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Bobthe4th

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Dude - they get like 183 people out to each game. How the f*** do you justify spending big bucks in players?

 

That’s what revenue sharing is meant to be for, not to increase the profits of the owners. And no one expects them to be competing with the payroll of the Yankees, just to not be so consistently cheap.

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It's true!

 

I knew I heard it right, he gets 1B, right, they wouldn't use him as a bench player?

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Chris Sale signs an extension with the Red Sox. Around 5 years $150M, according to Passan.

 

Upcoming free agency class took a huge hit with Goldschmidt, Arenado, Sale, and potentially Rendon signing too.

 

NVM, you're correct.

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That’s what revenue sharing is meant to be for, not to increase the profits of the owners. And no one expects them to be competing with the payroll of the Yankees, just to not be so consistently cheap.

 

Apparently in 2017 they made 210M. Beyond MLB payroll there's coaches and front office staff, ballpark expenses and personnel, travel, MiLB salaries, draft bonuses, etc. Their owners probably aren't raking it in like you might expect.

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Apparently in 2017 they made 210M. Beyond MLB payroll there's coaches and front office staff, ballpark expenses and personnel, travel, MiLB salaries, draft bonuses, etc. Their owners probably aren't raking it in like you might expect.

 

Lindbergh did a good article on this a year ago, explaining that taking into account draft bonuses, international spending, and player benefits, teams are actually spending around 56.2% on players in total.

 

Link: https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2018/2/21/17035624/mlb-revenue-sharing-owners-players-free-agency-rob-manfred

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Lindbergh did a good article on this a year ago, explaining that taking into account draft bonuses, international spending, and player benefits, teams are actually spending around 56.2% on players in total.

 

Link: https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2018/2/21/17035624/mlb-revenue-sharing-owners-players-free-agency-rob-manfred

 

Yeah, that's for all teams combined though, not the Rays specifically. I don't think it includes front office personnel and coaches, travel, or ballpark expenses either.

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Yeah, that's for all teams combined though, not the Rays specifically. I don't think it includes front office personnel and coaches, travel, or ballpark expenses either.

 

This article gives a better idea of small market teams operating expenses by taking a look at the Pirates leaked documents: https://www.royalsreview.com/2018/2/6/16961182/estimating-how-much-money-the-royals-make

 

I really wish we had a better idea of what the real fixed cost floor is of a baseball team year to year.

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Chris Sale is currently the career leader in K/BB ratio. Kluber is 2nd. Tommy Bond is 3rd.

 

Tommy Bond from the 1879 Red Caps? That guy was a horse. 43 Wins, 555 innings and 59 CG's over 64 starts. 3 years he finished every game he started. They don't make'em like that anymore!

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Yeah, that's for all teams combined though, not the Rays specifically. I don't think it includes front office personnel and coaches, travel, or ballpark expenses either.

 

Bob is just not going to understand spending as a percentage of revenue. With the new TV deal they will gradually go up in payroll (I guarantee it).

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Tommy Bond from the 1879 Red Caps? That guy was a horse. 43 Wins, 555 innings and 59 CG's over 64 starts. 3 years he finished every game he started. They don't make'em like that anymore!

 

it was an interesting time, and I could be wrong but 1879 might have still been the underhand era

 

But even the called strike came with some generous caveats. For example, an umpire couldn't just call out "strike" at the first good-looking pitch. He would issue a warning first. Perhaps something like, "Pardon me for intruding, my good man, but that last one looked rather on target, if you ask me. Consider thyself under advisement that I will feel it necessary to call a similar pitch as a strike, of which you get three. Fair enough?" Even more gentlemanly, the umpire was prohibited from calling a strike on the very first pitch, unless the batter swung and missed [source: Miklich].

 

To add to the absurdity, all the way until 1886 batters could "call" their pitch [source: Miklich]. Before stepping into the batter's box, the batter would ask the pitcher for either a "high ball" or a "low ball." To qualify as a strike, a high ball needed to be both over the plate and between the batter's waist and shoulders. A low ball needed to pass over the plate between the batter's knees and waist. The batter had to choose one or the other and couldn't change his mind during the middle of his turn at bat.

 

In 1887, the high and low strike zones were combined into a single zone that extended from knees to shoulders. The strike zone has undergone several alterations in the ensuing years. Currently, the official MLB rules position the top of the strike zone at halfway between the top of the shoulders and the waist of the uniform. The bottom of the strike zone is not the knees (because that would be too normal), but the "hollow beneath the knee cap," aka the knee pit [source: MLB.com].

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Chris Sale signs an extension with the Red Sox. Around 5 years $150M, according to Passan.

 

Upcoming free agency class took a huge hit with Goldschmidt, Arenado, Sale, and potentially Rendon signing too.

 

Wow

 

In 2022/2023 Price and Sale will be making 65M or so combined. What's that going to look like?

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Wow

 

In 2022/2023 Price and Sale will be making 65M or so combined. What's that going to look like?

 

Price will have a xFIP of 5 and Sale will be recovering from TJS.

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That’s what revenue sharing is meant to be for, not to increase the profits of the owners. And no one expects them to be competing with the payroll of the Yankees, just to not be so consistently cheap.

 

Longoria was the only time they ever spent any money

 

And they even managed to dump that contract before he started sucking

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boooo - that sucks. I love Olson (for reason's I can't really explain).

 

It's easy to explain, he's really good and has a sweet swing.

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boooo - that sucks. I love Olson (for reason's I can't really explain).

 

He's one of the few 1B that is amazing to watch on both sides of the ball.

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Ian Happ has been optioned to AAA, he has all his options still remaining and the Cubs want him to work on cutting his K rate.

 

He'll be up shortly once they realize Albert Almora Jr. sucks.

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Ian Happ has been optioned to AAA, he has all his options still remaining and the Cubs want him to work on cutting his K rate.

 

Happ has 1.142 years of service time. If they can live without him for ~6 weeks of something like that they'll maybe milk another year of control out of him.

 

But he's probably not good enough for Chicago to do that

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He'll be up shortly once they realize Albert Almora Jr. sucks.

 

He's a poor man's Kevin Pillar with surprisingly bad baserunning. I wouldn't he say he sucks necessarily.

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