Offseason Roster Thread

Laika · January 7, 2019

I am honestly interested to know how they plan to put a rotation in place when they are looking to move into competitiveness in a year or two.

Collect depth obsessively, wait for the cream to rise, then sign a couple of cherries.

Toronto is not going to be as s***** as people think in 2019. They could reasonably finish .500 and be looking at 2020 offseason decisions like - do we keep Stroman in his last year of control and break camp with Bo on the roster? Do we make Aaron Sanchez an RP for 2020 to maximize that team's projected wins?

z3r0s · January 7, 2019

Collect depth obsessively, wait for the cream to rise, then sign a couple of cherries.

Toronto is not going to be as s***** as people think in 2019. They could reasonably finish .500 and be looking at 2020 offseason decisions like - do we keep Stroman in his last year of control and break camp with Bo on the roster? Do we make Aaron Sanchez an RP for 2020 to maximize that team's projected wins?

I love the depth, but its hard to imagine that we are going to fill out the top of our rotation (the 1-2 spots) with any of these guys unless Pearson can finally stay healthy and we get really lucky with someone else.

Laika · January 7, 2019

I love the depth, but its hard to imagine that we are going to fill out the top of our rotation (the 1-2 spots) with any of these guys unless Pearson can finally stay healthy and we get really lucky with someone else.

They'll almost certainly have to sign or trade for an arm or two to truly compete.

glory · January 7, 2019

I am honestly interested to know how they plan to put a rotation in place when they are looking to move into competitiveness in a year or two.

Next two years try out practically all the young pitching currently in AA/AAA, and trade prospect depth for vetrins.

The Jays are going to get to a point where they have too many prospects, and consolidating them for vets will become more sensible.

Todd · January 7, 2019

That would be a mistake. But that's everybody first response trade prospects.

Every team should always have a strong prospect pool at all times. Just in case of injuries.

And to always have strong teams in the future

L54 · January 7, 2019

That would be a mistake. But that's everybody first response trade prospects.

This is almost exactly the opposite of how people think around here

saskjayfan · January 8, 2019

I am honestly interested to know how they plan to put a rotation in place when they are looking to move into competitiveness in a year or two.

This is the trouble I have with this team. Who are the horses in the rotation in 2021? Maybe this is where they want to spend their free agent dollars. I just don't see enough high end pitching prospects to see a quality rotation in a two or three years.

Bobthe4th · January 8, 2019

Next two years try out practically all the young pitching currently in AA/AAA, and trade prospect depth for vetrins.

The Jays are going to get to a point where they have too many prospects, and consolidating them for vets will become more sensible.

This. Plus most of the free agent money will be spent on pitching (we’re going to have lots of payroll space).

Ray · January 8, 2019

Next two years try out practically all the young pitching currently in AA/AAA, and trade prospect depth for vetrins.

The Jays are going to get to a point where they have too many prospects, and consolidating them for vets will become more sensible.

The 2015 Astros had a rotation of Keuchel, McCullers, Feldman, McHugh, and Mike Fiers. Fast forward to 2019, they had Verlander, Keuchel, Cole, Morton and McCullers. Basically all the playoff teams had the strengths of their rotations built mainly through trades/free agency instead of home grown starters. Realistically, we only need 1-2 pitching prospects to become viable starters with the rest coming through trades/free agency.

Also of note, we have the 3rd lowest salary commitments for 2020 in all of baseball with only $16M. Lower than the Rays, Pirates, A's, Marlins, and Royals. Tons of money to be spent.

Jimcanuck · January 8, 2019

This is the trouble I have with this team. Who are the horses in the rotation in 2021? Maybe this is where they want to spend their free agent dollars. I just don't see enough high end pitching prospects to see a quality rotation in a two or three years.

A good number of the top pitchers in the game never sniffed a top 100 list. See Laika's cherry post above.

DigitalRock · January 8, 2019

A disappointing winter for the blue jays again.
Team has still not addressed the teams weakest.
Starting Pitching, bullpen, team speed nothing.
And it can not decide if they want to go young all around
or be one of the oldest teams in baseball. My opinion
go young and let them grow as a team. It's been done
before.

REBUILDING.....How does it work?

Laika · January 8, 2019

People don't give Danny Jansen enough respect.

Timeline talk always centres around "Vlad & Bo" but Jansen is a better prospect/asset than Bo. It's Vlad & Danny & Bo.

& Lourdes, of course.

Slade · January 8, 2019

A disappointing winter for the blue jays again.
Team has still not addressed the teams weakest.
Starting Pitching, bullpen, team speed nothing.
And it can not decide if they want to go young all around
or be one of the oldest teams in baseball. My opinion
go young and let them grow as a team. It's been done
before.

Were you expecting them to trade Pillar, Martin, Morales and Smoak? I think most of those guys are long shots to move and it's not like we have anyone who could take over full time for any of them except Martin who won't play everyday.

I think they did a pretty good job a collecting a s*** ton of pitching depth(more than we've ever had). There might not be any 1-2 guys here but there are a bunch of serviceable arms that they can just throw out there and see who sticks.

Dr. Dinger · January 8, 2019

People don't give Danny Jansen enough respect.

Timeline talk always centres around "Vlad & Bo" but Jansen is a better prospect/asset than Bo. It's Vlad & Danny & Bo.

& Lourdes, of course.

Your dumn

BigBounceyBlueBalls · January 8, 2019

Were you expecting them to trade Pillar, Martin, Morales and Smoak? I think most of those guys are long shots to move and it's not like we have anyone who could take over full time for any of them except Martin who won't play everyday.

Nope, I did not but ! Do not think any one here thought we would eat Tulo like money either!

Trading pillar I would like and losing morales
Would be a Dream adding to the offseason
Requires low returns but should be done
Still. several teams need them no need to be Greedy about it ! A low minor league player
Or international cap money !

Heck pillar at 50 and morales at 80-90 off
As to be Desirable to someone out here here at reduced prices !

Then Package make two pitching packages
And Deal them as a package and discount them by 50 off for one top 30 or two low minors ... Ie Starter, Stroman, Fringe Strater/longman Biagini , Bullpen Giles
Would that not be enough to get something like that ???

Deadpool · January 9, 2019

Were you expecting them to trade Pillar, Martin, Morales and Smoak? I think most of those guys are long shots to move and it's not like we have anyone who could take over full time for any of them except Martin who won't play everyday.

I think they did a pretty good job a collecting a s*** ton of pitching depth(more than we've ever had). There might not be any 1-2 guys here but there are a bunch of serviceable arms that they can just throw out there and see who sticks.

Grichuk/Alford could take over for Pillar and likely put up numbers as good or better. We don't need someone to take over for Morales, just rotate guys through DH for 2019. You could probably run with Tellez if you got a really good return on Smoak, but you're right there, he's not going to be nearly as good.

P2F · January 10, 2019

ZIPS

L54 · January 10, 2019

f*** ya, Danny Jansen with the Gregg Zaun comp from ZIPS

Terminator · January 11, 2019

So on the 1st page roster I assume Urena will be the one replacing Martin for now?

Spanky__99 · January 11, 2019

So on the 1st page roster I assume Urena will be the one replacing Martin for now?

David Phelps, no?

glory · January 11, 2019

Yeah Jays needed to open a 40 man roster spot for Phelps and trading Martin did it. Pompey saved for now.

Terminator · January 11, 2019

Talking about the 25 man

Spanky__99 · January 12, 2019

Talking about the 25 man

Yes, Urena...

https://www.rosterresource.com/mlb-toronto-blue-jays

Carlos Danger · January 12, 2019

Yes, Urena...

https://www.rosterresource.com/mlb-toronto-blue-jays

Don't like a projected starting lineup of Travis at 2b and Morales. Plus Biaginni and Barnes in the pen. We still have time though.. Those guys will drag us down.. Travis’s D is going to cost us, doubt he hits enough to make up for it.

Edited January 12, 2019 by Carlos Danger

P2F · January 12, 2019

Marcus Stroman, A3: $7.4M

Ken Giles, A2: $6.3M

Randal Grichuk, A2: $5M

Devon Travis, A2: $1.925M

Brandon Drury, A1: $1.3M

Joe Biagini, A1: $900K

Kevin Pillar, A2: TBA

Aaron Sanchez, A2: TBA

glory · January 12, 2019

$3.9m for Sanchez, and $5.8m for Pillar.

Damn of all the players that are arb eligible, we are going to arb with Ryan f’n Tepera.

Boxcar · January 12, 2019

Marcus Stroman, A3: $7.4M
Ken Giles, A2: $6.3M
Randal Grichuk, A2: $5M
Devon Travis, A2: $1.925M
Brandon Drury, A1: $1.3M
Joe Biagini, A1: $900K

Kevin Pillar, A2: TBA
Aaron Sanchez, A2: TBA

I don't really understand why they didn't just non tender Travis.

P2F · January 12, 2019

Blue Jays Payroll & 40-Man Roster (2019 and Beyond)

[TABLE=class: grid, width: 800]

[TR]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]Player[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Age[/TD]

[TD=align: center]2019[/TD]

[TD=align: center]2020[/TD]

[TD=align: center]2021[/TD]

[TD=align: center]2022[/TD]

[TD=align: center]2023[/TD]

[TD=align: center]2024

[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]1[/TD]

[TD]Kendrys Morales[/TD]

[TD=align: center]36[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$12M[/TD]

[TD=align: center]UFA[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]2[/TD]

[TD]Justin Smoak[/TD]

[TD=align: center]32[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$8MM[/TD]

[TD=align: center]UFA[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]3[/TD]

[TD]Marcus Stroman[/TD]

[TD=align: center]28[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$7.4MM[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A4[/TD]

[TD=align: center]UFA[/TD]

[TD=align: center][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]4[/TD]

[TD]Ken Giles[/TD]

[TD=align: center]28[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$6.3MM[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[TD=align: center]UFA[/TD]

[TD=align: center][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]5[/TD]

[TD]Kevin Pillar[/TD]

[TD=align: center]30[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$5.8MM[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[TD=align: center]UFA[/TD]

[TD=align: center][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]6[/TD]

[TD]Randal Grichuk[/TD]

[TD=align: center]27[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$5MM[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[TD=align: center]UFA[/TD]

[TD=align: center][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]7[/TD]

[TD]Aaron Sanchez[/TD]

[TD=align: center]27[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$3.9MM[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[TD=align: center]UFA[/TD]

[TD=align: center][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]8[/TD]

[TD]Matt Shoemaker[/TD]

[TD=align: center]32[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$3.5MM[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A4[/TD]

[TD=align: center]UFA[/TD]

[TD=align: center][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]9[/TD]

[TD]David Phelps[/TD]

[TD=align: center]32[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$2.5MM[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$3MM[/TD]

[TD=align: center]UFA[/TD]

[TD=align: center][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]10[/TD]

[TD]Lourdes Gurriel Jr.[/TD]

[TD=align: center]25[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$1.929MM[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$2.928MM[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$3.929MM[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$4.928MM[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$5.829MM[/TD]

[TD=align: center]UFA[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]11[/TD]

[TD]Devon Travis[/TD]

[TD=align: center]28[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$1.925MM[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A4[/TD]

[TD=align: center]UFA[/TD]

[TD=align: center][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]12[/TD]

[TD]Ryan Tepera[/TD]

[TD=align: center]31[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$1.7MM[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[TD=align: center]UFA[/TD]

[TD=align: center][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]13[/TD]

[TD]Clayton Richard[/TD]

[TD=align: center]35[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$1.5MM[/TD]

[TD=align: center]UFA[/TD]

[TD=align: center][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]14[/TD]

[TD]Brandon Drury[/TD]

[TD=align: center]26[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$1.3MM[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[TD=align: center]UFA[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]15[/TD]

[TD]Joe Biagini[/TD]

[TD=align: center]29[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$900K[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A4[/TD]

[TD=align: center]UFA[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]16[/TD]

[TD]Luke Maile[/TD]

[TD=align: center]28[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[TD=align: center]UFA[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]17[/TD]

[TD]Teoscar Hernandez[/TD]

[TD=align: center]26[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[TD=align: center]UFA[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]18[/TD]

[TD]Ryan Borucki[/TD]

[TD=align: center]25[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]19[/TD]

[TD]Billy McKinney[/TD]

[TD=align: center]24[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]20[/TD]

[TD]Danny Jansen[/TD]

[TD=align: center]24[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]21[/TD]

[TD]Richard Urena[/TD]

[TD=align: center]23[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]22[/TD]

[TD]David Paulino[/TD]

[TD=align: center]25[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]23[/TD]

[TD]Tim Mayza[/TD]

[TD=align: center]27[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]24[/TD]

[TD]Danny Barnes[/TD]

[TD=align: center]29[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[TD=align: center]UFA[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]25[/TD]

[TD]Thomas Pannone[/TD]

[TD=align: center]25[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]26[/TD]

[TD]Sam Gaviglio[/TD]

[TD=align: center]29[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[TD=align: center]UFA[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]27[/TD]

[TD]Elvis Luciano[/TD]

[TD=align: center]19[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]28[/TD]

[TD]Reese McGuire[/TD]

[TD=align: center]24[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]29[/TD]

[TD]Rowdy Tellez[/TD]

[TD=align: center]24[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]30[/TD]

[TD]Anthony Alford[/TD]

[TD=align: center]25[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[TD=align: center]UFA[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]31[/TD]

[TD]Dalton Pompey[/TD]

[TD=align: center]26[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[TD=align: center]UFA[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]32[/TD]

[TD]Jonathan Davis[/TD]

[TD=align: center]27[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[TD=align: center]UFA[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]33[/TD]

[TD]Dwight Smith Jr.[/TD]

[TD=align: center]26[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[TD=align: center]UFA[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]34[/TD]

[TD]Sean Reid-Foley[/TD]

[TD=align: center]23[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]35[/TD]

[TD]Julian Merryweather[/TD]

[TD=align: center]27[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]36[/TD]

[TD]Trent Thornton[/TD]

[TD=align: center]25[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]37[/TD]

[TD]Jacob Waguespack[/TD]

[TD=align: center]25[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A3[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]38[/TD]

[TD]Patrick Murphy[/TD]

[TD=align: center]24[/TD]

[TD=align: center]--[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]39[/TD]

[TD]Hector Perez[/TD]

[TD=align: center]23[/TD]

[TD=align: center]--[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]40[/TD]

[TD]Yennsy Diaz[/TD]

[TD=align: center]22[/TD]

[TD=align: center]--[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Pre-Arb[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A1[/TD]

[TD=align: center]A2[/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

Retained Salaries

[TABLE=class: grid, width: 547]

[TR]

[TD]Player[/TD]

[TD=align: center]2019[/TD]

[TD=align: center]2020[/TD]

[TD=align: center]2021[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Troy Tulowitzki[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$19.445MM[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$14MM[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$4MM[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Russell Martin[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$16.4MM[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Jaime Garcia[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$2MM[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Yangervis Solarte[/TD]

[TD=align: center]$750K[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

[TABLE=class: grid, width: 547]

[TR]

[TD=align: right][/TD]

[TD=align: center]2019[/TD]

[TD=align: center]2020[/TD]

[TD=align: center]2021[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Total Salary Commitments[/TD]

[TD=align: center]~$110MM[/TD]

[TD=align: center]~$18MM[/TD]

[TD=align: center]~$8MM[/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

[TABLE=class: grid, width: 450]

[TR]

[TD]Red indicates a player having reached unrestricted free agency[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Orange indicates an estimated/projected salary[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Blue indicates a club option[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Green indicates a salary partially covered[/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

There's about to be a whole lot of money off the books after this season, with Vlad, Bo, Jansen, and Biggio about to make the jump to the major leagues. Past them, there's an absurd amount of talent coming down the minor league pipes in the subsequent seasons. With so much money to utilize after 2019, this front office will be free to spend money to fill out the roster as the cream of the team rises to the top.

Operation Perpetual Competitive Window is about to begin.

Edited January 12, 2019 by P2F

Abomination · January 12, 2019

There's about to be a whole lot of money off the books after this season, with Vlad, Bo, Jansen, and Biggio about to make the jump to the major leagues. Past them, there's an absurd amount of talent coming down the minor league pipes in the subsequent seasons. With so much money to utilize after 2019, this front office will be free to spend money to fill out the roster as the cream of the team rises to the top.

Operation Perpetual Competitive Window is about to begin.

We're also in a fantastic position to take on a one or two year bad contract at the deadline if a potential luxury tax team gets desperate.

glory · January 12, 2019

Alex A once said that buyouts count against current payroll, not future. I remember an example where Rajai Davis had a $3m option or $500k buyout after 2012. AA bought him out for $500k, then signed him for $2.5M in 2013. The logic was he got $3M anyway, but the $500k buyout counted against 2012 payroll. So basically AA saved $500k for 2013 by doing that.

Are we sure the buyouts for Garcia, Solarte, etc, count for 2019? Not that it makes much of a difference, but now I'm curious how it works.

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