Around Baseball 2018

[glory]

Domingo Santana to the M’s. I thought Atkins would be all that but Dipoto hadn't made a trade in over 24 hours so it was bound to happen.

[saskjayfan]

Trading two prospects for added 2019 wins doesn’t seem all that smart to me unless you think the reds can seriously contend.

 

Look at their lineup. On paper, they are at least in the discussion for a wild card.

[BTS]

Trading two prospects for added 2019 wins doesn’t seem all that smart to me unless you think the reds can seriously contend.

 

I think they can probably do at least as good as Downs and Gray for Wood and Puig at the deadline. But I wouldn't be that surprised if one/both of those guys signs a multi-year extension instead of a 1-year arb deal.

[Terminator]

Trading two prospects for added 2019 wins doesn’t seem all that smart to me unless you think the reds can seriously contend.

 

That's the only downside to the deal from their perspective. They need to make more moves though.

 

In some ways this is like a way better version of the deal AA made with the Marlins.

[Carlos Danger]

President of Baseball Ops for Cincinnati just on TV... Says he now has 5 new impact players on the 25 man, and they are not done yet...[/u][/b]

 

Me: They are in it to win it this year... IMO...

[Carlos Danger]

Atkins should push hard for Pillar to the Reds...

[Spanky99]

Friedman just got bent over and everyone in the Reds Front Office took a turn.

 

Careful...

 

lol... that was weird to be honest Danger.

[Jimcanuck]

Reds seem to be making moves for a short window of contention. Historically (not just Jays), this doesn't typically work out, right?

[Spanky99]

Friedman just got bent over and everyone in the Reds Front Office took a turn.

 

This is a very good deal for Cincinnati:

 

out:

Jeter Downs

Josiah Gray

Homer Bailey (owed 28M for 1 year)

 

in:

Yasiel Puig (owed ~12M for 1 year)

Alex Wood (owed ~9M for 1 year)

Matt Kemp (owed 21.8M for 1 year)

7M

 

If you project Wood and Puig at around 2.5 wins each and Kemp and Bailey at around 0, they added 5 wins to their 2019 team at a total financial cost of about 8M. They do this at a cost of two guys likley in the 8-15 range of their prospect pool.

 

And that's not even considering the potential comp picks they get. If Puig and Wood are healthy, they likely receive QOs.

 

For real?

[TheHurl]

Or you know, it literally doesn't matter when relievers pitch in the game?

 

That's the part I don't get. The Opener is just a reliever used in a way where you know who they will be facing.

[Boxcar]

Or you know, it literally doesn't matter when relievers pitch in the game?

 

Or, you know, it's a f***ing opinion.

[Boxcar]

Damn, would have loved to be all over Puig and Wood at those prices.

[King]

Damn, would have loved to be all over Puig and Wood at those prices.

Groshans + Pardinho

[Boxcar]

Groshans + Pardinho

 

Not even close. More like Logan Warmoth and SRF

[Daniel Labude]

Not even close. More like Logan Warmoth and SRF

 

+ Martin

[King]

Not even close. More like Logan Warmoth and SRF

terrible comps right here. Warmoth is just filler at this point and according to Heyman, NL scouts think Downs is a future allstar

[Orgfiller]

Or, you know, it's a f***ing opinion.

 

This is like being upset that a closer is put in a non-save situation, it shouldn't matter at all. It's stupid that it has arbitration considerations because those guys only look at wins and saves and holds, but other than that I really don't see any downside to it.

[Boxcar]

This is like being upset that a closer is put in a non-save situation, it shouldn't matter at all. It's stupid that it hasn't arbitration considerations because those guys only look at wins and saves and holds, but other than that I really don't see any downside to it.

 

Ok, so you don't. Good for you.

[Boxcar]

terrible comps right here. Warmoth is just filler at this point and according to Heyman, NL scouts think Downs is a future allstar

 

He sure doesn't look like o e

[Jimcanuck]

Jays trading prospects for 1 year of Puig and Wood would be dumb.

[Orgfiller]

Ok, so you don't. Good for you.

 

What downside do you see for the opener? Who cares how long pitchers stay in the game, do you want to see more of Wade Miley?

[Spanky99]

What downside do you see for the opener? Who cares how long pitchers stay in the game, do you want to see more of Wade Miley?

 

He;s just doubling down as an *******, no worries.

[BTS]

He;s just doubling down as an *******, no worries.

 

Why is he an ******* if he doesn't like the aesthetics of the direction the game is going? The opener, combined with talk of expanded rosters, is going to push the game in the direction of a majority of games being pitched by a bunch of relievers throwing less than 2 innings each. It's 100% a matter of subjective taste: what do you enjoy watching?

 

I don't like it either. I like the idea of a pitching matchup between two starters.

[Spanky99]

Why is he an ******* if he doesn't like the aesthetics of the direction the game is going? The opener, combined with talk of expanded rosters, is going to push the game in the direction of a majority of games being pitched by a bunch of relievers throwing less than 2 innings each. It's 100% a matter of subjective taste: what do you enjoy watching?

 

I don't like it either. I like the idea of a pitching matchup between two starters.

 

Expanded rosters? And no, only s*** teams with no money will use openers. We need a larger sample. Also Boxbike is always an *******, open your eyes, son.

[BTS]

Expanded rosters? And no, only s*** teams with no money will use openers. We need a larger sample.

 

Talks about the next CBA always seem to point to 26 or 27-man rosters coming eventually. With teams already using 8-man bullpens, that would turn 9-man pens into the norm. I don't think we'd be far away from it being the norm to see 2-3 slots in most rotations being bullpen games. That just doesn't appeal to my tastes at all.

[Spanky99]

You don't like watching fastball/slider every inning of every game?

 

Luck into one, you're a champ.

[Spanky99]

Talks about the next CBA always seem to point to 26 or 27-man rosters coming eventually. With teams already using 8-man bullpens, that would turn 9-man pens into the norm. I don't think we'd be far away from it being the norm to see 2-3 slots in most rotations being bullpen games. That just doesn't appeal to my tastes at all.

 

That won't happen, lol.

[BTS]

That won't happen, lol.

 

What won't? Expanded rosters, or a continued shift towards bullpen games? The former seems pretty likely based on everything I've read, and the latter seems inevitable under the current rules because it maximizes the efficiency of rosters. I think that the only way we see the trend slowed down is incentivizing teams to get as many innings as possible out of their starter.

[Jimcanuck]

Would the use of an opener for 2 of the rotation slots be good for MLB business? I don't think it would be. MLB will not make changes to promote the use of an 'opener' for that reason.

[Carlos Danger]

What won't? Expanded rosters, or a continued shift towards bullpen games? The former seems pretty likely based on everything I've read, and the latter seems inevitable under the current rules because it maximizes the efficiency of rosters. I think that the only way we see the trend slowed down is incentivizing teams to get as many innings as possible out of their starter.

 

You are right, they have also discussed expanded rosters, but you have to set your roster every game. I assume 25? So, you could utilize a lot more guys who would normally have to be sent down for 10 days or are out of options. That would probably help with the concept of the opener on varias days.

 

However, I would also prefer to see starters...