General 2018 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[BTS]

I think AA made a bunch of mistakes. His record overall is definitely mixed, but he wasn't turning a fringe team into a team sneaking into the playoffs. 2015 I think we were undoubtedly the best team in baseball and there's some credit due for that.

 

Atlanta he has obviously just inherited at this point. It'll take a few years to see if he makes the same mistakes.

 

I’m not impressed by someone who can assemble a team that’s elite for 1-2 years. This market can sustain a perpetually high-end team.

[glory]

Russell Martin to the Astros a fit?

 

McCann's option probably isn't gonna be picked up, Maldanado is a free agent, and Stassi is a backup. Not catching prospects coming up the pipeline. Plus with all the young pitching they have coming up, they're gonna need a good framer and game caller.

 

More trades with the Astros works for me. They don't mind trading good prospects, even in salary dumps. Eat up a large chunk of Martin's deal and I think the Jays get a good/solid prospect from the Astros (assuming they have interest). Any other team, I wouldn't expect much.

[glory]

It's annoying that AA will get credit for the Braves success this year when he had nothing to do with it. Off the top of my head, the only pieces of consequence he added were Culberson, Gausman, and Anibal Sanchez, who played well, and McCarthy, Moylan, and Duvall, who were s***.

 

Dude waited for the perfect time to bail here before s*** got bad, then the perfect time to waltz in and take the job in Atlanta as things were getting good.

 

Yeah anyone who credits AA for the Braves is either dumn or a troll, but I think we will hear a lot of it over the next week or so, especially if they advance.

 

I actually think AA is smart as hell for what he did though. Let someone else to clean up his mess, left as a cult hero, and then got the best job any executive could ask for, while probably getting a huge bump in pay.

[xposbrad]

More trades with the Astros works for me. They don't mind trading good prospects, even in salary dumps. Eat up a large chunk of Martin's deal and I think the Jays get a good/solid prospect from the Astros (assuming they have interest). Any other team, I wouldn't expect much.

 

Sorry, I just thought I read that you think even if the Jays eat 3/4 of RM's salary, that they would get a good prospect back lol. By good prospect you mean most likely someone ranked in their farm in the 20-30 range right?

[Dick_Pole]

ITT: BTS jealous of a man who knows how to pad his resume while he's stuck at a dead end job putting out one fire after the next.

[BTS]

ITT: BTS jealous of a man who knows how to pad his resume while he's stuck at a dead end job putting out one fire after the next.

 

I mean, yeah pretty much

[glory]

Sorry, I just thought I read that you think even if the Jays eat 3/4 of RM's salary, that they would get a good prospect back lol. By good prospect you mean most likely someone ranked in their farm in the 20-30 range right?

 

Any other team than the Astros we get a middling prospect at best. The Astros trade intriguing prospects like candy though.

[Spanky99]

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/expect-blue-jays-prospects-arizona-fall-league/

[spats]

Good start for Vladdy in the AFL opener. Goes 3-5 with two doubles and 3 rbi's.

[Krylian]

Good start for Vladdy in the AFL opener. Goes 3-5 with two doubles and 3 rbi's.

 

So what you're saying is he f***ed up on 2 ABs. He's not ready. Start the season in AAA.

[spats]

Haha.Right... and he only went 3 for 4 last night with 2 more doubles. He f***ed up another at bat and has no homers. Don't believe the hype.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Russell Martin to the Astros a fit?

 

McCann's option probably isn't gonna be picked up, Maldanado is a free agent, and Stassi is a backup. Not catching prospects coming up the pipeline. Plus with all the young pitching they have coming up, they're gonna need a good framer and game caller.

 

Man, I hope so. I would eat $16M and only want 1-2 low level prospects honestly. It'd be good for Martin, too.

[Boxcar]

Man, I hope so. I would eat $16M and only want 1-2 low level prospects honestly. It'd be good for Martin, too.

 

that seems like an extraordinarily poor use of funds.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

that seems like an extraordinarily poor use of funds.

 

It seems like a perfect use of funds. Get rid of dead weight, and haul in 1-2 prospects.

[Boxcar]

It seems like a perfect use of funds. Get rid of dead weight, and haul in 1-2 prospects.

 

Ah, I see. You think Martin is dead weight for some reason. Well, he isn't, the prospects you'd be getting back are org guys, and you'd need to replace him on the roster. Pretty surprising that people seem to not want Jansen learning from a borderline HOF catcher and would rather pay him 16 million dollars to play for a different team.

[Laika]

Russell Martin is absolutely the hill that I will die on in the 2019 Offseason Roster Discussion Threads.

 

He should be on the 2019 roster, full. f***ing. stop. and there is barely an argument to the contrary. Here I will present the only such argument to the contrary:

 

"If some team really values Martin for some reason and will take on a big chunk of his salary and/or give Toronto a decent talent return then they should trade him."

 

That's pretty much it. Cutting him is retarded. He's also the Manager of the Future (MOTF).

[Sammy225]

It seems like a perfect use of funds. Get rid of dead weight, and haul in 1-2 prospects.

 

So essentially you are wanting to pay 16M to get 2 prospects that ARE NOT likely to be top 10 prospects in the organization. Does not make a lot of sense does it.

[Laika]

So essentially you are wanting to pay 16M to get 2 prospects that ARE NOT likely to be top 10 prospects in the organization. Does not make a lot of sense does it.

 

I mean it might if they are like, top 20 org prospects though.

[BTS]

So essentially you are wanting to pay 16M to get 2 prospects that ARE NOT likely to be top 10 prospects in the organization. Does not make a lot of sense does it.

 

Well, most of Martin's 2019 salary is a sunk cost, so you're not really paying $16M for two prospects if you don't think he'll provide much value on the field.

 

That said, I'd rather just keep him around for a final year than eat 80% of his contract for a couple of fringe guys. Hope he retires after 2019 and moves into another role in the org.

 

Does anyone really have a burning desire to see Reese McGuire on the team full time immediately?

[Carlos Danger]

Ah, I see. You think Martin is dead weight for some reason. Well, he isn't, the prospects you'd be getting back are org guys, and you'd need to replace him on the roster. Pretty surprising that people seem to not want Jansen learning from a borderline HOF catcher and would rather pay him 16 million dollars to play for a different team.

 

Then make Russel a 20 million a year coach.. Because that is what you are suggesting he be there for.. Coaching... Dump him, eat some salary, then let the kids play, bring in a great catcher coach (Sal the mustache or someone), then offer Martin a position in a year after his contract is up...

 

We will not have roster management flexibility and efficiency with Martin being dead weight so he can "coach".

[Carlos Danger]

Well, most of Martin's 2019 salary is a sunk cost, so you're not really paying $16M for two prospects if you don't think he'll provide much value on the field.

 

That said, I'd rather just keep him around for a final year than eat 80% of his contract for a couple of fringe guys. Hope he retires after 2019 and moves into another role in the org.

 

Does anyone really have a burning desire to see Reese McGuire on the team full time immediately?

 

Me, as someone who wants a winner, and me who is a fan who spends money on tickets. The kid is a gamer and I would much rather go spend hundreds of dollars to go to that concrete behemoth and watch Reese , Rowdy and Borucki then Martin and Morales and some has been veteran SP...

 

I also think Reese will out hit Martin (which isn't hard) if given an opportunity..

[glory]

Martin just spent all of Sept riding the bench despite being healthy. He's not going to be back next year. There are at least a small handful of teams that could be upgraded with him as starting catcher. Jays will still need to eat up money but unless he's ready to play 50 games a year as a back up in 2019, I see no other real alternative.

 

Now if he wants to be a back up and mentor Jansen, then that's a different story. Especially if Maile has actual trade value, then the Jays might be better off from an asset standpoint to do it like that. I just feel like the Jays will trade Martin to do him a favor.

[Sammy225]

Me, as someone who wants a winner, and me who is a fan who spends money on tickets. The kid is a gamer and I would much rather go spend hundreds of dollars to go to that concrete behemoth and watch Reese , Rowdy and Borucki then Martin and Morales and some has been veteran SP...

 

I also think Reese will out hit Martin (which isn't hard) if given an opportunity..

 

See i don't think Reese is going to out hit Martin. What Reese did in September is what we are likely to get. That being said i think Jansen spending a year getting the majority of the catching Time with Martin as a mentor is probably a lot more valuable then eating 16M of his contract to get 2 fringe players.

[BTS]

Me, as someone who wants a winner, and me who is a fan who spends money on tickets. The kid is a gamer and I would much rather go spend hundreds of dollars to go to that concrete behemoth and watch Reese , Rowdy and Borucki then Martin and Morales and some has been veteran SP...

 

I also think Reese will out hit Martin (which isn't hard) if given an opportunity..

 

I think we're looking at a Jeff Mathis kind of player in McGuire, so it doesn't really bother me to option him to AAA until he's needed.

[Carlos Danger]

See i don't think Reese is going to out hit Martin. What Reese did in September is what we are likely to get. That being said i think Jansen spending a year getting the majority of the catching Time with Martin as a mentor is probably a lot more valuable then eating 16M of his contract to get 2 fringe players.

 

You guys are all a bunch of betting fiends on here.

 

Let’s make a bet, if given same # of ABs, I bet Reese outhits Martin next year. Take highest avg of all relevant stats.

 

Problem is, probably will not to be able to do that comparison on the Blue Jays..

[Laika]

Let’s make a bet, if given same # of ABs, I bet Reese outhits Martin next year. Take highest avg of all relevant stats.

 

what is this even supposed to mean?

[Jimcanuck]

You guys are all a bunch of betting fiends on here.

 

Let’s make a bet, if given same # of ABs, I bet Reese outhits Martin next year. Take highest avg of all relevant stats.

 

Problem is, probably will not to be able to do that comparison on the Blue Jays..

 

You might want to take a look at Martin's 2018 BABIP and OBP before making that bet. It is highly unlikely McGuire outhits Martin, regardless of the metric used.

[Carlos Danger]

You might want to take a look at Martin's 2018 BABIP and OBP before making that bet. It is highly unlikely McGuire outhits Martin, regardless of the metric used.

 

So you are saying you will take the bet? 😜

[Boxcar]

So you are saying you will take the bet?

 

No one understands the terms of your bet, likely because it doesn't make any sense.

[Carlos Danger]

No one understands the terms of your bet, likely because it doesn't make any sense.

 

 

Agree before hand what metrics you want to use. OBP, OPS, SLG, wOBp, WRC+, avg, EBH, style points for bat flips. I dont care as long as it is fair. If one guy has higher in 3 out of 4 categories for example, that guy wins..