Cbert Verified Member Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 Isn't it like a $25M bid cap tho or something now? I believe it's around 20mill but then you've still gotta figure out what a reasonable contract for the player is. At least the Jays have some leverage over half the league by being able to offer him the DH spot on his non pitching days. Hopefully the allure of being a superstar for a team that, in a way, represents a country and not just a city might have some influence on him, too. That is, as long as the contract offer itself is competitive.
BTS Community Moderator Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 If Otani does post this offseason, 30 teams will be in play because the max commitment he can receive under the new CBA is a signing bonus of less than $10M. Hard to see him choosing Toronto when literally 30 teams will be offering him almost identical compensation.
glory Old-Timey Member Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 Anyone who thinks Otani is not going to the Dodgers is fooling themselves.
Cbert Verified Member Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 If Otani does post this offseason, 30 teams will be in play because the max commitment he can receive under the new CBA is a signing bonus of less than $10M. Hard to see him choosing Toronto when literally 30 teams will be offering him almost identical compensation. Ah okay. I thought there was something about a max offer now. Is this because he's under 23?
Dick_Pole Old-Timey Member Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 We'd have to overpay for Otani. The big teams will all make a play and we'd have to give him a reason to come to Toronto. I bet he doesn't even know this city exists. Are you crazy? This is the best I mean the BEST TIME EVER to be a team located in Canada. It's never going to get any more favourable than this. Someone please give Trump a Japanese flag to use as a napkin after a hearty lasagna meal.
BTS Community Moderator Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 Ah okay. I thought there was something about a max offer now. Is this because he's under 23? Yeah, he's subject to the international bonus restrictions because of his age. It actually makes no sense whatsoever for him to come over now.
jaysblue Old-Timey Member Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 I expect this FO will make a play for Otani when he's posted. I bought an Otani jersey when I was in Japan this spring. Also, saw a Fighters/Tigers game as well, though he was injured unfortunately.
Cbert Verified Member Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 Yeah, he's subject to the international bonus restrictions because of his age. It actually makes no sense whatsoever for him to come over now. Good point, but hasn't he been the one asking his team to post him despite the rules? I think they've just been reluctant because they still have years of control left on him.
BTS Community Moderator Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 Good point, but hasn't he been the one asking his team to post him despite the rules? I think they've just been reluctant because they still have years of control left on him. Yeah, he apparently wants to come over anyway. People are suggesting that he might sign for $9M or whatever the limit is, and have a handshake agreement for a 200M extension that would be announced during the season, but there's a lot of risk there for him: if he gets hurt, or pitches terribly, there would be nothing holding the team to their end of the bargain. And nobody knows how long this would have to be delayed for MLB to not consider it circumvention of the CBA.
Cbert Verified Member Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 Yeah, he apparently wants to come over anyway. People are suggesting that he might sign for $9M or whatever the limit is, and have a handshake agreement for a 200M extension that would be announced during the season, but there's a lot of risk there for him: if he gets hurt, or pitches terribly, there would be nothing holding the team to their end of the bargain. And nobody knows how long this would have to be delayed for MLB to not consider it circumvention of the CBA. Yeah, definitely risky but that's the sorta proposition I'm hoping the Jays are considering.
Sammy225 Old-Timey Member Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 Yeah, he apparently wants to come over anyway. People are suggesting that he might sign for $9M or whatever the limit is, and have a handshake agreement for a 200M extension that would be announced during the season, but there's a lot of risk there for him: if he gets hurt, or pitches terribly, there would be nothing holding the team to their end of the bargain. And nobody knows how long this would have to be delayed for MLB to not consider it circumvention of the CBA. I don;t know if any team would do that or not. You could alienate a lot of people, for example he gets hurt or does not perform and you pull that extension that was discussed your likely going to loose potential players from coming to your team because they don't trust you even though it is in the teams best interest not to sign him that long. It could put your team in a terrible position.
Cleveland Steamer Verified Member Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 I expect Estrada to be a Blue Jay next season.
John_Havok Old-Timey Member Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 I expect Estrada to be a Blue Jay next season. I expect you will die a virgin.
Cleveland Steamer Verified Member Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 I expect you will die a virgin. I expect you will die a virgin and still a loser.
THANOS Old-Timey Member Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 I expect you will die a virgin and still a loser. Wtf?
Cleveland Steamer Verified Member Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 Wtf? I'm just responding to Havoc's troll post.
John_Havok Old-Timey Member Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 I'm just responding to Havoc's troll post. Havok with a K please. Speling iz hard an stuf
Cleveland Steamer Verified Member Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 Havok with a K please. Speling iz hard an stuf I only care if I spell people's names correct of those people I respect. Havoc, you're just trash so I didn't bother checking.
John_Havok Old-Timey Member Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 I only care if I spell people's names correct of those people I respect. Havoc, you're just trash so I didn't bother checking. Excellent. Having your respect would be worse than having AIDS. Carry on.
vdubmvp Old-Timey Member Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 Havok with a K please. Speling iz hard an stuf AFI fan?
Cleveland Steamer Verified Member Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 Excellent. Having your respect would be worse than having AIDS. Carry on. Later trash man.
John_Havok Old-Timey Member Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 AFI fan? Nope. I was radio DJ years back and had to come up with a name for the air on a new station in town because nobody in their right mind uses their real name, cuz of stalkers like Cleveland Steamer up there. Me and another DJ from the station were sitting in Boston Pizza one night brainstorming and eventually came to John Havoc... but I just didn't like the c at the end. I ws big into comics as a kid and remembered Cyclops brother from the Xmen was called Havok.... bada boom.
Cleveland Steamer Verified Member Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 Nope. I was radio DJ years back and had to come up with a name for the air on a new station in town because nobody in their right mind uses their real name, cuz of stalkers like Cleveland Steamer up there. Me and another DJ from the station were sitting in Boston Pizza one night brainstorming and eventually came to John Havoc... but I just didn't like the c at the end. I ws big into comics as a kid and remembered Cyclops brother from the Xmen was called Havok.... bada boom. Hey Havoc. You forgot to include the part where you were a low-end male prostitute after your DJing career flamed out.
Cleveland Steamer Verified Member Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 See vdub? Stalker. Havoc, look back a few posts to see who started this. You like to dish it out, but when you get it back, you go crying to mommy.
John_Havok Old-Timey Member Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 Havoc, look back a few posts to see who started this. You like to dish it out, but when you get it back, you go crying to mommy. Yup. I'm the one crying. For sure.
Cleveland Steamer Verified Member Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 Yup. I'm the one crying. For sure. Yes that's what I said. You obviously aren't the sharpest tool. You are a tool though. Go eat (another) dick. I'm out.
John_Havok Old-Timey Member Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 Yes that's what I said. You obviously aren't the sharpest tool. You are a tool though. Go eat (another) dick. I'm out. Thanks for stopping by. See you tomorrow when you get your hour of internet time.
Cleveland Steamer Verified Member Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 Thanks for stopping by. See you tomorrow when you get your hour of internet time. And you enjoy playing with yourself tonight!
Terminator Old-Timey Member Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 Excellent thread. Good job guys.
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