BlueRocky]

 

Blue Jays

$9,694,300 estimated 5 rounds pool

$10,737,700 estimated 10 rounds pool

 

Assigned slot value first five rounds:

5 Blue Jays $6,180,700

42 Blue Jays $1,771,100

78 Blue Jays $793,000

107 Blue Jays $543,500

137 Blue Jays $406,000

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166 Blue Jays $306,800

196 Blue Jays $239,000

226 Blue Jays $188,900

256 Blue Jays $160,300

286 Blue Jays $148,400

 

2019 signing bonuses:

1 BAL Adley Rutschman 21 C Oregon State $8,100,000

2 KC Bobby Witt Jr. 18 SS Colleyville Heritage HS $7,789,900

3 CHW Andrew Vaughn 21 1B California $7,221,200

4 MIA J.J. Bleday 21 OF Vanderbilt $6,670,000

5 DET Riley Greene 18 OF Hagerty HS $6,180,700

6 SD CJ Abrams 18 SS Blessed Trinity HS $5,200,000

7 CIN Nick Lodolo 21 P Texas Christian $5,432,200

8 TEX Josh Jung 21 3B Texas Tech $4,400,000

9 ATL Shea Langeliers 21 C Baylor $4,000,000

10 SF Hunter Bishop 20 OF Arizona State $4,100,000

11 TOR Alek Manoah 21 P West Virginia $4,547,500

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/draft/

 

Teams really don’t lose that much money extending the draft to ten rounds as the pools are heavily front loaded.

Edited March 31, 2020 by BlueRocky

[BlueRocky]

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/kyle-glaser-free-for-all-chat-4320/

Jeff (Georgia):

 

With a shortened draft, do you see teams making up for the lost picks with a lot more undrafted free agent signings - either college juniors/seniors or international? How do you see that working - a "free for all" with players trying to use multiple teams as leverage to get as close as they can to the $20K max signing bonus?

 

Kyle Glaser: I suspect there will be a lot of undrafted free agent signings, mostly college seniors whose conferences are saying they won't be giving returning seniors any aid and juniors who know they might get squeezed out of playing time next year. What's going to be most interesting is the teams that have already committed to paying their minor leaguers higher salaries (Giants, Cubs, Blue Jays) will likely have an advantage because if everyone is capped at the same bonus, being able to get more money as a minor leaguer will be a separator in which team you choose.

[KevinGregg]

What's going to be most interesting is the teams that have already committed to paying their minor leaguers higher salaries (Giants, Cubs, Blue Jays) will likely have an advantage because if everyone is capped at the same bonus, being able to get more money as a minor leaguer will be a separator in which team you choose.

 

What's stopping a team from paying higher salaries on a case by case basis? Like for the one or two undrafted guys who you think are worth it, offer just them 5 times the normal salary at each level?