Rogers looking into selling blue jays.....

[Spanky99]

2 playoff appearances in 17 years. "One of the best ownerships in MLB for the past decade" is a stretch

 

Financially, payroll man, and what don't you get about a decade?

[Spanky99]

Yeah, I have a bad feeling about this, but I hope I'm wrong. As long as the new ownership group keeps Shapiro and lets him do his thing, I'll be fine. Don't really care what the payroll is. The Jays need to focus on getting younger and cheaper anyway, so cutting payroll and forcing them to be more careful with how they spend is probably a good thing until they are ready to be players in free agency.

 

There is no new ownership, they've just floated the idea just yesterday. Both Davidi and Brunt think they have 5 years rope easy, and won't panic regardless of our '18 result, many factors of course, not to mention the offseason is just getting started. Shapiro will be around a lot longer than Atkins and the latter's just getting his feet wet in the org. AA left a lot to behold, as you know.

[fatcowxlive]

Shi Davidi and Stephen Brunt killed it on Tim and Sid, basically "be careful what you wish for, Rogers are one of the best ownerships in MLB for the past decade" Amen. Who doesn't want a little more to spend, but we could be far worst. Labatt's stepped up in the late 80's early 90's as have this ownership. Anything could've happened when we made the post-season, in '15/16.

 

Eh, I'm not too sure about that statement. I mean sure, it's not like they weren't making money off the team. They had the TV rights and the naming rights of the stadium, didn't Rogers buy the Jays for like less than $200 million? That's not even one year's payroll.

 

And while, sure, we've had our share of incompetent GMs who, when given the budget blew it all away - the blame is shared by everyone (Rogers included) for only having 2 playoff appearances in 17 years. For a market this big, no excuses for this. Beeston is great, what he's done for this org way back when was invaluable, but it's no secret that he was beyond his time in the past decade. Rogers kept here for far too long, with a market this big we should have had 2015 occur much earlier.

 

With that being said, they've turned it around since 2012 putting more faith in AA, believing in the team in 2015 to approve Tulo and Price payroll hits, and hiring Shapiro - and I think 90% chance the next owners are a step down.

[Spanky99]

Eh, I'm not too sure about that statement. I mean sure, it's not like they weren't making money off the team. They had the TV rights and the naming rights of the stadium, didn't Rogers buy the Jays for like less than $200 million? That's not even one year's payroll.

 

And while, sure, we've had our share of incompetent GMs who, when given the budget blew it all away - the blame is shared by everyone (Rogers included) for only having 2 playoff appearances in 17 years. For a market this big, no excuses for this. Beeston is great, what he's done for this org way back when was invaluable, but it's no secret that he was beyond his time in the past decade. Rogers kept here for far too long, with a market this big we should have had 2015 occur much earlier.

 

With that being said, they've turned it around since 2012 putting more faith in AA, believing in the team in 2015 to approve Tulo and Price payroll hits, and hiring Shapiro - and I think 90% chance the next owners are a step down.

 

112 Million what's your point? Concerning payroll, last decade, lulz. AA f***ed up he pulled a 360 and blew away spect capita? The rest is wash... Smarten up, fatcow.

[fatcowxlive]

112 Million what's your point? Concerning payroll, last decade, lulz. AA f***ed up he pulled a 360 and blew away spect capita? The rest is wash... Smarten up, fatcow.

 

In 17 years they only got 2 post-season appearances. If Ash/Riccardi/AA stunk, then they were all hires of the same president, and they never got rid of him until it was too late. I think you're giving Rogers way too much of a pass. We can do worse now with whatever new owners come in it's true, but it's not like Rogers was "one of the best owners" in baseball for most of these past 17 years

[Spanky99]

In 17 years they only got 2 post-season appearances. If Ash/Riccardi/AA stunk, then they were all hires of the same president, and they never got rid of him until it was too late. I think you're giving Rogers way too much of a pass. We can do worse now with whatever new owners come in it's true, but it's not like Rogers was "one of the best owners" in baseball for most of these past 17 years

 

I responded to a decade, idiot. Entail. Please...*I'll puke at your lack of reference, behind every post* You know starting at 7 PM today!

 

Plus there's no new ownership, you pulling this out of your ass?

[Spanky99]

Am I f***ing lost here, am I wrong?

[Spanky99]

The Jays gave had a healthy payroll, the last 7 years easy. So out of that decade, yes, they've had a winning payroll. f*** off who thinks different.

[jays4life19]

Am I f***ing lost here, am I wrong?

 

Nah you're right Mr spanks a lot.

[Captain Adama]

2 playoff appearances in 17 years. "One of the best ownerships in MLB for the past decade" is a stretch

 

Bad first post.

[Deadpool]

Stroman doesn't like him, though!

 

Stroman doesn't know who he is, because Stroman has f***ing AWFUL taste in music.

[Captain Adama]

In 17 years they only got 2 post-season appearances. If Ash/Riccardi/AA stunk, then they were all hires of the same president, and they never got rid of him until it was too late. I think you're giving Rogers way too much of a pass. We can do worse now with whatever new owners come in it's true, but it's not like Rogers was "one of the best owners" in baseball for most of these past 17 years

 

13 years Rogers owned the Jays and for half that time they had a top 10 payroll. Could easily do worse.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

A few thoughts...

 

1. I hate Rogers but we could have a far worse owner.

2. < 1% chance we sign a huge contract anytime soon, or trade for a huge contract

3. I wonder if one if this sets up one of the Rogers heirs to buy the franchise and stop answering to a board for every major decision baseball org-wise.

[Key22]

A few thoughts...

 

1. I hate Rogers but we could have a far worse owner.

2. < 1% chance we sign a huge contract anytime soon, or trade for a huge contract

3. I wonder if one if this sets up one of the Rogers heirs to buy the franchise and stop answering to a board for every major decision baseball org-wise.

 

 

Yes I wonder what group could afford the Jays if the buying price is $1.5 billion - does Jimmy Pattison like baseball? He's on his way out the door - may as well use his money to bring the country a winner!

 

Number 2 - well I presume no extension for Josh Donaldson - so the question again needs asking - if the team won't re-sign him then why are we keeping him? Are they really going to risk it on the basis for "going for it" in 2018 - this team as it is presently constructed is not winning a world series. It was the worst offensive team in the AL last season and even with Bautista and EE and Donaldson it wasn't nearly as good as it should have been.

 

The pitching? Well our wonderful closer blows to many games to be considered shut down. Our rotation - well on paper it is pretty good but if Sanchez goes down with the blister and Estrada is very mediocre like 2017 then the rotations is middling. I don't want to be debbie downer but just pointing out that this team has so many holes even Tiger Woods could win a round. Chicago White Sox time - our team is old and worsening - BLOW IT UP! BLOW IT UP!

[Captain Adama]

Yes I wonder what group could afford the Jays if the buying price is $1.5 billion - does Jimmy Pattison like baseball? He's on his way out the door - may as well use his money to bring the country a winner!

 

Number 2 - well I presume no extension for Josh Donaldson - so the question again needs asking - if the team won't re-sign him then why are we keeping him? Are they really going to risk it on the basis for "going for it" in 2018 - this team as it is presently constructed is not winning a world series. It was the worst offensive team in the AL last season and even with Bautista and EE and Donaldson it wasn't nearly as good as it should have been.

 

The pitching? Well our wonderful closer blows to many games to be considered shut down. Our rotation - well on paper it is pretty good but if Sanchez goes down with the blister and Estrada is very mediocre like 2017 then the rotations is middling. I don't want to be debbie downer but just pointing out that this team has so many holes even Tiger Woods could win a round. Chicago White Sox time - our team is old and worsening - BLOW IT UP! BLOW IT UP!

 

Woa.

[Daniel Labude]

Whether this is good or bad comes down to who actually buys the team

[FrozenRopes]

Who do you want to see buy it? Drake?

[burlingtonbandit]

13 years Rogers owned the Jays and for half that time they had a top 10 payroll. Could easily do worse.

 

Its a top 5 Market though so the "top 10 payroll" can be a little misleading. The biggest fault I put on Rogers is hiring s***** executive which in turn didn't help the bottom line.

 

The value of Mark Shapiro over Paul Beeston and Paul Godfrey is in the 10s of Millions of dollars. By having s***** presidents the Blue Jays didn't make much money so Rogers didn't have that much $ to invest back into the product.

 

Lets be honest as fans we are lucky Rogers hired Shapiro because they almost f***ed up the org. for a decade if they would have hired Duquette who was their first choice.

[Boxcar]

Stroman doesn't know who he is, because Stroman has f***ing AWFUL taste in music.

 

That may be true (he has awful taste in many things) but Rush still sucks. They are like the Seattle Mariners of classic rock.

[Boxcar]

Fans pour money into the Jays. Rogers puts some of it back into the team. How do they get credit? That's the bare minimum. Yes, it could be way worse. But Rogers is not good. They have no clue about baseball. Shapiro was a lucky stroke. The other 2 options would nuke this f***ing franchise for 10 years. They were tampering for Kenny f***ing Williams. It was embarrassing. Our executives before Shapiro were s*** as well.

 

How does a top 10 payroll reflect on Rogers? We are the ones supporting that payroll, not them.

 

Well, I'll say they aren't super cheap despite being accountable to shareholders and they don't meddle in the baseball side too much like an Arte Moreno or that f*** in Baltimore, the senile old ******* who isn't Buck Showalter.

[Mavcarter]

Fans pour money into the Jays. Rogers puts some of it back into the team. How do they get credit? That's the bare minimum. Yes, it could be way worse. But Rogers is not good. They have no clue about baseball. Shapiro was a lucky stroke. The other 2 options would nuke this f***ing franchise for 10 years. They were tampering for Kenny f***ing Williams. It was embarrassing. Our executives before Shapiro were s*** as well.

 

How does a top 10 payroll reflect on Rogers? We are the ones supporting that payroll, not them.

 

 

Rogers getting credit for being willing to be in the top 10 is laughable, we aren't a small market that isn't able to support the funds. Almost every large market team right now is willing to be in the top 10. Hooray

Edited December 8, 2017 by Mavcarter

[CrackerJack]

Its a top 5 Market though so the "top 10 payroll" can be a little misleading. The biggest fault I put on Rogers is hiring s***** executive which in turn didn't help the bottom line.

 

The value of Mark Shapiro over Paul Beeston and Paul Godfrey is in the 10s of Millions of dollars. By having s***** presidents the Blue Jays didn't make much money so Rogers didn't have that much $ to invest back into the product.

 

Lets be honest as fans we are lucky Rogers hired Shapiro because they almost f***ed up the org. for a decade if they would have hired Duquette who was their first choice.

 

yeah, and also the size of the payroll gap between the Jays and the Yankees & Red Sox is also relevant since we, obviously, compete in the same division ... and Toronto's bean counters don't want it any other way with all those extra home premium games against the duo marquee Evil Empires.

[Deadpool]

That may be true (he has awful taste in many things) but Rush still sucks. They are like the Seattle Mariners of classic rock.

 

You have many opinions which I have found objectionable. This, however, is a bridge too far. You are dead to me, Boxy.

[Dick_Pole]

You have many opinions which I have found objectionable. This, however, is a bridge too far. You are dead to me, Boxy.

 

I am torn on Rush.

 

I recognize that they have talent and creativity with a unique sound, but most of the time that unique sound is just not for me.

 

I know a lot of people who I think are cool and I get along with well who like Rush (including the Trailer Park Boys), but Geddy Lee is so, so not cool. Alex Lifeson is alright though.

[Deadpool]

I am torn on Rush.

 

I recognize that they have talent and creativity with a unique sound, but most of the time that unique sound is just not for me.

 

I know a lot of people who I think are cool and I get along with well who like Rush (including the Trailer Park Boys), but Geddy Lee is so, so not cool. Alex Lifeson is alright though.

 

Well, I'm a drummer, so Rush is always going to be Neil and Friends for me, but they're such a solid group of musicians across the board. Once you get accustomed to Geddy's voice (which I'll happily admit isn't the easiest thing to do) they're phenomenal. Geddy is a fantasy baseball savant though, for reals.

[Spanky99]

You have many opinions which I have found objectionable. This, however, is a bridge too far. You are dead to me, Boxy.

 

lol... I knew this was coming.

[KingKat]

Rush are a phenomenal band but it's o.k. to recognize 5hat their haters are not completely wrong. They can be pretty cheezy especially with the pretentious Ayn Rand inspired lyrics. Stroman doesn't know what he's talking about, he literally hates any music where you can recognize that instruments are being played by humans.

[Key22]

The baseball fan in me hopes we get one of those free spending owners because with a Rogers where everything goes through boards and VPs etc you won't see the Jays in on any real premium players.

 

Take the Yankees they are very likely to land Giancarlo Stanton and possibly have two 60 homer hitters in their line-up. Is it smart - do they even have a positional need - maybe not but it's exciting for the fans to see that sort of middle of the line-up for the next 7 years.

 

Meanwhile the Jays likely won't even offer JD a 5 year contract extension. And to be blunt why would he want to stay - we won't surround him with anything.

 

The Jays should have a payroll equal to the Yankees and Boston - there is no reason not to with the money Rogers has and the market.

 

Worst offense in the AL - and that was with a HUGE unexpected year from Smoak - I am not looking forward to seeing the 2018 Jays at the plate - man oh man it's going to be rough.

[burlingtonbandit]

Wonder if the upcoming $200M-$400M Rogers Centre renovation has a lot to do with them selling as well. They know they aren't going to get any public money for it so might want to leave the new owner on the hook for it.

[Key22]

Yankees have agreed to deal for Stanton - all but official.

 

Let's wait for that exciting Jays announcement landing that $1million a year back-up catcher - woohoo.