General 2019 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[Captain Adama]

Gord Ash's ascent to the throne was astonishing.

 

Bachelor of Arts from York

Teller at CIBC

Lands his dream job - ticket window guy for Blue Jays

Promoted to a middle manager job in "Operations"

Promoted to Director of "Stadium Operations"

Promoted to Player Personnel administration role

Promoted to AGM (15 years after York).

Five years later, begins his reign as the worst GM in franchise history.

 

HOW!?

 

Dude was a f***ing climber.

 

Of course he's from f***ing York.

[L54]

Gord Ash's ascent to the throne was astonishing.

 

Bachelor of Arts from York

Teller at CIBC

Lands his dream job - ticket window guy for Blue Jays

Promoted to a middle manager job in "Operations"

Promoted to Director of "Stadium Operations"

Promoted to Player Personnel administration role

Promoted to AGM (15 years after York).

Five years later, begins his reign as the worst GM in franchise history.

 

HOW!?

 

Dude was a f***ing climber.

 

Respect the hustle

[Deadpool]

Do Canadians have a really, really low standard for excellence?

 

No, but we feel bad when people get left out...

[P2F]

Here are some words and sentences from Ross Atkins about stuff:

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/ross-atkins-on-the-blue-jays-process/

[G-Snarls]

Do Canadians have a really, really low standard for excellence?

 

Our country's current federal leader is a former drama teacher

 

The one before that was a U of T dropout who worked in the mailroom at Imperial Oil.

[jerb]

 

Jon Heyman‏

Verified account

@JonHeyman

 

Blue Jays are among teams in on Sergio Romo as he moves close to a deal

[Spanky99]

Here are some words and sentences from Ross Atkins about stuff:

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/ross-atkins-on-the-blue-jays-process/

 

This is a good read, folks.^^^^

[BritishBlueJay]

 

Jon Heyman‏

Verified account

@JonHeyman

 

Blue Jays are among teams in on Sergio Romo as he moves close to a deal

 

Did very well for Giants, not the worst signing in the world by a long stretch if anything it adds experience

[Dick_Pole]

New Spring Training hats are in....

 

https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1711084

 

Jays rank 22nd. Same s***** concept with a maple leaf on a hat. So stupid.

 

Tigers + Marlins make some pretty awesome hats. Ones I would consider wearing even though each team is s***.

 

As a die-hard conservative I greatly approve that A's hat.

 

Washington's hat looks good.

 

The Cincy hat looks like something 50 Cent would wear.

 

I got a chuckle out of the Royals hat. That Angels logo with a crown. Maybe you can pull it off if your team's not going to lose 90+ games.

 

I don't get the love for Milwaukee's bm hat.

[BritishBlueJay]

As a die-hard conservative I greatly approve that A's hat.

 

Washington's hat looks good.

 

The Cincy hat looks like something 50 Cent would wear.

 

I got a chuckle out of the Royals hat. That Angels logo with a crown. Maybe you can pull it off if your team's not going to lose 90+ games.

 

I don't get the love for Milwaukee's bm hat.

 

Rays one is weird and looks like it was created by a child

[Dick_Pole]

As everyone is s***ing on Ash, I'll be the Devil's Advocate and remind everyone he was the guy in charge when the Jays got Cruz for two average relievers. So that in itself should increase his rank a bit. Of course he was also blocked from doing that horrid Astacio trade but did manage to pull off Loaiza. And the David Wells trade lol.

 

I still think Ricciardi is worse. He was good at constructing the 25-man roster with valuable filler, but was horrid where it counted on the draft and development end of things. The Jays drafted Halladay, Wells, Rios and Young under Ash. Not bad even if he traded or wanted to trade them all away for rentals.

 

My ranking of the 5 GMs is:

 

Gillick

Atkins

AA

Ash

Ricciardi

[Carlos Danger]

As everyone is s***ing on Ash, I'll be the Devil's Advocate and remind everyone he was the guy in charge when the Jays got Cruz for two average relievers. So that in itself should increase his rank a bit. Of course he was also blocked from doing that horrid Astacio trade but did manage to pull off Loaiza. And the David Wells trade lol.

 

I still think Ricciardi is worse. He was good at constructing the 25-man roster with valuable filler, but was horrid where it counted on the draft and development end of things. The Jays drafted Halladay, Wells, Rios and Young under Ash. Not bad even if he traded or wanted to trade them all away for rentals.

 

My ranking of the 5 GMs is:

 

Gillick

Atkins

AA

Ash

Ricciardi

 

I can't agree with that since although our farm system looks good, we have not won s*** yet.

 

At the end of the day, the GM job's is to win a WS.

 

Gillick did that and had highly competitive teams.

 

AA built two playoff teams

 

The others, nada.

[Sammy225]

I can't agree with that since although our farm system looks good, we have not won s*** yet.

 

At the end of the day, the GM job's is to win a WS.

 

Gillick did that and had highly competitive teams.

 

AA built two playoff teams

 

The others, nada.

 

AA also went broke earlier and with nothing to show and maybe made one of the worse trades that i can remember this franchise making (Trading Thor +) for a 40+ year old knuckleballer.

[Hipfan]

AA also went broke earlier and with nothing to show and maybe made one of the worse trades that i can remember this franchise making (Trading Thor +) for a 40+ year old knuckleballer.

 

He also signed Guerrero Jr., aka, "the best prospect ever"...so we have to give him credit there. He also did some interesting moves to acquire type B free agents, just to gain draft picks, which was a rather ingenious way to hoard draft picks, before MLB changed the rules. I think AA doesn't get enough credit around here, although trading Thor was terrible; even at the time of the trade I didn't like it.

 

I think the jury needs to be out on Atkins. He hasn't had time to establish his legacy, although I do think he's on the right track. I really wish the Jays would pony up for Harper, though. This seems to be the perfect time to grab a FA like that (assuming he would come here, of course). It would be good for the Jays to use the financial muscle they have along with their drafting/scouting skills. Still, I'd give him at least 2 more years to see how the draft picks that he picked start turning out and how he trades/signs players who are not just considered filler, but core members of what he believes to be a contending team.

[Jimcanuck]

I think the jury needs to be out on Atkins. He hasn't had time to establish his legacy, although I do think he's on the right track. I really wish the Jays would pony up for Harper, though. This seems to be the perfect time to grab a FA like that (assuming he would come here, of course).

 

Disagree, too early to be signing a guy like Harper. Jays should wait until they are on the cusp of contending, and have a firmer understanding of what the needs are to be a WS contender.

[glory]

Gord Ash was one of the worst GM’s I have ever seen and probably will ever see in my lifetime. No way JP was worse than him.

[Captain Adama]

Gord Ash was one of the worst GM’s I have ever seen and probably will ever see in my lifetime. No way JP was worse than him.

 

Ruben Amaro Jr.

 

If I was a Phillies fan, I would curse him for turning a hand-fed dynasty into a dumpster fire in a few short years.

[Spanky99]

AA also went broke earlier and with nothing to show and maybe made one of the worse trades that i can remember this franchise making (Trading Thor +) for a 40+ year old knuckleballer.

 

That's why he sits comfortably in 3rd.

[Spanky99]

Disagree, too early to be signing a guy like Harper. Jays should wait until they are on the cusp of contending, and have a firmer understanding of what the needs are to be a WS contender.

 

lol

[Boxcar]

Disagree, too early to be signing a guy like Harper. Jays should wait until they are on the cusp of contending, and have a firmer understanding of what the needs are to be a WS contender.

 

The needs are: very good players. Like Bryce Harper.

[Spanky99]

The needs are: very good players. Like Bryce Harper.

 

Jim is the new GP, he's too old... trade him for spects.

[Jimcanuck]

Jim is the new GP, he's too old... trade him for spects.

 

So sign Harper for 10 yrs / $300M?

 

1st two contract years, Jays are unlikely to be contenders. Last 3 contract years, Harper is 33-36, who knows what he will be then. Not a good value sign, Jays have to outbid other teams that are further up in the competitive cycle. Plus taking a risk of significant injury to Harper while still building a contender = disaster.

 

2020 off season is the time to spend on FA, after Vlad/Bo are in TO, and Pearson/Pardinho are close

 

I have no plm signing high priced FA vets when the time is right. Jays did it through the late 80's, early 90's when they were annual contenders.

[Spanky99]

So sign Harper for 10 yrs / $300M?

 

1st two contract years, Jays are unlikely to be contenders. Last 3 contract years, Harper is 33-36, who knows what he will be then. Not a good value sign, Jays have to outbid other teams that are further up in the competitive cycle. Plus taking a risk of significant injury to Harper while still building a contender = disaster.

 

2020 off season is the time to spend on FA, after Vlad/Bo are in TO, and Pearson/Pardinho are close

 

I have no plm signing high priced FA vets when the time is right. Jays did it through the late 80's, early 90's when they were annual contenders.

 

I don't think 300 is on the table anymore and yes, sign him up.

[Spanky99]

Wow next year's FA class is outrageous. There's like 50 guys I would want to sign. Am I in the right section of this site lol?

 

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/2020/

 

Match it up...

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/08/2019-20-mlb-free-agents.html

[Jimcanuck]

Jim is the new GP, he's too old... trade him for spects.

 

Incidentally, all of the guys I was pushing to be traded a year ago, everyone is pushing to be traded now.

 

Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late - Branch Rickey

[THANOS]

Match it up...

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/08/2019-20-mlb-free-agents.html

 

Madbum, Cole, and Sale all look like perfect targets for SP. Adam Eaton looks like he could be had on the cheap given his health the past couple years.

[Spanky99]

Incidentally, all of the guys I was pushing to be traded a year ago, everyone is pushing to be traded now.

 

Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late - Branch Rickey

 

There's this thing called winning, as a priority.

[Jimcanuck]

There's this thing called winning, as a priority.

 

In a rebuild, #wins is meaningless

[Spanky99]

In a rebuild, #wins is meaningless

 

I'm dumbfounded Jim.

[John_Havok]

 

 

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Jersey