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"Kendrys Morales is a one tool player who can't run or field and is completely redundant on this team. His contract makes it very hard for him to be traded without the Blue Jays eating most of it. But even so, the team should consider it because Steve Pearce is a superior ballplayer and could make better use of the roster spot. The FO totally dropped the ball giving him a multi-year contract and should be catapulted into the sun for it."

 

I just love reading this lamentation repeatedly in every single f***ing thread. So much so that I created this one where hopefully everyone can pour their hearts out over how bad Kendrys Morales is here and get it out of their system.

 

What you glass is half empty motherf***ers seem to forget is that this is a good thing that Kendrys Morales is redundant. When Morales and Pearce were both signed the 1B/DH depth on this team consisted of:

 

1. Pre-2017 Justin Smoak

2. Rowdy Tellez

3. I dunno, probably Goins or something.

 

Morales is only so useless because Smoak was so good last year. If Smoak had another .650 OPS backup first baseman season in 2017, everyone would be clamoring to DFA him and his mere $4M commitment and nobody would be complaining about Morales or Pearce because they would slot into the DH and 1B roles perfectly.

 

So in reality we should be privileged and happy that Morales is so useless on this team. Not crying about it....over and over again. Because the alternative is actually much worse. In this reality we have Morales who is a negative asset taking up a roster spot and Smoak who, if he builds on 2017, is a useful player and potentially an asset to trade at the deadline if 2018 doesn't go well for this team. In the even shittier universe, Morales is not taking up a roster spot and not an immediate sell even if you have to eat the contract, and the Jays do not have a useful asset as potential trade bait at the deadline.

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"Kendrys Morales is a one tool player who can't run or field and is completely redundant on this team. His contract makes it very hard for him to be traded without the Blue Jays eating most of it. But even so, the team should consider it because Steve Pearce is a superior ballplayer and could make better use of the roster spot. The FO totally dropped the ball giving him a multi-year contract and should be catapulted into the sun for it."

 

I just love reading this lamentation repeatedly in every single f***ing thread. So much so that I created this one where hopefully everyone can pour their hearts out over how bad Kendrys Morales is here and get it out of their system.

 

What you glass is half empty motherf***ers seem to forget is that this is a good thing that Kendrys Morales is redundant. When Morales and Pearce were both signed the 1B/DH depth on this team consisted of:

 

1. Pre-2017 Justin Smoak

2. Rowdy Tellez

3. I dunno, probably Goins or something.

 

Morales is only so useless because Smoak was so good last year. If Smoak had another .650 OPS backup first baseman season in 2017, everyone would be clamoring to DFA him and his mere $4M commitment and nobody would be complaining about Morales or Pearce because they would slot into the DH and 1B roles perfectly.

 

So in reality we should be privileged and happy that Morales is so useless on this team. Not crying about it....over and over again. Because the alternative is actually much worse. In this reality we have Morales who is a negative asset taking up a roster spot and Smoak who, if he builds on 2017, is a useful player and potentially an asset to trade at the deadline if 2018 doesn't go well for this team. In the even shittier universe, Morales is not taking up a roster spot and not an immediate sell even if you have to eat the contract, and the Jays do not have a useful asset as potential trade bait at the deadline.

 

Meh Shaddup... I for one hope Kendrys rakes this year, if he's still here come April. Your troll game is falling, bruh. :P

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The front office was fooled by the exit velocity. Someone tinker with his damn swing so he stops hitting so many grounders, and maybe he'd actually be an above average hitter. The bat speed and the exit velocity is still there. But he's getting at an age where you can't expect too many bounce backs and he provides no value doing anything else.

 

Save us, KC. Take the popular clubhouse guy who can help your young players during a rebuild. You know you want to.

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Dick_Pole

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I bet dollars to doughnuts Kendrys spent the offseason stuffing his face.... his gut will be hanging over the plate this year

 

Lots of HBP. Good OBP then.

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Meh Shaddup... I for one hope Kendrys rakes this year, if he's still here come April. Your troll game is falling, bruh. :P

 

 

Why does everything I post have to be a troll game? Can't I just be having an honest opinion?

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Why does everything I post have to be a troll game? Can't I just be having an honest opinion?

 

Cause it's what you mostly do on this side of the forum, especially when you call out the forum members.

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Using WAR to measure a DH is mad schtoop. Why would I care to measure his performance relative to players that actually take the field? Use wRC+ to judge him for the only skill he shows up to the ballpark with and win at life more.
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Using WAR to measure a DH is mad schtoop. Why would I care to measure his performance relative to players that actually take the field? Use wRC+ to judge him for the only skill he shows up to the ballpark with and win at life more.

 

You need a Snickers bro...

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=dh&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2017&month=0&season1=2015&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=17,d

 

Better???

 

No one under 11 million available is even close.

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I'd take Adam Lind all day long over Morales. He's not a great base runner, but he's much better than Morales on the base paths and he can actually play 1st base well enough to give smoak a day off. He will be lucky to get 5 mil.

 

I'd rather pass on both Lind and Morales and have Grandy platoon with Pearce and have Pearce, Grandy, Diaz and Solarte should be rotating through the DH spot or the regular that they might be in the field for. We have too many bodies now and our young guys won't get as much of an opportunity.

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You should be able to get a 1 WAR fulltime player for a lot less than $11 Million per season.

 

And often you can, but that doesn't change the fair market value of $1 WAR (between $9-11M depending on your source). This is by no means a mega contract.

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Hey instead of bitching about how our front office spent $11M last season for a -0.6 WAR DH, and then pointing to Alonso's contract and lumping 1B/DH together, how about we re-frame this pissbaby bitchfest and say our front office spent $15.1M last season for our 2.8 WAR 1B & DH! Because you can't piss and moan about Morales out of one side of your mouth without giving this same FO credit for Smoak's bargain contract. That's a net expenditure of $5.4M per WAR, which is an excellent rate of return. Suck s***, crybabies.
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Hey instead of bitching about how our front office spent $11M last season for a -0.6 WAR DH, and then pointing to Alonso's contract and lumping 1B/DH together, how about we re-frame this pissbaby bitchfest and say our front office spent $15.1M last season for our 2.8 WAR 1B & DH! Because you can't piss and moan about Morales out of one side of your mouth without giving this same FO credit for Smoak's bargain contract. That's a net expenditure of $5.4M per WAR, which is an excellent rate of return. Suck s***, crybabies.

 

Yeah. I refuse to bitch about Morales because I complained bigly about the Smoak extension and was very, very wrong. I’m assuming the same batted ball data painted both Morales and Smoak in a flattering light before they gave them their contracts.

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Yeah. I refuse to bitch about Morales because I complained bigly about the Smoak extension and was very, very wrong. I’m assuming the same batted ball data painted both Morales and Smoak in a flattering light before they gave them their contracts.

 

They'll probably combine for 2-3 WAR again this year. Nothing earth-shattering but still better than market value on the dollar.

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Yeah. I refuse to bitch about Morales because I complained bigly about the Smoak extension and was very, very wrong. I’m assuming the same batted ball data painted both Morales and Smoak in a flattering light before they gave them their contracts.

 

I'm purposely bitching about Morales. I bitched about smoak all day long and he had the best year of his career. I'm hoping the same for Morales! I also bitched about the Adam Lind trade for Estrada and that turned out well for the Jays too!

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Hey instead of bitching about how our front office spent $11M last season for a -0.6 WAR DH, and then pointing to Alonso's contract and lumping 1B/DH together, how about we re-frame this pissbaby bitchfest and say our front office spent $15.1M last season for our 2.8 WAR 1B & DH! Because you can't piss and moan about Morales out of one side of your mouth without giving this same FO credit for Smoak's bargain contract. That's a net expenditure of $5.4M per WAR, which is an excellent rate of return. Suck s***, crybabies.

 

They also traded for Jay Bruce before his offensive recovery, so they saw that coming as well. I'd trust their judgment. THey won't be right on everything but it's not like they signed Morales because his HR/RBI will make fans forget about Edwin. There were underlying reasons to like him, especially as he went to a more hitter friendly park. He was 9th in avg exit velocity in 2017 so he's still hitting the ball hard. I'm not even sure what to predict for his performance in 2018. It seems like maybe a tweak to his swing can make him a better hitter but he might be too old to listen to that.

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Hey instead of bitching about how our front office spent $11M last season for a -0.6 WAR DH, and then pointing to Alonso's contract and lumping 1B/DH together, how about we re-frame this pissbaby bitchfest and say our front office spent $15.1M last season for our 2.8 WAR 1B & DH! Because you can't piss and moan about Morales out of one side of your mouth without giving this same FO credit for Smoak's bargain contract. That's a net expenditure of $5.4M per WAR, which is an excellent rate of return. Suck s***, crybabies.

 

 

If the FO makes a bad deal, then it's a bad deal. If the FO makes a good deal, then it's a good deal.

 

Smoak was very good (assuming he doesn't revert back to his old ways).

Morales was very bad (assuming he doesn't find himself again).

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If the FO makes a bad deal, then it's a bad deal. If the FO makes a good deal, then it's a good deal.

 

Smoak was very good (assuming he doesn't revert back to his old ways).

Morales was very bad (assuming he doesn't find himself again).

 

No, that's where you're wrong. Morales is not a very bad deal. It's a minor bad deal. Smoak's was a very good deal. And you have to take the good with that bad.

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Hey instead of bitching about how our front office spent $11M last season for a -0.6 WAR DH, and then pointing to Alonso's contract and lumping 1B/DH together, how about we re-frame this pissbaby bitchfest and say our front office spent $15.1M last season for our 2.8 WAR 1B & DH! Because you can't piss and moan about Morales out of one side of your mouth without giving this same FO credit for Smoak's bargain contract. That's a net expenditure of $5.4M per WAR, which is an excellent rate of return. Suck s***, crybabies.

 

This guy gets it. In addition to what Dinger has been saying, it's very stupid to look at any one deal in a vacuum. Coming out of the 2016 season, the Jays had piss poor depth at offensive positions 1B, DH and RF and two star players at FA with a lot of pressure to sign them since the 2015 offseason. A weaker front office with an open check book and we could be looking at maybe $300 million or more of commitments between EE and JB. Instead the FO filled those holes adequately for about 15-20% of that cost in JB, Pearce, Smoak and Morales and NONE of the commitment beyond 2019.

 

This is why I cannot give people stock tips anymore. I give them 10 picks, they make money on 8 and will bitch and moan endlessly on the 2 bad ones.

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