General 2018 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[bendera3]

There's also really no reason to be the 2018 Blue Jays. There's arguably less of a reason to be the 2018 Blue Jays to be honest.

 

Atkins delivered the message loud and clear, we are rebuilding starting next year. Just run out RPs every game if you have to.

 

Ok I lied, I would spend very little on a shitbag to throw 200 IP of gross baseball. I wouldn't sign the Keuchel types though.

 

If we are going to sign a shitbag I'd rather just roll with guys like Jon Harris who can give us shitbag innings at league minimum. I really think we only have a year, maybe two, before we can contend again. If you are able to get someone like Keuchel for lets say 4 years for a reasonable price, you do it.

[BTS]

OK but for 2 of the 4 years, there's no point in having Keuchel. So you risk him falling off a cliff and becoming an anchor just for the chance at having him on a reasonable deal for the last 2 years.

 

I just don't like pitchers. I think the only reasonable conclusion you can make when signing a pitcher is that day 1 of his new deal, he will be functional. After that it's a crapshoot IMO.

 

I see value in having a strong year in 2019 even if they’re not a WS contender. We’re already hearing about friction between Shapiro and ownership. Winning 83 games while really loading up for 2020 and beyond is a lot more attractive to me than another tire fire season as Vlad and Bo are breaking in. The f***ing Twins won the wild card last year and the Rays are going to win close to 90 games this year. There’s absolutely no reason why we should be resigned to a terrible 2019.

[Slade]

I assume he's just coming out of the pen for the rest of the year?

[P2F]

I assume he's just coming out of the pen for the rest of the year?

 

Because of the shoulder issues he's had this season he probably should at this point in the year. I imagine he'd return to starting for next season.

 

Having said that, I feel like Paulino would have great success in the majors as a multi-inning super relief pitcher.

[Jimcanuck]

I generally agree with you. I think if I had a do-over on this season I would go the Orioles/Royals rout where you f*** up your way into a top pick. But I generally agree with rebuilding and trying to win.

 

My issue was targeting a pitcher because I think those guys can become anchors really quick. Why not just sign a Keuchel after next year.

 

Agreed. Signing a guy like Keuchel to a multi year deal is very risky. OK to do it when you are on the cusp. Right now, E-Jax and Happ types are appropriate.

 

And c'mon people, the Jays are going to be bad in 2019. None of the current Jays have a WAR over 2, FFS.

[P2F]

Agreed. Signing a guy like Keuchel to a multi year deal is very risky. OK to do it when you are on the cusp. Right now, E-Jax and Happ types are appropriate.

 

And c'mon people, the Jays are going to be bad in 2019. None of the current Jays have a WAR over 2, FFS.

 

Tell that to the 2017 Braves, Phillies, and A's teams.

[Krylian]

I guess we can have this conversation next September.

 

I expect them to be bad, but we'll see. The offseason might be interesting.

[Jimcanuck]

Tell that to the 2017 Braves, Phillies, and A's teams.

 

Did you really just predict the 2019 Jays will be the 2018 Braves?

[P2F]

Did you really just predict the 2019 Jays will be the 2018 Braves?

 

Nope, nowhere did I say that, Jim.

[Jimcanuck]

Nope, nowhere did I say that, Jim.

 

Ok. Though, sometimes it seems some of you guys are like the casual fans who expect the Jays to compete each and every year.

[P2F]

Ok. Though, sometimes it seems some of you guys are like the casual fans who expect the Jays to compete each and every year.

 

Did you really just call me a casual fan?

[Jimcanuck]

Did you really just call me a casual fan?

 

Nope, nowhere did I say that.

[Jimcanuck]

Tell that to the 2017 Braves, Phillies, and A's teams.

 

All three of those teams were basement dwellers before having the resurgence to the post season.

[glory]

I think the main difference between 2017-18 and 2019 is that in 2019 we will have five months of a generational talent coming up after a month, and the roster as a whole is getting younger regardless of what you think of the actual players (Jansen, Drury, Gurriel, Grichuk, Diaz, Hernandez, McKinney, etc). I’m not expecting the team to compete in 2019 but I wouldn’t rule it out. The twins won the WC2 in 2017 and the A’s will win it this year. It’s not a lofty goal.

 

I agree with BTS. If there’s friction between Rogers and Shapiro, then I want the team to be competitive in 2019. Doesn’t mean make stupid short term moves but don’t tank.

[Abomination]

I think the main difference between 2017-18 and 2019 is that in 2019 we will have five months of a generational talent coming up after a month, and the roster as a whole is getting younger regardless of what you think of the actual players (Drury, Gurriel, Grichuk, Diaz, Hernandez, McKinney, etc). I’m not expecting the team to compete in 2019 but I wouldn’t rule it out. The twins won the WC2 in 2017 and the A’s will win it this year. It’s not a lofty goal.

 

I agree with BTS. If there’s friction between Rogers and Shapiro, then I want the team to be competitive in 2019. Doesn’t mean make stupid short term moves but don’t tank.

 

We pretty much had everything go wrong this year that could. I wouldn't expect us to compete next year, but I wouldn't be absolutely shocked if we were in the race next September either.

[glory]

We pretty much had everything go wrong this year that could. I wouldn't expect us to compete next year, but I wouldn't be absolutely shocked if we were in the race next September either.

 

Agreed. Aside from the big 4 (Ny, Bos, Hou, Cle), there really isn’t another team that jumps out at you. One team in 2019 is going to surprise and win 88-90 games for the 2nd wild card (like the A’s this year) but hard to predict who it will be.

 

I want the Jays to stay the course, keep building up assets, but also add pieces that can help short term. The Yankees were able to combine those two things very well during their transition years (2013-16). If someone like Keuchel becomes available at a reasonable price then I don’t see why the Jays couldn’t do it. Build up assets and see what happens. As long as they are not subtracting from the farm, they should be fine.

[John_Havok]

Agreed. Aside from the big 4 (Ny, Bos, Hou, Cle), there really isn’t another team that jumps out at you. One team in 2019 is going to surprise and win 88-90 games for the 2nd wild card (like the A’s this year) but hard to predict who it will be.

 

I want the Jays to stay the course, keep building up assets, but also add pieces that can help short term. The Yankees were able to combine those two things very well during their transition years (2013-16). If someone like Keuchel becomes available at a reasonable price then I don’t see why the Jays couldn’t do it. Build up assets and see what happens. As long as they are not subtracting from the farm, they should be fine.

 

That's how I feel at this point. Running out nothing but the 4/5s we have in the system right now is most certainly not a viable option. There needs to be some stability in the rotation and while that's not license to go out and blow your wad on 1 or 2 guys, signing a couple of starters to 2-4(leaning more towards 2 than 4) year deals depending on the arm and dollars is practically a necessity at this point.

[Jimcanuck]

That's how I feel at this point. Running out nothing but the 4/5s we have in the system right now is most certainly not a viable option. There needs to be some stability in the rotation and while that's not license to go out and blow your wad on 1 or 2 guys, signing a couple of starters to 2-4(leaning more towards 2 than 4) year deals depending on the arm and dollars is practically a necessity at this point.

 

Agree with this. As long as the moves are made with 2020 and beyond in mind, and not 2019, that's fine.

[gruber92]

Agree with this. As long as the moves are made with 2020 and beyond in mind, and not 2019, that's fine.

 

So how the f*** do you do that this offseason and not include 2019?

 

2020 and beyond has to be done via trade for near MLB arms. I would rather sign or trade for established arms and just roll the dice with what we got (Pearson,SRF,Zeuch,Borucki,Pardihno, ect.)

[Jimcanuck]

So how the f*** do you do that this offseason and not include 2019?

 

2020 and beyond has to be done via trade for near MLB arms. I would rather sign or trade for established arms and just roll the dice with what we got (Pearson,SRF,Zeuch,Borucki,Pardihno, ect.)

 

Jays should not be signing players in an attempt to be a contender in 2019. Fool's errand. Sign guys to put a team on the field, sell some tix (bring Bats back lol), guys you might be able to flip at the deadline for prospects.

 

But don't hamstring the team's chances by signing guys that might end up replacing Martin and Tulo as team anchors.

[Spanky99]

So how the f*** do you do that this offseason and not include 2019?

 

2020 and beyond has to be done via trade for near MLB arms. I would rather sign or trade for established arms and just roll the dice with what we got (Pearson,SRF,Zeuch,Borucki,Pardihno, ect.)

 

Pardinho isn't even close? just saying...

[Olerud363]

Pardinho isn't even close? just saying...

 

With changing pitching patterns, and assuming he performs, he could be ready to help sometime in 2020. Osuna went from Pardinho's stage (17 year old rookie ball) to full time closer in three years, with a Tommy John mixed in.

 

A lot of things would have to go right, but if the Jays were contending and Pardinho was doing well, he could be up in some sort of "opener" type roll in late 2020...

[Krylian]

So Gibby is gone after the season concludes... Shocking.

[G-Snarls]

So Gibby is gone after the season concludes... Shocking.

 

It sounds for real this time

[G-Snarls]

For better or for worse

[burlingtonbandit]

f***. It would be really hard to stay interested if Shapiro leaves this offseason.

 

Yeah I have zero faith in this ownership. If you have to have a fall guy just fire Atkins and hire Cherrington to be the GM.

[Bobthe4th]

 

I guess Martin will pretty much exclusively be at 3B now with 4 catchers on the team!

[P2F]

Reese McGuire is making his MLB debut tonight behind the plate.

[Krylian]

Jays say they made a contract offer of $75m over at least 3 years this past offseason to Donaldson... His agent says that's not true at all. No contract offer was made.

 

Who do you believe?

[P2F]

Jays say they made a contract offer of $75m over at least 3 years this past offseason to Donaldson... His agent says that's not true at all. No contract offer was made.

 

Who do you believe?

 

I would guess that the Jays discussed those terms with his agent and were willing to make that offer to JD, but the agent balked at that, holding out for more, and so the Jays never formally offered that contract.