Donaldson Aug 31 Trade Thread

[Boxcar]

I think there are way too many holes to fill this off season. The Blue Jays aren't the only team who will be bringing up a prospect or two next year, fyi. Right now, they are 19 games back of the WC, lol. Weren't the jays competing last year for the WC, or was it this year too? You can say the Jays are competing with like half the AL for a WC (twins/mariners/A's/angels/rays/yankees). Plus Rangers/White Sox should be better next year too. But the Yanks should have 1 spot locked in next year again, so, next year = no bueno.

 

They don't need to go into win now mode. The starting pitching needs to be sorted out but I'm saying next year won't be a hopeless, dull, lost season like this one was. It should at least be exciting into September.

[BTS]

highly unlikely

 

I think people are being a bit pessimistic about the team’s 2019 chances. Minnesota won the WC last year, and Oakland is going to win this year. There’s no reason why the team can’t be on that level.

 

I actually think the team should make a free agent splash this offseason. The only salary they have committed is Morales and Martin through 2019 and Tulowitzki through 2020. Go out and get two of Keuchel/Happ/Corbin, and maybe an AJ Pollock.

 

 

And FFS don’t bring back Estrada or keep Sanchez in the rotation.

[Krylian]

Good lord. I can't believe any of you think there's any shot at a WC. OK. Let's reconvene about this time next season and see. If the Jays are a .500 team next season I'll be f***ing shocked.

[BTS]

Good lord. I can't believe any of you think there's any shot at a WC. OK. Let's reconvene about this time next season and see. If the Jays are a .500 team next season I'll be f***ing shocked.

 

The team right now, after it has divested itself of all short-term assets, is still projected as a 78-79 win team with no Vlad.

[Agk47]

It reads like a reddit copy/paste, and he's super defensive about it for whatever reason. It's pretty clear most if not all of that is made up. It's not the Josh is a douche part that's hard to believe, it's the whole story itself.

 

To the clowns who immediately responded and called me a liar who makes things up on a Saturday night.

 

I’m not being defensive.

 

That’s what happened. Donaldson’s a jerk.

 

I do t care if you believe me, it’s saturday night and your instantly responding to my anecdote to call me a liar.

 

Get A life, as in if you had one or any real life experience of your own (of interest) you wouldnt spend your Saturday night discrediting mine.

 

I mean it’s not like I’m bragging about banging Pamela Anderson, I got shoulder blocked to hell into a mailbox— it hurt.

 

To add context, I probably shouldn’t have ogled his girl.

 

It was a real “me and my big mouth moment”

 

Thank god it was a pro and not your run of the

Mill juice head or he would have killed me.

 

 

Believe it or not some people actually have real s*** happen to them.

 

 

Glad to have provided meaning to your Saturday nights!

[John_Havok]

Good lord. I can't believe any of you think there's any shot at a WC. OK. Let's reconvene about this time next season and see. If the Jays are a .500 team next season I'll be f***ing shocked.

 

Of course there's a chance, there's going to be a lot of dead weight from this year's team gone. That plus the addition of Vlad only is probably 3-5 wins in the plus without even trying to fix the god awful rotation, which can't really be worse than it was this year given its in the bottom 5 or 6 of pretty much everything.

 

Improving to 85ish wins next season is definitely not some monumentally impossible task.

[Bobthe4th]

Good lord. I can't believe any of you think there's any shot at a WC. OK. Let's reconvene about this time next season and see. If the Jays are a .500 team next season I'll be f***ing shocked.

 

Do you think Oakland have a significantly better team than we do? They’ve had a couple of players have breakout seasons, and a good run of form.

 

No one thinks we will add Vlad and suddenly be elite, but thinking we’re automatically miles off a second wildcard next year is pessimistic. Depending on offseason moves we could be up there with teams like the Angels as the mid tier teams.

[Jimcanuck]

I think people are being a bit pessimistic about the team’s 2019 chances. Minnesota won the WC last year, and Oakland is going to win this year. There’s no reason why the team can’t be on that level.

 

I actually think the team should make a free agent splash this offseason. The only salary they have committed is Morales and Martin through 2019 and Tulowitzki through 2020. Go out and get two of Keuchel/Happ/Corbin, and maybe an AJ Pollock.

 

 

And FFS don’t bring back Estrada or keep Sanchez in the rotation.

 

Sure, but same can be said for virtually every other other 'non-contending' AL team (O's excepted). As I said it is not realistic to think of the Jays as WC team. Could happen, but quite unlikely.

 

Hell, being realistic have to project the White Sox as ahead of the Jays in 2019.

[Krylian]

Fine. Technically anything is possible. But I'm not anticipating anything exciting this off-season, and I'm not as bullish on a lot of our existing pieces as some of you are. But I guess we'll see.

 

My benchmark is to see the makings of a championship team I guess. This is where I don't see the Jays anywhere close.

[TheHurl]

I think people are being a bit pessimistic about the team’s 2019 chances. Minnesota won the WC last year, and Oakland is going to win this year. There’s no reason why the team can’t be on that level.

 

I actually think the team should make a free agent splash this offseason. The only salary they have committed is Morales and Martin through 2019 and Tulowitzki through 2020. Go out and get two of Keuchel/Happ/Corbin, and maybe an AJ Pollock.

 

 

And FFS don’t bring back Estrada or keep Sanchez in the rotation.

 

I really think that they are heavy on FA pitching this off season, even though it is against their M.O. As long as the AL remains top heavy with the big 4 that 5th playoff spot will be in play for everyone who isn't Baltimore. Tampa remains the most innovative team out there but their ceiling is still wildcard at this point and no one would be surprised if they drop back to below .500. To think where they could be right now if they didn't start 3-12

[John_Havok]

Fine. Technically anything is possible. But I'm not anticipating anything exciting this off-season, and I'm not as bullish on a lot of our existing pieces as some of you are. But I guess we'll see.

 

My benchmark is to see the makings of a championship team I guess. This is where I don't see the Jays anywhere close.

 

Your benchmark is unrealistic. When you have unrealistic expectations, you set yourself up for disappointment

[DigitalRock]

I mean sure...anything can happen. Teams can come out of nowhere and contend...too much would need to go right though for it to be very realistic next year. We have yet to see as well if when needed will rogers and Shatkins spend money on free agents to put a good team over the hump.

[Todd Van Anus]

Really? The current WC teams are the Yankees and A's. Are you saying there's no way we can be better than the A's or Mariners with Vlad and some key acquisitions?

 

Oh right, you won't be happy until literally everyone older than 21 is dealt for some reason.

2020 I agree with you. 2019 is a stretch.

[bones10]

I really dont see a competitive team next year, how can you even say for sure that they call up Vlad, especially if the team got off to a piss poor start?

[Todd Van Anus]

To the clowns who immediately responded and called me a liar who makes things up on a Saturday night.

 

I’m not being defensive.

 

That’s what happened. Donaldson’s a jerk.

 

I do t care if you believe me, it’s saturday night and your instantly responding to my anecdote to call me a liar.

 

Get A life, as in if you had one or any real life experience of your own (of interest) you wouldnt spend your Saturday night discrediting mine.

 

I mean it’s not like I’m bragging about banging Pamela Anderson, I got shoulder blocked to hell into a mailbox— it hurt.

 

To add context, I probably shouldn’t have ogled his girl.

 

It was a real “me and my big mouth moment”

 

Thank god it was a pro and not your run of the

Mill juice head or he would have killed me.

 

 

Believe it or not some people actually have real s*** happen to them.

 

 

Glad to have provided meaning to your Saturday nights!

 

Looks like you were at home hanging out on the computer Saturday night too. And I still call BS on your story.

[Farm]

Do you think Oakland have a significantly better team than we do? They’ve had a couple of players have breakout seasons, and a good run of form.

 

No one thinks we will add Vlad and suddenly be elite, but thinking we’re automatically miles off a second wildcard next year is pessimistic. Depending on offseason moves we could be up there with teams like the Angels as the mid tier teams.

 

Pretty sure this is the type of thinking that helped us get a PTBNL for Donaldson.

 

I really think it's a shame that we didn't sell sooner last year and this year to better prepare for the next wave with Vladdy and Bichette.

 

It should always be Championship or bust, and it was far-fetched to think we had a legit shot during the trading deadline last year and last offseason. It's truly hard to fathom why we kept some guys so long.

 

Ideally we could have bottomed out this year, gotten an even better farm and a top pick to boot while keeping Vlad down this year.

 

Next year is this awkward time when we HAVE to call Vlad up, and I'm not sure we want to suck from a developmental standpoint with all this youth.

 

Last year's 15% chance of sneaking into the wildcard shouldn't have caused us to hold onto Donaldson, Happ, and Stroman. But I think the play this offseason is to try to win and sign some free agents that have a good chance of being traded for value next year when we inevitably miss the playoffs.

 

AKA lots of relievers and some smart starting pitching contracts.

[Todd Van Anus]

It's also time to sell Stroman when Atkins feels his value is at its highest.

[John_Havok]

Pretty sure this is the type of thinking that helped us get a PTBNL for Donaldson.

 

I really think it's a shame that we didn't sell sooner last year and this year to better prepare for the next wave with Vladdy and Bichette.

 

It should always be Championship or bust, and it was far-fetched to think we had a legit shot during the trading deadline last year and last offseason. It's truly hard to fathom why we kept some guys so long.

 

Ideally we could have bottomed out this year, gotten an even better farm and a top pick to boot while keeping Vlad down this year.

 

Next year is this awkward time when we HAVE to call Vlad up, and I'm not sure we want to suck from a developmental standpoint with all this youth.

 

Last year's 15% chance of sneaking into the wildcard shouldn't have caused us to hold onto Donaldson, Happ, and Stroman. But I think the play this offseason is to try to win and sign some free agents that have a good chance of being traded for value next year when we inevitably miss the playoffs.

 

AKA lots of relievers and some smart starting pitching contracts.

 

You realize that's exactly what the FO did this year... and you just s*** on it?

[DigitalRock]

I made the mistake of commenting on a facebook comment on the Jays page...boy people sure are dumb. Why did I bother.

[Todd Van Anus]

I made the mistake of commenting on a facebook comment on the Jays page...boy people sure are dumb. Why did I bother.

What did you say?

[Spanky99]

Relevant to your guys discussion; Atkins on the Jays next 3 years window/expectations, it's on the left hand side of the page in video, scroll to Atkins believes Blue Jays will be competitive in 3 years

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/

[Farm]

You realize that's exactly what the FO did this year... and you just s*** on it?

 

Last offseason they had pieces they could sell that could legitimately get something valuable back, but they didn't... that's a big difference.

 

We should have traded away MORE players so that we could sign MORE players so that we could get MORE prospects back when we traded them away.

 

Are you being disingenuous on purpose?

[Spanky99]

Fyi...

 

after long being rumoured to be on the move, the toronto blue jays finally pulled the trigger on friday sending superstar third baseman josh donaldson to the cleveland indians in exchange for a player to be named later.

 

The indians are introducing donaldson as its latest member at a press conference sunday afternoon at 1:45 p.m. Et/ 10:45 a.m. Pt, and you can watch it live on sportsnet 360 and on sportsnet.ca.

 

Note: If the video player does not appear atop this page at the scheduled time, please refresh your browser.

[Agk47]

Pretty sure this is the type of thinking that helped us get a PTBNL for Donaldson.

 

I really think it's a shame that we didn't sell sooner last year and this year to better prepare for the next wave with Vladdy and Bichette.

 

It should always be Championship or bust, and it was far-fetched to think we had a legit shot during the trading deadline last year and last offseason. It's truly hard to fathom why we kept some guys so long.

 

Ideally we could have bottomed out this year, gotten an even better farm and a top pick to boot while keeping Vlad down this year.

 

Next year is this awkward time when we HAVE to call Vlad up, and I'm not sure we want to suck from a developmental standpoint with all this youth.

 

Last year's 15% chance of sneaking into the wildcard shouldn't have caused us to hold onto Donaldson, Happ, and Stroman. But I think the play this offseason is to try to win and sign some free agents that have a good chance of being traded for value next year when we inevitably miss the playoffs.

 

AKA lots of relievers and some smart starting pitching contracts.

 

If the Yankees can spend the previous three years rebuilding while remaining competitive/relevant, than so can the blue jays.

 

One thing I’ve learned from the nba — losing builds a losing culture. Chasing lottery balls/prospects fails more than it works and even when it does work— half of those scenarios are a result of luck.

[Carlos Danger]

It's also time to sell Stroman when Atkins feels his value is at its highest.

 

And Travis

[tercet]

I can confirm that Donaldson appears to be an uber douche, at the Russel Martin poker tourney 2 months ago, he just hung out with players the entire time, he lost in the poker tournament in 5~min and on the way out he just left the stadium/field while most players/coaches hung around to chat with fans.

[John_Havok]

It's also time to sell Stroman when Atkins feels his value is at its highest.

 

That sure as s*** isn't right now.

[John_Havok]

Last offseason they had pieces they could sell that could legitimately get something valuable back, but they didn't... that's a big difference.

 

We should have traded away MORE players so that we could sign MORE players so that we could get MORE prospects back when we traded them away.

 

Are you being disingenuous on purpose?

 

Revisionist history is stupid. A team like the Jays can't go into every offseason looking to trade every player with 1 year left on their contract, just cuz they might suck in that last year.

 

It was especially impossible last season, given the incredible lack of depth the team had in the minors thanks to the previous administration.

 

Yes, there were plenty of valid points that trading Donaldson before the season was a good idea. There were also plenty of valid points to keeping him. They went one way and it didn't work out the way anyone wanted it to, that's for sure.

 

But since I'm morbidly curious, please provide your list of current Jays that absolutely should be traded in this offseason, and also provide either their internal replacement and/or FA signings that you can guarantee will happen for the 1 or 2 year deals that are the easiest to trade at the deadline to contenders?

[Spanky99]

JD was classy AF talking about the Birds, in his interview with Shi Davidi, and he dug to get JD to say something bad about the Jays.

 

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/josh-donaldson-im-leaving-city-love/

[DigitalRock]

JD was classy AF talking about the Birds, in his interview with Shi Davidi, and he dug to get JD to say something bad about the Jays.

 

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/josh-donaldson-im-leaving-city-love/

 

He seemed genuine....gonna miss JD.