GDT: Blue Jays @ Giants (Game 2 of 2) May 15th 15:45 EST

[Deadpool]

I think there's an argument to make that even if he'd caught the ball and tagged him, that he didn't give him a lane as per the new rules...

[Deadpool]

Ball is carrying like a motherf***er today.

[Deadpool]

Nice inning from Vladdy on D. Solid fundamentals, made the play on a ground, looked the runner back at third, solid throw. Then calling off the pitcher and taking charge, that's his ball so it's good that he wasn't timid about calling for it.

[Barkerfan23]

Man thats a terrible swing on miss by Teoscar, absolutely terrible.

[Ray]

Teoscar needs to be optioned to AAA to figure it out. He's been terrible. Bring Gurriel back up.

[Barkerfan23]

Teoscar needs to be optioned to AAA to figure it out. He's been terrible. Bring Gurriel back up.

 

Honestly he was a terrible defensive player to being with, I think he would need a WRC of 115 Plus to have any value

 

The bat doesn't seem like it will ever develop to that point. I think its probably time to move on. He is a league average hitter after almost a thousand at bats, and seems to have regressed. I dont think there is anything to figure out.

[Deadpool]

Honestly he was a terrible defensive player to being with, I think he would need a WRC of 115 Plus to have any value

 

The bat doesn't seem like it will ever develop to that point. I think its probably time to move on. He is a league average hitter after almost a thousand at bats, and seems to have regressed. I dont think there is anything to figure out.

 

Teo's D hasn't been a problem this year, he's slightly above neutral numbers wise (UZR of 2.0, DRS of 2) and has made some really excellent throws. SSS obviously, but hopefully he's worked to improve on that. An average LF defender with his bat is a useful piece (obviously I'm assuming his bat will regress towards his numbers from last year...)

[Ray]

Honestly he was a terrible defensive player to being with, I think he would need a WRC of 115 Plus to have any value

 

The bat doesn't seem like it will ever develop to that point. I think its probably time to move on. He is a league average hitter after almost a thousand at bats, and seems to have regressed. I dont think there is anything to figure out.

 

Or just send him to Buffalo because he has options

[Bobthe4th]

Nice double play to get out of the inning.

[Deadpool]

I haven't seen a 3-6-3 double play in a while... well, I don't remember seeing one. Well executed there, guys!

[KevinGregg]

Come on Joe, does anyone ever actually put a hit and run on hoping that it is a double play?

Just because the pitcher will probably get out then you can have your lead off hitter lead off the next inning?

Ridiculous take

[Deadpool]

104.3 EV for Edwin Jackson on that ground out.

[Deadpool]

What a stupid pickoff attempt, Drury wasn't going anywhere there.

[Abomination]

The way I personally see it is that Teo has more upside but a lower floor than DSJ. I think DSJ is about what he'll ever be, and I have hopes the Teo can still improve. I'm fine with the moves that were made w/r/t the OF in the spring.

 

I guess it depends on exactly what Teoscar is. His defense numbers this year are improved so far, so if that holds he may be the superior option anyway.

 

In all reality, the correct answer may be none of the above

[Barkerfan23]

Teoscar is heading to AAA after this road trip

[Stangstag]

Teoscar is heading to AAA after this road trip

 

And McKinney

[Barkerfan23]

Yep really neither can hit at the mlb level. Its Mid May

[KevinGregg]

4 K for Teo today. That is sad.

I think the ship has sailed on him

[JFD]

Golden sombrero for Teo

[Abomination]

FFS, stop suggesting McKinney should think about bunting with 2 strikes.

[Barkerfan23]

FFS, stop suggesting McKinney should think about bunting with 2 strikes.

 

It's really the only way he gets on at that point. He is extremely outmatched vs quality pitching

 

Not sure we got anything in the Happ trade

[Deadpool]

It's really the only way he gets on at that point. He is extremely outmatched vs quality pitching

 

Not sure we got anything in the Happ trade

 

Well, to be fair, we traded like 3 months of Happ, it's not like we were moving a HUGE asset.

[Boxcar]

And also bench players aren't nothing

[glory]

Well, to be fair, we traded like 3 months of Happ, it's not like we were moving a HUGE asset.

 

Yes 2+ months of Happ wasn't a great asset, but Drury was an arb eligible 26 year old who peaked at a 1 WAR to that point, and McKinney is a jack of no trades. 1-2 WAR players are signing minor league deals in today's market. They really have no value anymore. They'll have value to a good team that can use 1-2 wins for $550k, but to a rebuilding team? Just sign Adam Jones and Josh Harrison to play OF and 2B/3B and flip them at the deadline for lotto tickets (vetrin presents). Don't trade actual vet assets for 1 WAR young players.

 

That's why I actually liked the Russell Martin trade. Ronnie Brito probably sucks, but at least you can dream. I'd rather have that than a 24 year old 0.5 WAR outfielder who is ready right now.

[BlueRocky]

Teoscar is heading to AAA after this road trip

 

And McKinney

 

4 K for Teo today. That is sad.

I think the ship has sailed on him

 

Would not be apposed to calling Gurriel and Biggio up in the process. The OF needs some serious help.

 

I think Biggio in RF might actually work. He seems to be able to track balls pretty well and takes good routes, granted there’s only been like one challenging play so far and he made the catch. He’s handled all the routine plays, and even showed off his range a bit tracking a ball to deep RF foul territory which is pretty good for a guy just starting OF. He also came close to catching a homerun ball that bounced on top of the wall, followed it all the way to the wall until it was out of reach.

 

His arm was strong enough for the ball to reach third on just one hop with fair accuracy.

 

Gurriel’s had what, 6 games in LF? Calling him fluid is a bit of a stretch, but he hasn’t embarassed himself yet. It’s going to take time for him to develop but his bat has been good and our OF bats on the big club have been atrocious.

Edited May 16, 2019 by BlueRocky

[Brownie19]

Yes 2+ months of Happ wasn't a great asset, but Drury was an arb eligible 26 year old who peaked at a 1 WAR to that point, and McKinney is a jack of no trades. 1-2 WAR players are signing minor league deals in today's market. They really have no value anymore. They'll have value to a good team that can use 1-2 wins for $550k, but to a rebuilding team? Just sign Adam Jones and Josh Harrison to play OF and 2B/3B and flip them at the deadline for lotto tickets (vetrin presents). Don't trade actual vet assets for 1 WAR young players.

 

That's why I actually liked the Russell Martin trade. Ronnie Brito probably sucks, but at least you can dream. I'd rather have that than a 24 year old 0.5 WAR outfielder who is ready right now.

 

What if we traded Happ for Luke Voit? or Yandy Diaz? or Christian Walker? or Stephen Piscotty? or Dwight Smith Jr.?...or how about our own Randell Grichuk?

 

There are lots of guys in their mid 20's who, when given an opportunity or a fresh start, turn into valuable players (despite never putting it all together for their previous club). Does it always happen? Of course not, but it seems like you're completely ruling out that possibility in favor of only high risk lottery tickets.