Do the Blue Jays ever consider a sac bunt?

[dcossar]

Watching this weekend games with Cleveland. First game they get two walks and a hit batter to load the bases. NOBODY out and no runs scored!

Today.... men on second and third... NOBODY out! NO runs scored. What a disgusting display! Ever heard of a sack BUNT?

[LGBJ29]

Bold strategy Cotton

[Deadpool]

Watching this weekend games with Cleveland. First game they get two walks and a hit batter to load the bases. NOBODY out and no runs scored!

Today.... men on second and third... NOBODY out! NO runs scored. What a disgusting display! Ever heard of a sack BUNT?

 

What in the actual f*** would a sac bunt do with runners on second and third?

[Spanky99]

Bold strategy Cotton

 

lol

[Krylian]

What in the actual f*** would a sac bunt do with runners on second and third?

 

Sacrifice the runners to third and home obviously.

[Jonn]

Watching this weekend games with Cleveland. First game they get two walks and a hit batter to load the bases. NOBODY out and no runs scored!

Today.... men on second and third... NOBODY out! NO runs scored. What a disgusting display! Ever heard of a sack BUNT?

 

Bunting sucks. Terrible first post.

[Boxcar]

Watching this weekend games with Cleveland. First game they get two walks and a hit batter to load the bases. NOBODY out and no runs scored!

Today.... men on second and third... NOBODY out! NO runs scored. What a disgusting display! Ever heard of a sack BUNT?

 

Here we go. The inevitable sac bunt advocates.

[Slade]

This was your first post...smh

[Krylian]

This was your first post...smh

 

...and quite possibly last.

[saskjayfan]

Here we go. The inevitable sac bunt advocates.

 

I think we've struck out more than 50% this series without actually looking it up. Runners on 2nd and 3rd and none out, you could actually make a case for a safety squeeze to try and get the run in and the runner at 2nd over to third.

 

I generally don't advocate bunting a lot, but this is a unique lineup....lol.

[DigitalRock]

No they never ever thought about it once....that's all this team needs gies, sack BUNTS!!

[Boxcar]

Sacrifice the runners to third and home obviously.

 

We should be leading off every inning with a sac bunt imo. That shows the other team we mean business.

[Krylian]

We should be leading off every inning with a sac bunt imo. That shows the other team we mean business.

 

I'd love to see them try to defend that. No shift can save them.

[Pendleton]

My coach told me to swing away one time, idiot. Bunted that ball right at him

[Terminator]

Unfortunately yes, we do sac bunt sometimes.

[Carlos Danger]

Watching this weekend games with Cleveland. First game they get two walks and a hit batter to load the bases. NOBODY out and no runs scored!

Today.... men on second and third... NOBODY out! NO runs scored. What a disgusting display! Ever heard of a sack BUNT?

 

Read the game #2 GDT vs Cleveland and you will be enlightened as to sac bunts.

[onwego]

I still like the strategic use of the bunt, and watch a lot of NL games, but in the AL East it doesn't mean much these days.

[TheHurl]

Bunting for hits is very different than a sac bunt. The Rangers broadcast actually pulled up the run expectancy chart in the game against the angels this weekend to explain why the sac bunt and stolen base is a dying thing. It's not like it's even complicated, even the oldest school of old school could figure it out. I wish the Jays had a segment for simple analytics on their broadcasts. Maybe that will happen when you get rid of the oldest of old school announce team.

[Dick_Pole]

When your top hitter is OPS'ing, like, .200, there is no such thing as a bad strategy to try to manufacture some runs. Guerrero can't get here soon enough.. Despite the s***** start, the pitching staff has me hopeful that this team can make 2019 not entirely a lost season. Let's see how the pitching handles Fenway. I could be eating my words with a couple of 10-0 blowouts.

[Brownie19]

Bunting for hits is very different than a sac bunt. The Rangers broadcast actually pulled up the run expectancy chart in the game against the angels this weekend to explain why the sac bunt and stolen base is a dying thing. It's not like it's even complicated, even the oldest school of old school could figure it out. I wish the Jays had a segment for simple analytics on their broadcasts. Maybe that will happen when you get rid of the oldest of old school announce team.

 

Agreed. I don't think it would hurt to show some statistics explaining why strategy in baseball has changed. I mean we're now showing the overlay of where hitters hit ground balls now (to explain the shift). I mean it can't be that hard to justify a shift, even to the more old school fan out there when the batter hits 75% of ground balls to one side. Get the run expectancy chart up there regularly...show the ignorant fans why we aren't bunting or stealing in a particular situation. It's just so easy for fans to say "well they should have done this!" when whatever they chose to do (like hit away) fails. s*** fails in baseball ALL THE TIME. That's baseball.

[Abomination]

Agreed. I don't think it would hurt to show some statistics explaining why strategy in baseball has changed. I mean we're now showing the overlay of where hitters hit ground balls now (to explain the shift). I mean it can't be that hard to justify a shift, even to the more old school fan out there when the batter hits 75% of ground balls to one side. Get the run expectancy chart up there regularly...show the ignorant fans why we aren't bunting or stealing in a particular situation. It's just so easy for fans to say "well they should have done this!" when whatever they chose to do (like hit away) fails. s*** fails in baseball ALL THE TIME. That's baseball.

 

That seems like the kind of thing something like, I don't know, a baseball podcast that's looking for content could do ... evaluate the decisions from the last few games from a stats perspective.

[onwego]

Agreed. I don't think it would hurt to show some statistics explaining why strategy in baseball has changed. I mean we're now showing the overlay of where hitters hit ground balls now (to explain the shift). I mean it can't be that hard to justify a shift, even to the more old school fan out there when the batter hits 75% of ground balls to one side. Get the run expectancy chart up there regularly...show the ignorant fans why we aren't bunting or stealing in a particular situation. It's just so easy for fans to say "well they should have done this!" when whatever they chose to do (like hit away) fails. s*** fails in baseball ALL THE TIME. That's baseball.

 

 

what has changed deep down?

 

the best teams bring in the players that hit and throw the hardest, as they have for 100 years... Boston did a genius job bringing in great pitchers and hitters, but anyone could tell you that was going to work.

 

the only thing that has changed is the all-or-nothing plate appearance with no shame in striking out 3-4 times a game.

[Brownie19]

what has changed deep down?

 

the best teams bring in the players that hit and throw the hardest, as they have for 100 years... Boston did a genius job bringing in great pitchers and hitters, but anyone could tell you that was going to work.

 

the only thing that has changed is the all-or-nothing plate appearance with no shame in striking out 3-4 times a game.

 

What's changed is instead of making low percentage strategic decisions, teams are using the available data and playing the percentages. Teams didn't utilize the shift until the early 2010's because they were ignorant and/or afraid the go against tradition and outside of particular situations with particular players, bunting, stealing and choking up with 2 strikes decreases your chance of success over the long term.

 

There's new strategies (with the backup math) on how to construct a lineup...there's change all over the place. IMO, they don't talk about the new strategies being implemented by MLB teams - instead opting to question why the manager didn't bunt in that situation, or put the runner in motion, etc. It misleads the casual fans into thinking the manager's an idiot.

[o2cui2i]

It misleads the casual fans into thinking the manager's an idiot.

 

the problem is that the broadcast team are idiots. casual fans loose IQ points listening to Buck and Tabler talk and fans that have a clue get really irritated listening to those two idiots night after night.

[Daniel Labude]

What's a sac bunt

[EastCoaster]

Bunting is a the perfect counter measure against these exaggerated defensive shifts. I wish more players would bunt their way aboard when these shifts are utilize if someone offers you a free pass why not take advantage of it. The league is complaining against these defensive shift I'm sure if more players would bunt in these occasions teams would think twice before giving extra outs to the opposing teams.

[Deadpool]

Bunting is a the perfect counter measure against these exaggerated defensive shifts. I wish more players would bunt their way aboard when these shifts are utilize if someone offers you a free pass why not take advantage of it. The league is complaining against these defensive shift I'm sure if more players would bunt in these occasions teams would think twice before giving extra outs to the opposing teams.

 

In theory this makes a small amount of sense (not a lot, but still), however have you ever seen Justin Smoak try to push a bunt to third past the pitcher? This is simply not a skill that most guys who are shifted against have. Also, bunting has 2 realistic outcomes, an out (most likely) or a single.

[Krylian]

In theory this makes a small amount of sense (not a lot, but still), however have you ever seen Justin Smoak try to push a bunt to third past the pitcher? This is simply not a skill that most guys who are shifted against have. Also, bunting has 2 realistic outcomes, an out (most likely) or a single.

 

It's too bad guys can't pull off the swinging bunt like Tony Fernandez used to be able to from time to time. That little half swing that he'd dump just behind the third base bag.

[EastCoaster]

In theory this makes a small amount of sense (not a lot, but still), however have you ever seen Justin Smoak try to push a bunt to third past the pitcher? This is simply not a skill that most guys who are shifted against have. Also, bunting has 2 realistic outcomes, an out (most likely) or a single.

 

That's because players never took the time to develop the proper techniques of bunting. You can blame everybody involved players, instructors, coaches and managers I can't believe someone reaching the major league cannot properly bunt a baseball. Definitely a loss art for sure in today's game it's time to go back and teach some of these basic skills of the game that made it so great.

[Deadpool]

That's because players never took the time to develop the proper techniques of bunting. You can blame everybody involved players, instructors, coaches and managers I can't believe someone reaching the major league cannot properly bunt a baseball. Definitely a loss art for sure in today's game it's time to go back and teach some of these basic skills of the game that made it so great.

 

Because bunting is, by and large, a horrible thing to do in baseball, so wasting time to learn it is taking away time you could practice an actual skill that matters.