Troy Tulowitzki

[Laika]

how much of the 38 mil do you think it would take to get tulo to just walk away?

 

No idea. Sounds like we might find out though.

 

I guess the question is - how much would a team commit to Tulo right now if he was a free agent? The answer is probably a very small number.

[BTS]

No idea. Sounds like we might find out though.

 

I guess the question is - how much would a team commit to Tulo right now if he was a free agent? The answer is probably a very small number.

 

Minor league deal seems likely. Very hard to see more than a 1-2M commitment.

 

Is there any precedent for a buyout that wouldn't be for like 37M of the 38M he's owed, with maybe some kind of deferment?

[Boxcar]

Minor league deal seems likely. Very hard to see more than a 1-2M commitment.

 

Is there any precedent for a buyout that wouldn't be for like 37M of the 38M he's owed, with maybe some kind of deferment?

 

We should reflect on how sad Tulo's career turned out. A sure fire hall of fame talent who probably doesn't get in.

 

Though still better than Harold Baines.

[DigitalRock]

Amazing really haw far Tulo has fallen, sooner he is gone the better for the Jays at this point.

[Carlos Danger]

Why would he agree to a buy out, unless equal to amount owed?

 

Why would the Players's union allow this, even if Tulo agreed? Imagine the precedent!?

 

It could nullify all injured players guaranteed money or veterans or FA back-loaded contracts if they are not performing..

 

I just do not see the Union nor agents allowing this.

 

Imagine an agent received a 6% commission on a $150,000,000.00 USD deal. He probably already spent that money. 4 yrs later the player says, ok, give me just $125,000,000.00 and I will walk. Does the agent have to give back the difference..?

 

I don't see this being a Tulo decision in a vacuum, the agents, and Players Union will have their say..

[DigitalRock]

Tulo has been dealing with this injury as well as others for the last few years. Even dealing with these issues he put up a 3 win season in 2016. He's always been an above average defender, despite the issues he likely was dealing with while on the field.

 

Now how is Tulo feeling health wise at this moment in time? I have no idea. Everyone knows that the guy has had injury problems and the risks that are associated with him. Atkins could have used more ambiguous language. Pissing off your highest paid player, who should be providing leadership for a young group of guys, is a terrible way of going about things.

 

lol....yeah everyone is scared of Tulo being angry might destroy the chances of the Jays winning...oh wait. Ridiculous post, Tulo's own "I'll go home" comments were pathetic, he should have said i'll help the team anyway I can.

[Laika]

Why would he agree to a buy out, unless equal to amount owed?

 

Why would the Players's union allow this, even if Tulo agreed? Imagine the precedent!?

 

It could nullify all injured players guaranteed money or veterans or FA back-loaded contracts if they are not performing..

 

I just do not see the Union nor agents allowing this.

 

Imagine an agent received a 6% commission on a $150,000,000.00 USD deal. He probably already spent that money. 4 yrs later the player says, ok, give me just $125,000,000.00 and I will walk. Does the agent have to give back the difference..?

 

I don't see this being a Tulo decision in a vacuum, the agents, and Players Union will have their say..

 

lol

[Dr. Dinger]

Minor league deal seems likely. Very hard to see more than a 1-2M commitment.

 

Is there any precedent for a buyout that wouldn't be for like 37M of the 38M he's owed, with maybe some kind of deferment?

 

I'm thinking more like $32-34M buyout. He may not be able to recoup the difference entirely, but if it's a matter of him actually getting a chance to latch on with a team and finish his career with dignity vs. being passed through waivers easily and languishing in AAA, I think he'll take a bit of a haircut to move on.

[KevinGregg]

I'm thinking more like $32-34M buyout. He may not be able to recoup the difference entirely, but if it's a matter of him actually getting a chance to latch on with a team and finish his career with dignity vs. being passed through waivers easily and languishing in AAA, I think he'll take a bit of a haircut to move on.

 

Can't veterans refuse an outright assignment, even if they clear waivers?

[Dr. Dinger]

True, he could elect Free Agency:

 

Per Article XIX-A of the CBA, any player on an MLB 40-man roster who has accrued at least five years of MLB Service Time (as well as an international player with Article XIX-A contractual rights) has the right to refuse an Outright Assignment to the minors, or the player can elect to be a free-agent immediately upon being outrighted.

 

I’m assuming he would then receive his full contract. I guess the only recourse for the Jays is to dick him around and bench him and/or declare him medically unfit to play.

[TheHurl]

He would just have to claim that the injuries forced the retirement and get fully paid out. The only player I can remember walking away while owed big money was Gil Meche.

[tazsub3]

He would just have to claim that the injuries forced the retirement and get fully paid out. The only player I can remember walking away while owed big money was Gil Meche.

 

If that happens, would the jays be on the hook? or insurance covers it

[TheHurl]

If that happens, would the jays be on the hook? or insurance covers it

 

I understand that MLB contracts are insured in 3 year stretches and I've heard the Jays don't take insurance so even if he negotiated it with Colorado he likely isn't insured anymore. Insurance on contracts for players over 30 is around 15% of their salary in annual dues...so I would say that very few contracts these days are insured. Also insurance doesn't cover existing injuries. With Tulo that could be everything. Jays are likely on the hook for Tulo regardless.

[Spanky99]

I'm thinking more like $32-34M buyout. He may not be able to recoup the difference entirely, but if it's a matter of him actually getting a chance to latch on with a team and finish his career with dignity vs. being passed through waivers easily and languishing in AAA, I think he'll take a bit of a haircut to move on.

 

Yeah he did say the Jays would take the bulk of it, there's no video of it on their site, assumed it was worthy of that.

[Jimcanuck]

Wonder how the buyout will be paid off? The entire amount applied to the 2019 player budget would leave Martin as the only significant commitment after next season, with Hicks (29), Arenado (29), Wacha (30) among the potential free agents.

[Laika]

Wonder how the buyout will be paid off? The entire amount applied to the 2019 player budget would leave Martin as the only significant commitment after next season, with Hicks (29), Arenado (29), Wacha (30) among the potential free agents.

 

What a weird list of free agents to mention. Michael Wacha???

[Jimcanuck]

What a weird list of free agents to mention. Michael Wacha???

 

Just a sampling, bro

[Abomination]

Just a sampling, bro

 

A random one?

[Spanky99]

A random one?

 

A he owns Wacha in fantasy one.

[Jimcanuck]

A he owns Wacha in fantasy one.

 

No I don't. Also, this niggling over harmless posts is annoying.

[Laika]

this nigglet is annoying.

 

wtffffff Jim

[Jimcanuck]

niggling = find fault with (someone) in a petty way.

[Spanky99]

wtffffff Jim

 

lol

[Angrioter]

He would just have to claim that the injuries forced the retirement and get fully paid out. The only player I can remember walking away while owed big money was Gil Meche.

 

Ryan Dempster and the Cubs

[Boxcar]

niggling = find fault with (someone) in a petty way.

 

Holy s***, the tonedeafness in this post, I can't even.

 

Racial slurs have no place here. This is why POC are afraid of everyone all the time, white men just can't help but demean and dehumanize them. I hope you lose your job and end up homeless and destitute.

[Carlos Danger]

No I don't. Also, this niggling over harmless posts is annoying.

 

Jim, I am sorry to say, but your invitation to host the Oscars has been revoked. Shame, Shame, Shame!

[Dr. Dinger]

Holy s***, the tonedeafness in this post, I can't even.

 

Racial slurs have no place here. This is why POC are afraid of everyone all the time, white men just can't help but demean and dehumanize them. I hope you lose your job and end up homeless and destitute.

 

On tonight's segment of Is This Racist?

[DigitalRock]

Holy s***, the tonedeafness in this post, I can't even.

 

Racial slurs have no place here. This is why POC are afraid of everyone all the time, white men just can't help but demean and dehumanize them. I hope you lose your job and end up homeless and destitute.

 

I'm offended that you are offended. I'm going to da twitterz.

[Mikeleelop]

what has this board turned into? i barely visit anymore because of s*** like this. i don't care anymore, but grow up

[Carlos Danger]

what has this board turned into? i barely visit anymore because of s*** like this. i don't care anymore, but grow up

 

Just to clarify, are you offended by the level of sarcastic joking on this board, or because you really think we are serious, or because Jim is a racist?

 

Thanks