Offseason Roster Thread 2017-18

[BTS]

C - Russell Martin (20)

1B - Justin Smoak (4.125)

2B - Devon Travis (1.45)

3B - Josh Donaldson (23)

SS - Troy Tulowitzki (20)

CF - Kevin Pillar (3.25)

LF/RF - Steve Pearce (6.25)

RF - Curtis Granderson (5)

DH - Kendrys Morales (12)

LF/RF - Ezequiel Carrera (1.9)

SS/3B/SS - Aledmys Diaz (nm)

2B/3B - Yangervis Solarte (4)

OF - Randall Grichuk (2.6)

C - Luke Maile (nm)

 

SP - Marcus Stroman (arb2 - 7.2)

SP - J.A. Happ (13)

SP - Marco Estrada (13)

SP - Aaron Sanchez (2.7)

SP - Joe Biagini (nm)

 

RHP - Roberto Osuna (arb1 - 5.6)

RHP - Danny Barnes (nm)

RHP - Ryan Tepera (nm)

LHP - Aaron Loup (1.8125)

RHP - Carlos Ramirez (nm)

LHP - Tim Mayza (nm)

 

Projected 25-man = 150.7025M

132.5725 + 12.8 M 2 projected arb cases + 3.815M 7 near-min salaries

 

 

Free Agents

Jose Bautista

Michael Saunders

Brett Anderson

 

 

Also on the 40-Man

Ryan Borucki (nm)

Lourdes Gurriel (1)

Richard Urena (nm)

Anthony Alford (nm)

Dalton Pompey (nm)

Dwight Smith Jr. (nm)

Matt Dermody (nm)

Taylor Guerrieri (nm)

Gift Ngoepe (nm)

Danny Jansen (nm)

Reese McGuire (nm)

Tom Pannone (nm)

Rowdy Tellez (nm)

Teoscar Hernandez (nm)

 

Free 40-man spots: 1

Edited February 6, 2018 by BTS

[G-Snarls]

How much will Pillar and Stroman likely get in arbitration?

[G-Snarls]

There's enough money available to spend

 

Hopefully they can lure a solid OF bat and SP2 caliber starter or trade for one and sign the other

[BTS]

Some interesting arb decisions this year: Goins, Koehler, and Loup are all potential non-tender candidates.

[BTS]

Man I pretty much stopped watching the Jays after the ASB. I don't even know what a Raffy Lopez, or Luis Santos, or Carlos Ramirez even is. ARE THESE EVEN REAL PEOPLE?

[Dr. Dinger]

Is J.D. Martinez + Otani + Tanaka + Darvish too much to ask?

[BTS]

Is J.D. Martinez + Otani + Tanaka + Darvish too much to ask?

 

I bet the only one of those the team will be even a bit interested in is Otani. They won't definitely won't give Darvish his 150M, or Tanaka his 100M.

[G-Snarls]

Is J.D. Martinez + Otani + Tanaka + Darvish too much to ask?

 

I can't quite find the right knowing sarcastic smirk GIF online to respond to this

[G-Snarls]

Is J.D. Martinez + Otani + Tanaka + Darvish too much to ask?

 

Realistically I think they should absolutely target and be willing to spend big on one of either Otani or Martinez

 

I'd pass on Tanaka and Darvish on the $$$ and years that they're likely to get

[Sammy225]

Is J.D. Martinez + Otani + Tanaka + Darvish too much to ask?

 

They are looking to deal for Stanton so we don't need Martinez

[G-Snarls]

No way do I trust that Smoak can do that again (although I HOPE he can) and Morales is now probably just a very slow, league average hitter

 

We need a solid addition to the lineup

[Terminator]

What about Alex Cobb? He had a really good 2nd half.

[Bobthe4th]

What about Alex Cobb? He had a really good 2nd half.

 

Yeah I hope he's a target.

 

AL East experience, very good when fully fit, and (hopefully) relatively cheap as teams may not be willing to offer high AAV and/or years after his injury problems. Would make the middle and depth of the rotation look much more solid.

[Bobthe4th]

Realistically I think they should absolutely target and be willing to spend big on one of either Otani or Martinez

 

I'd pass on Tanaka and Darvish on the $$$ and years that they're likely to get

 

I wouldn't want Martinez for the contract he'll get. Not when he's a bad outfielder and we already have significant salary tied up in 3 1B/DH players.

 

I guess if we got rid of Pearce (and Morales) it'd make more sense.

[G-Snarls]

I hope the front office strikes early again this year too

 

I like that

 

Land an impact player you want right away while the big spenders play cat and mouse for months with the small number of big fish

 

Alex Cob would be an ideal target for this approach. I bet he doesn't want to wait and wait and wait until the market sees Darvish and Tanaka landed before anyone will get serious in talks with him. This seems to happen to some guys like him every year.

[BTS]

What about Alex Cobb? He had a really good 2nd half.

 

He's the most interesting of all the mid-range starter arms available, where the team has shown a willingness to shop (Happ, Estrada). The only other guys who really grab my attention are Lynn and Garcia. Even then, I think I'd max out at two years for Cobb and Lynn and one for Garcia.

[burlingtonbandit]

I hope the front office strikes early again this year too

 

I like that

 

Land an impact player you want right away while the big spenders play cat and mouse for months with the small number of big fish

 

Alex Cob would be an ideal target for this approach. I bet he doesn't want to wait and wait and wait until the market sees Darvish and Tanaka landed before anyone will get serious in talks with him. This seems to happen to some guys like him every year.

 

Worked well with Happ, was a disaster with Morales. You look to find value no matter what time of the offseason it is.

[glory]

Otani (obviously, though unlikely) and Cobb definitely interesting.

 

Not much else on the free agent market. My annual "let's get Jarrod Dyson" plea is actually realistic now since he's a free agent so I'll go with him, but even that's as a 4th OF or a replacement for a traded Pillar (though that probably won't happen).

 

Definitely need a 2B plus a backup that can cover short.

[Sammy225]

Chatwood, Morrow, Cozart. I'd kick the tires on Tanaka.

 

Not a great overall target but that would mean i could wear my morrow jersey again when i thought he was the second coming of christ.

[BTS]

Otani (obviously, though unlikely) and Cobb definitely interesting.

 

Not much else on the free agent market. My annual "let's get Jarrod Dyson" plea is actually realistic now since he's a free agent so I'll go with him, but even that's as a 4th OF or a replacement for a traded Pillar (though that probably won't happen).

 

Definitely need a 2B plus a backup that can cover short.

 

Dyson would (again) be perfect. He’d be the everyday LF as the roster currently stands, and could be a perfect 4th OF if a more substantial acquisition is made.

[Orgfiller]

It's a small thing, but we also need to invest on a capable backup. Our non-Martin catchers combined for -1.5 WAR (how the f*** was Raffy Lopez a league average hitter?), and that's just completely unacceptable. Russ already has one of the heaviest workloads at the position, we need someone who could reasonably be a half-win player at least to back him up.

[glory]

Dyson would (again) be perfect. He’d be the everyday LF as the roster currently stands, and could be a perfect 4th OF if a more substantial acquisition is made.

 

He also shouldn't be a long term commitment since he's in his 30's and doesn't have a track record as a starting outfielder. Should be a cheap way to get a 2-3 WAR player. My only concern with starting him in LF or RF is that Pillar is in the OF too. That's two OF spots with 80-90 wRC+. Platooning Dyson might help his numbers.

 

He's my prediction for who the Jays end up with. Atkins will smell that $/war and pounce early. Same idea he had with Pearce, except they would actually play Dyson in a spot he can defend.

[BTS]

I've been saying that for years about he backup C position. It's been a black hole since before the Dickey trade.

[Orgfiller]

I've been saying that for years about he backup C position. It's been a black hole since before the Dickey trade.

 

We might have to throw Danny Janssen or Reese McGuire into the fire. It's not ideal because you might not get best value out of them, given that at least one of them might be a legitimate prospect, but going with significantly below replacement players like we saw this season is just gross.

[Dr. Dinger]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-hope-add-impact-arm-impact-bat-off-season/

 

Maybe J.D. Martinez + a TOR pitcher isn't that crazy!

[Terminator]

Sogard is a good fit. Everyone knows how I feel about Nunez too. Would Sogard and Nunez be the sexiest signings for the lineup? Not at all but more than anything this team needs depth. Nunez and Sogard's versatility would really help us avoid giving so much playing time to negative WAR players. As I said I like Cobb. I think all three are realistic and would give us something like this:

 

C - Russell Martin

1B - Justin Smoak

2B - Devon Travis

3B - Josh Donaldson

SS - Troy Tulowitzki

CF - Kevin Pillar

LF - Eduardo Nunez

RF - Teoscar Hernandez

DH - Kendrys Morales

 

 

BENCH

LF/RF - Ezequiel Carrera

LF/1B- Steve Pearce

UT- Eric Sogard

C- ???

 

SP - Marcus Stroman

SP - J.A. Happ

SP= Alex Cobb

SP - Marco Estrada

SP - Aaron Sanchez

[glory]

Damn, didn't realize Dee Gordon put up a 3.3 WAR this season. Maybe taking him in a salary dump wouldn't be such a bad idea. When the alternative is Travis until his body fails followed by 4 months of Goins, I'd take just about any competent 2B out there.

[Abomination]

Some interesting arb decisions this year: Goins, Koehler, and Loup are all potential non-tender candidates.

 

I have to think Koehler will be non-tendered for sure (or signed at a lower rate). They're not gonna pay him 6 or 7 million in arbitration. I suspect Loup may be non-tendered too, with Mayza and Dermody (somewhat) looking capable. Goins is a little more difficult. We need someone shortstop capable defensively in the backup role, but I'm scared of what he may get in arbitration due to the RBIs.

 

I'm hoping Carrera is also non-tendered.

 

Trade for Zobrist or Dee Gordon, let Devon Travis get some reps in the outfield (maybe without having to constantly dive and stuff, his knee may hold up better).

[Terminator]

I have to think Koehler will be non-tendered for sure (or signed at a lower rate). They're not gonna pay him 6 or 7 million in arbitration. I suspect Loup may be non-tendered too, with Mayza and Dermody (somewhat) looking capable. Goins is a little more difficult. We need someone shortstop capable defensively in the backup role, but I'm scared of what he may get in arbitration due to the RBIs.

 

I'm hoping Carrera is also non-tendered.

 

Trade for Zobrist or Dee Gordon, let Devon Travis get some reps in the outfield (maybe without having to constantly dive and stuff, his knee may hold up better).

 

I pray to god that Goins is gone.

 

I wouldn't mind them trying to sign Loup and Zeke at a lower rate. They can be extremely frustrating but they aren't bad players. Koehler is one injury plagued season away from being a capable 5th starter and I wouldn't mind having him back but I wouldn't give up much to get him.

[burlingtonbandit]

Sogard is a good fit. Everyone knows how I feel about Nunez too. Would Sogard and Nunez be the sexiest signings for the lineup? Not at all but more than anything this team needs depth. Nunez and Sogard's versatility would really help us avoid giving so much playing time to negative WAR players. As I said I like Cobb. I think all three are realistic and would give us something like this:

 

C - Russell Martin

1B - Justin Smoak

2B - Devon Travis

3B - Josh Donaldson

SS - Troy Tulowitzki

CF - Kevin Pillar

LF - Eduardo Nunez

RF - Teoscar Hernandez

DH - Kendrys Morales

 

 

BENCH

LF/RF - Ezequiel Carrera

LF/1B- Steve Pearce

UT- Eric Sogard

C- ???

 

SP - Marcus Stroman

SP - J.A. Happ

SP= Alex Cobb

SP - Marco Estrada

SP - Aaron Sanchez

 

I don't like the idea of giving Hernandez everyday ABs to start the season. He'd be fine as a 4th OFer if you get a LH bat like Bruce or Cargo but guys who strikeout as much as he did in September without walking usually don't have success right away.