General 2019 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[Terminator]

He can't even see straight right now according to the recent articles. I'm thinking he clears waivers.

 

If he can't see straight then why is he playing in AAA?

[DigitalRock]

I forgot Devon Travis existed.

[saskjayfan]

I forgot Devon Travis existed.

 

I always liked Devon Travis. He's such a good dude. We're obviously going to release him and it's the right move no doubt. I hope he can find an opportunity somewhere and somehow stay healthy long enough get back to being a productive player. I'm not sure either will happen though.

[DigitalRock]

I always liked Devon Travis. He's such a good dude. We're obviously going to release him and it's the right move no doubt. I hope he can find an opportunity somewhere and somehow stay healthy long enough get back to being a productive player. I'm not sure either will happen though.

 

Yeah feel bad for the kid.

[Carlos Danger]

I always liked Devon Travis. He's such a good dude. We're obviously going to release him and it's the right move no doubt. I hope he can find an opportunity somewhere and somehow stay healthy long enough get back to being a productive player. I'm not sure either will happen though.

 

Problem is, his D sucks, even when healthy and he is a one position player. If he is not hitting like a Silver Slugger, waste of roster space. Loved him in 2015, but he is not same player.

[Krylian]

I always liked Devon Travis. He's such a good dude. We're obviously going to release him and it's the right move no doubt. I hope he can find an opportunity somewhere and somehow stay healthy long enough get back to being a productive player. I'm not sure either will happen though.

 

Have you met him before?

[P2F]

Does Stroman make his start tonight, or do the Jays sit him? They could be close to a deal and wouldn't want to risk injury. At this point, Stroman making another start isn't going to move the needle one way or the other, so I legit wonder if he gets scratched.

[jaysguy44]

Does Stroman make his start tonight, or do the Jays sit him? They could be close to a deal and wouldn't want to risk injury. At this point, Stroman making another start isn't going to move the needle one way or the other, so I legit wonder if he gets scratched.

 

He will start tonight, which is a dumb decision.

 

There's literally no pro's to him starting.

[Todd Van Anus]

Does Stroman make his start tonight, or do the Jays sit him? They could be close to a deal and wouldn't want to risk injury. At this point, Stroman making another start isn't going to move the needle one way or the other, so I legit wonder if he gets scratched.

 

He really should be traded prior to his start.

[glory]

Does Stroman make his start tonight, or do the Jays sit him? They could be close to a deal and wouldn't want to risk injury. At this point, Stroman making another start isn't going to move the needle one way or the other, so I legit wonder if he gets scratched.

 

He will start. I agree that he shouldn't though.

[AintNoThang]

He really should be traded prior to his start.

 

I never get that thinking. Maybe they have s*** offers right now while teams are waiting on which teams are going to sell. You don't trade just to make a trade. If they're not getting the value back that they're looking for, just hold on to him. Wait it out and hope other teams will pay more closer to the deadline. They still have another year or control. Now if there's a decent offer out there, while not even being close to the Archer return, than I agree, pull the trigger now.

[Todd Van Anus]

I never get that thinking. Maybe they have s*** offers right now while teams are waiting on which teams are going to sell. You don't trade just to make a trade. If they're not getting the value back that they're looking for, just hold on to him. Wait it out and hope other teams will pay more closer to the deadline. They still have another year or control. Now if there's a decent offer out there, while not even being close to the Archer return, than I agree, pull the trigger now.

Cardinals offered Flaherty last year for Donaldson and Shatkins waited too long and then got the shaft.

[THANOS]

Random thoughts I've had for awhile; looking at Shane Bieber's fangraphs page ahead of today's game and I noticed that he was a guy who was an 8 K/9 arm throughout his entire minors career and comes up and is now an 11 K/9 arm. You see things like this all over the MLB now, especially with smart teams like Cleveland or Houston.

 

Then you look at us, and often times pitchers trend worse when they're called up. Stroman being a 10 K/9 guy in the minors and being 6/7 K/9 in the majors is a decent example.

 

I wonder how much of this can be tagged to the pitching coach, analytic translation, psychology, etc?

[AintNoThang]

Cardinals offered Flaherty last year for Donaldson and Shatkins waited too long and then got the shaft.

 

Yeah, but that was a totally reasonable offer. He should've jumped on it. If there's a similar offer for Stroman, of course you'd pull the trigger before tonight's start. We just don't know if they're getting low-balled at moment.

 

I also don't understand why teams often times wait up until the deadline before trading. I get it with teams like the Cardinals, at the moment. But a team like the Twins with some needs, who could benefit from a starter/reliever, should've done it sooner. The Indians could very well take over the division, maybe by a game or two. Making those moves earlier could potentially help protect the division lead. They could've used Giles last night, that's for sure.

[Krylian]

Cardinals offered Flaherty last year for Donaldson and Shatkins waited too long and then got the shaft.

 

Shaftkins

[Krylian]

Yeah, but that was a totally reasonable offer. He should've jumped on it. If there's a similar offer for Stroman, of course you'd pull the trigger before tonight's start. We just don't know if they're getting low-balled at moment.

 

I also don't understand why teams often times wait up until the deadline before trading. I get it with teams like the Cardinals, at the moment. But a team like the Twins with some needs, who could benefit from a starter/reliever, should've done it sooner. The Indians could very well take over the division, maybe by a game or two. Making those moves earlier could potentially help protect the division lead. They could've used Giles last night, that's for sure.

 

Because they're still this mentality of playing a game of chicken and either not offering your best until the last minute or asking for the stars until the last minute when you settle for less.

[Spanky__99]

Cardinals offered Flaherty last year for Donaldson and Shatkins waited too long and then got the shaft.

 

That was a Bob Nightengale rumour, there was nothing further to back that rumour up, pure clickbait. Guy's a flipping hack, fake news. Not to mention Shapiro, said they wanted to rebuild earlier but circumstances left him unavailable, meaning ownership tied their hands to sell tickets, period.

 

[Abomination]

Does Stroman make his start tonight, or do the Jays sit him? They could be close to a deal and wouldn't want to risk injury. At this point, Stroman making another start isn't going to move the needle one way or the other, so I legit wonder if he gets scratched.

 

He'll start unless there's an imminent trade. He won't make the start on the 29th or 30th though.

[Slade]

He'll start unless there's an imminent trade. He won't make the start on the 29th or 30th though.

 

Yea my thoughts exactly, he'll start this and probably be done until the deadline.

[Krylian]

That was a Bob Nightengale rumour, there was nothing further to back that rumour up, pure clickbait. Guy's a flipping hack, fake news. Not to mention Shapiro, said they wanted to rebuild earlier but circumstances left him unavailable, meaning ownership tied their hands to sell tickets, period.

 

 

LOL.

 

It happened. Accept it.

[Spanky__99]

LOL.

 

It happened. Accept it.

 

Why? Because Bob said so, lol.

[Krylian]

Why? Because Bob said so, lol.

 

He knows better than you. Besides, he's saying that an actual Jays official said this, not "sources" or "reports say" . He's actually specifying which side this is coming from. But by all means, keep believing that this group can do no wrong and have made no mistakes.

[Abomination]

He knows better than you. Besides, he's saying that an actual Jays official said this, not "sources" or "reports say" . He's actually specifying which side this is coming from. But by all means, keep believing that this group can do no wrong and have made no mistakes.

 

Looking at the date of the tweet, it sounds like that would have been offered in the winter of 2017 or early spring 2018, when we still expected Donaldson to be elite and part of a competing team. It wasn't last offseason (for obvious reasons). That return probably would have been a little light for someone coming off 8.7, 7.6, and 5.1 WAR seasons.

[Krylian]

Looking at the date of the tweet, it sounds like that would have been offered in the winter of 2017 or early spring 2018, when we still expected Donaldson to be elite and part of a competing team. It wasn't last offseason (for obvious reasons). That return probably would have been a little light for someone coming off 8.7, 7.6, and 5.1 WAR seasons.

 

That team should've been blown up after 2017. Many thought that.

[Abomination]

That team should've been blown up after 2017. Many thought that.

 

Yes, but that's not the point. The point is, the return probably would have been light at the time, and turning it down was probably correct (depending on who the other piece was).

[Krylian]

Yes, but that's not the point. The point is, the return probably would have been light at the time, and turning it down was probably correct (depending on who the other piece was).

 

Clearly it wasn't the right move cause his value has never reached that level again. A big part of a GMs job is to evaluate talent and know when to pull the trigger.

 

"It's always better to trade a player a year too soon than a year too late."

 

Donaldson is an excellent example of this.

[Abomination]

Clearly it wasn't the right move cause his value has never reached that level again. A big part of a GMs job is to evaluate talent and know when to pull the trigger.

 

"It's always better to trade a player a year too soon than a year too late."

 

Donaldson is an excellent example of this.

 

1) It may not have been their decision. In fact, I think that was already widely reported on that they wanted to blow it up and weren't allowed to.

2) Saying it wasn't the right move because of how things turned out doesn't mean it wasn't the right move at the time. You can get good results from bad process and bad results from good process. If the offer was too low at the time, then they made the right move to turn it down regardless of how things ended up.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

That team should've been blown up after 2017. Many thought that.

 

More now in hindsight, certainly.

 

And as many have discussed, I get the feeling Rogers was pushing for another try-to-be-competitive year with JD, so selling JD before the 2017 season was probably not an option. Unless there was a mind-blowing trade offer.

[Krylian]

More now in hindsight, certainly.

 

And as many have discussed, I get the feeling Rogers was pushing for another try-to-be-competitive year with JD, so selling JD before the 2017 season was probably not an option. Unless there was a mind-blowing trade offer.

 

I agree that Rogers stuck their nose in. They've done it in the past. Really frustrating though cause everyone saw where this team was headed after 2015. The team was getting older, the farm system was mortgaged for a small window. The team was trending down after 2015 and it wasn't going to get better...they had a nice go in 2016 but it clearly wasn't the same team...Shapiro wanted to retool after 2016 from what I recall, and that was totally the right move, but Rogers made decisions with their wallet, as they always do.

 

All that said, I still don't have confidence in Atkins. He's clumsy and awkward from a PR standpoint, and although that doesn't really mean much, he's been here how many years, and has he really hit a home run with any significant transaction? Just once I want to step back and say to myself, "Well f***! Atkins pulled off a beauty move that's meaningful."

[Barkerfan23]

At what point will you guys hold Shatkins accountable for performance. Just agree on it now

 

Is it 2020, is it 2021

 

At some point, the cut off happens where you cant blame Rogers or AA anymore. Its not this year, and they suck. Are we also looking at 100 losses next year, sure sign me up. After that though, thats where it ends for me, then its gotta swing up.