Jays in on Ozuna. Boring off-season

[Angrioter]

@JonHeyman

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Jays and Rockies also among teams in on Ozuna (via @clarkspencer). Cards, nats, rangers also among the 6-8 teams.

[BTS]

Not buying it. Vlad would have to be going to other way.

[Ray]

Not buying it. Vlad would have to be going to other way.

 

Unless we take back a bad contract

[Dr. Dinger]

Unless we take back a bad contract

 

I could see an Alford-centrepiece trade if we took Prado's contract in the deal. I'm sure this FO has no intention of trading Vlad or Bo under any circumstances.

[Pendleton]

Unless we take back a bad contract

 

Would probably have to be Chen as a salary dump, which I'm not necessarily against.

 

Ozuna + Chen for ?

 

 

Edit - forgot about Prado, that's another option.

[Sammy225]

Pads could be looking at shopping Solarte by the sounds of it which i like as a pick up as he can play all IF positions.

[BTS]

I could see an Alford-centrepiece trade if we took Prado's contract in the deal. I'm sure this FO has no intention of trading Vlad or Bo under any circumstances.

 

Does Prado have enough negative value? He's owed 2/28.5, but that's not entirely sunk cost. He probably projects at like 3 wins over the next couple of years, which gets him a lot of the way to that 28.5M he's owed.

 

Chen is the big one - he's owed 3/52 and they don't even know if/when he'll pitch again.

[Dr. Dinger]

Does Prado have enough negative value? He's owed 2/28.5, but that's not entirely sunk cost. He probably projects at like 3 wins over the next couple of years, which gets him a lot of the way to that 28.5M he's owed.

 

Chen is the big one - he's owed 3/52 and they don't even know if/when he'll pitch again.

 

At this point the Marlins don't give a s*** about dollar value, they are just dumping money, period. They are $400M in debt and will probably try to dump anyone who's past Arb 1, with the exception of probably Yelich.

[Brownie19]

Not buying it. Vlad would have to be going to other way.

 

What? really?

 

For me - Ozuna is a slightly better version of Avisail Garcia. He was a league average hitter until the breakout last year and his base running and defense is only going to get worse. Like Garcia - I have to think FO's will see through that and he won't fetch a massive package.

[xposbrad]

So we could just keep putting on band-aids? How would Ozuna who is a FA in 2 years help this club when it won't compete in '18 and really needs to gear for 2-3 years down the road? The Marlins want prospects back, the Jays need theirs, so what would Shatkins be thinking exactly?

[Brownie19]

So we could just keep putting on band-aids? How would Ozuna who is a FA in 2 years help this club when it won't compete in '18 and really needs to gear for 2-3 years down the road? The Marlins want prospects back, the Jays need theirs, so what would Shatkins be thinking exactly?

 

Jesus man - don't jump off the deep end. You have no idea what Shatkins did or didn't do. They probably just called about him - which is their job. Don't get all judgy judgy.

[xposbrad]

Jesus man - don't jump off the deep end. You have no idea what Shatkins did or didn't do. They probably just called about him - which is their job. Don't get all judgy judgy.

 

lol - true

Sorry, I really just wish I heard them say, we're going to rebuild so we come back in a couple of years ready to pound the yankees. Instead of the 'we can still compete in '18' BS.

[Brownie19]

lol - true

Sorry, I really just wish I heard them say, we're going to rebuild so we come back in a couple of years ready to pound the yankees. Instead of the 'we can still compete in '18' BS.

 

Funny thing is - if we got Ozuna with Prado at some decent price that didn't sacrifice the future (b/c the Marlins truly are desperate to dump $$) and then added another SP (say Lance Lynn) + a reliever (maybe a lefty - McGee) and got a but of luck health wise - we probably could compete next year.

 

2nd - Travis

3rd - JD

1st - Smoak

RF - Ozuna

DH - Morales

C - Martin

SS - Tulo

LF - Teoscar

CF - Pillar

 

B - Prado, Diaz

 

Stro, Sanchez, Happ, Estrada, Lynn with Osuna, McGee, Barnes, Tepera, etc. in the pen

 

That's not a bad team at all. I'm not saying that's what they should do, or that they wouldn't have to sell wayyyy too much to get Ozuna, but a good GM isn't going to simply shut the door on the possibility that this team could compete next year.

[Fiddlehead]

I’m new here. First day on the job, a lot of things would have to right in order to make that team a contender. First off, Travis would have to play 120 games.

 

I’m of the opinion they should be tearing down this roster and adding to the farm system. Trade Donaldson and Smoak now,while they have value.

 

 

 

 

Funny thing is - if we got Ozuna with Prado at some decent price that didn't sacrifice the future (b/c the Marlins truly are desperate to dump $$) and then added another SP (say Lance Lynn) + a reliever (maybe a lefty - McGee) and got a but of luck health wise - we probably could compete next year.

 

2nd - Travis

3rd - JD

1st - Smoak

RF - Ozuna

DH - Morales

C - Martin

SS - Tulo

LF - Teoscar

CF - Pillar

 

B - Prado, Diaz

 

Stro, Sanchez, Happ, Estrada, Lynn with Osuna, McGee, Barnes, Tepera, etc. in the pen

 

That's not a bad team at all. I'm not saying that's what they should do, or that they wouldn't have to sell wayyyy too much to get Ozuna, but a good GM isn't going to simply shut the door on the possibility that this team could compete next year.

[Krylian]

'In on' means Atkins placed a phone call to see. That's it.

[Abomination]

What? really?

 

For me - Ozuna is a slightly better version of Avisail Garcia. He was a league average hitter until the breakout last year and his base running and defense is only going to get worse. Like Garcia - I have to think FO's will see through that and he won't fetch a massive package.

 

Avisail has only had one good year (last year). Prior to that he was a negative WAR player in his previous 5 seasons/partial seasons. Ozuna has never been a negative player, and in his 4 full years 2 have been at 3.9 WAR or higher, plus his partial rookie season where he was roughly on that same pace. They are nowhere near the same. Ozuna would be an incredible get for us. Definitely worth taking someone like Chen for.

[Brownie19]

Avisail has only had one good year (last year). Prior to that he was a negative WAR player in his previous 5 seasons/partial seasons. Ozuna has never been a negative player, and in his 4 full years 2 have been at 3.9 WAR or higher, plus his partial rookie season where he was roughly on that same pace. They are nowhere near the same. Ozuna would be an incredible get for us. Definitely worth taking someone like Chen for.

 

He's obviously had a better track record than Garcia - but most of the value he's had previously was based on good base running and defense - both of which dropped of significantly last year. He was a league average bat until the outburst last year. I'm just saying there's still a lot of risk if last year was an outliner offensively.

 

My point started with the suggesting that we'd have to give up Vlad Jr. to get him.....keep that one in mind. I agree he's a great get at the right price, but that price doesn't include Vlad, Bo or Alford IMO. Too much risk that 2015 and 2016 (avg WAR < 2.0) are true reflections of his talent.

[L54]

The suggestion that you would have to give up Vlad Jr. and that Ozuna is Avisail Garcia are not even remotely related?

[Bobthe4th]

How the f*** would we have to give up one of the best prospects in baseball to a dumpster fire team who just traded the NL MVP for Starlin Castro because their ownership group bought the team without actually having money.

 

Haha, spot on!

[Brownie19]

The suggestion that you would have to give up Vlad Jr. and that Ozuna is Avisail Garcia are not even remotely related?

 

You just love disagreeing with me eh?

[Dr. Dinger]

How the f*** would we have to give up one of the best prospects in baseball to a dumpster fire team who just traded the NL MVP for Starlin Castro because their ownership group bought the team without actually having money.

 

Because... Stanton makes a s***-ton and Ozuna doesn't? Seems pretty obvious.

[5minutesforframing]

Not buying it. Vlad would have to be going to other way.

 

The f*** are you smoking?

[Captain Adama]

They have no leverage. Everyone knows they want to cut payroll at any cost. If it came down to it, they would probably trade Ozuna for nothing if they could attach Chen. They literally have no money to pay their players.

 

Ozuna is cheap right now and carries a bunch of surplus value. Even if a team took on Chen's contract they're gonna have to give up a lot to get Ozuna.

 

They also "literally" do have money to pay their players. As evidenced they're eating a non insignificant portion of Stantons contract so they could get some talent from the deal.

[BTS]

The f*** are you smoking?

 

What is it that you think Miami would accept from Toronto? They’ll certainly ask for Vlad, and talks will die there.

[Daniel Labude]

What is it that you think Miami would accept from Toronto? They’ll certainly ask for Vlad, and talks will die there.

 

SRF, Alford, 2 lower level prospects would be sufficient for 2 years of Ozuna imo

[jays_fever]

The last elite prospect who was traded was Eloy and they got 3.5 years of Quintana for him, who's been a much more consistent player than Ozuna.

 

If Vladdy is going you may as well package Alford with him and get a Chris Sale type

[Ray]

We can get Ozuna without giving up Vlad, Bo, or Alford. Just need to take a bad contract like Prado or Chen with him. Ozuna is projected to make $11M in arb next season which is basically a goldmine for Miami.

 

How about this? Wei Yin-Chen + Marcell Ozuna for Pearce, Reid-Foley and Harold Ramirez. Along the same lines as the NY trade. Offset the cost of prospect capital for Ozuna by taking back a bad contract like Chen who's owed $18M next season. SRF still can still be a good mid-rotation starter, and Ramirez is a better prospect than Devers cousin. We're taking $22M off Miami's hand. Replacing Pearce with Ozuna who they can play for cheap (they still have to field a team next year), or they can flip him too. Hope Chen can provide you with some 5th starter innings. Two birds with one stone.

 

If we want Yelich, we'd almost certainly have to throw in at least one of Bo, Vlad, or Alford.

[BTS]

SRF, Alford, 2 lower level prospects would be sufficient for 2 years of Ozuna imo

 

That might be enough 'value' but I'd be surprised if that ended up being the best offer for him. They'd have to really love Alford and SRF.

[Bobthe4th]

We can get Ozuna without giving up Vlad, Bo, or Alford. Just need to take a bad contract like Prado or Chen with him. Ozuna is projected to make $11M in arb next season which is basically a goldmine for Miami.

 

How about this? Wei Yin-Chen + Marcell Ozuna for Pearce, Reid-Foley and Harold Ramirez. Along the same lines as the NY trade. Offset the cost of prospect capital for Ozuna by taking back a bad contract like Chen who's owed $18M next season. SRF still can still be a good mid-rotation starter, and Ramirez is a better prospect than Devers cousin. We're taking $22M off Miami's hand. Replacing Pearce with Ozuna who they can play for cheap (they still have to field a team next year), or they can flip him too. Hope Chen can provide you with some 5th starter innings. Two birds with one stone.

 

If we want Yelich, we'd almost certainly have to throw in at least one of Bo, Vlad, or Alford.

 

At this point, isn't Ramirez a bust? He was outrighted from the 40 man last month.

[BTS]

The last elite prospect who was traded was Eloy and they got 3.5 years of Quintana for him, who's been a much more consistent player than Ozuna.

 

If Vladdy is going you may as well package Alford with him and get a Chris Sale type

 

Also Gleyber Torres plus stuff to rent Chapman.