General 2017 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[metafour]

Gurriel is back!

[Ray]

I hope he starts in AA, kills it, and we see him in September.

[HERPDERP]

JD wants changes to the lineup, Gibby doesn't

 

http://slam.canoe.com/Slam/Baseball/MLB/Toronto/2017/06/19/22732444.html

[LGBJ29]

JD wants changes to the lineup, Gibby doesn't

 

http://slam.canoe.com/Slam/Baseball/MLB/Toronto/2017/06/19/22732444.html

 

Donny just went right ahead and called out Jose and Kenny Mo

[Brownie19]

JD wants changes to the lineup, Gibby doesn't

 

http://slam.canoe.com/Slam/Baseball/MLB/Toronto/2017/06/19/22732444.html

 

Basically JD says Jose and Morales suck (at getting on base). It's interesting he doesn't harp on how s***** Pillar is at getting on base (in front of him).

 

IMO, the lineup should be:

 

Pearce or Martin

JD

Jose

Smoak

Morales

Pearce or Martin

Tulo

Pillar

Goins/Barney

[Muck Bartinez]

JD wants changes to the lineup, Gibby doesn't

 

http://slam.canoe.com/Slam/Baseball/MLB/Toronto/2017/06/19/22732444.html

 

Pretty good article. Donaldson comes across as being the absolute man, and Gibby the filthy fun loving casual.

 

Not sure if there's any data to back this up, but part of what Gibby says seems to hold true, about guys hitting better in certain spots. I wonder if Smoak moved up, would he get pitched to differently, or do worse for another reason? It seemed like every time Travis got moved up, he would do much worse. McCutchen has been raking since he got moved to 6th. I'd like to see some kind of Pitch F/X sort of thing that shows what pitches are typically thrown and where to each spot in the batting order.

[HERPDERP]

Pretty good article. Donaldson comes across as being the absolute man, and Gibby the filthy fun loving casual.

 

Not sure if there's any data to back this up, but part of what Gibby says seems to hold true, about guys hitting better in certain spots. I wonder if Smoak moved up, would he get pitched to differently, or do worse for another reason? It seemed like every time Travis got moved up, he would do much worse. McCutchen has been raking since he got moved to 6th. I'd like to see some kind of Pitch F/X sort of thing that shows what pitches are typically thrown and where to each spot in the batting order.

 

I think Smoak is too mental. Doesn't like swinging at 3-0.

[glory]

I think hitters do prefer to hit in certain spots in the lineup. I don't know about Smoak specifically, though.

 

Move Jose to lead off, Pillar to 8th, and move everyone else up one. So, Jose-JD-Morales-Smoak-etc. That seems to be the common sense move based on the talent involved. I'd be ok with Pearce at lead off too, but don't think Gibby has that faith in him yet.

[Effit]

Just let Donaldson be player/manager.

[Brownie19]

Just let Donaldson be player/manager.

 

Would never work. He has too much ego to coach.

[burlingtonbandit]

Smoak should probably be hitting 4th and Morales 5th but that isn't a huge thing. Biggest problem is Pillar has been ice cold in the leadoff spot. Martin should probably be moved up there. .374 OBP this year.

[Effit]

I don't really care too much what else they do, but good god get Pillar out of there.

[Dick_Pole]

I'm never going to jump on the Martin to leadoff bandwagon. He already has enough workload and will play around 75% of the games. No need to give him an extra PA two-thirds of the time. Put Tulowitzki there instead.

[Ray]

Partial to Pearce leading off. Finally hitting well since his rocky start.

 

Martin wouldn't be bad. Anyone but Pillar right now. Infact, just give him a day or 2 off and play DSJ.

[Brownie19]

I'm never going to jump on the Martin to leadoff bandwagon. He already has enough workload and will play around 75% of the games. No need to give him an extra PA two-thirds of the time. Put Tulowitzki there instead.

 

ahhhh - might as well leave Pillar there if that's your solution to the problem.

[G-Snarls]

Dexter Fowler sure would look good in the 1 spot right now

 

Just sayin'...

[Brownie19]

Dexter Fowler sure would look good in the 1 spot right now

 

Just sayin'...

 

+1.

 

Remember when people though Jose would come in angry and torch the league?

[Deadpool]

I think Smoak is too mental. Doesn't like swinging at 3-0.

 

I'd prefer of more of the team was more selective 3-0. I don't mind giving the green light sometimes, but giving it to everyone on the team, every time is... Not my preference.

 

If you're going to swing 3-0, you'd better keyhole the motherf***er, is all I'm saying.

[burlingtonbandit]

I'm never going to jump on the Martin to leadoff bandwagon. He already has enough workload and will play around 75% of the games. No need to give him an extra PA two-thirds of the time. Put Tulowitzki there instead.

 

Not much of an extra workload. All he has to do is jog around the bases when JD/JB/Kendy/Smoak hit homers.

[M.E.]

Any updated word on Sanchez?

[Jonn]

Bautista needs to go back to laying off tough 3-2 pitches. It use to be an automatic walk now he's swinging wildly at them. And he's getting breaking balls the majority of the time.

[HERPDERP]

I'd prefer of more of the team was more selective 3-0. I don't mind giving the green light sometimes, but giving it to everyone on the team, every time is... Not my preference.

 

If you're going to swing 3-0, you'd better keyhole the motherf***er, is all I'm saying.

 

all I'm saying is that if Smoak absolutely refuses to swing at 3-0 because of this small mental block, then shuffling the line-up may affect him negatively too

[Spanky99]

Pillar leading off again tonight...

 

1. Kevin Pillar ® CF

2. Josh Donaldson ® 3B

3. Jose Bautista ® RF

4. Kendrys Morales (S) DH

5. Justin Smoak (S) 1B

6. Troy Tulowitzki ® SS

7. Russell Martin ® C

8. Steve Pearce ® LF

9. Ryan Goins (L) 2B

[G-Snarls]

Let's do Bautista leadoff again

 

Enough of this

[Terminator]

Pillar leading off again tonight...

 

1. Kevin Pillar ® CF

2. Josh Donaldson ® 3B

3. Jose Bautista ® RF

4. Kendrys Morales (S) DH

5. Justin Smoak (S) 1B

6. Troy Tulowitzki ® SS

7. Russell Martin ® C

8. Steve Pearce ® LF

9. Ryan Goins (L) 2B

 

He should be #8 and he's batting first. Enough of this crap.

[Spanky99]

Let's do Bautista leadoff again

 

Enough of this

 

Anyone's better than KP right now.(Aside from 2B)

[Deadpool]

all I'm saying is that if Smoak absolutely refuses to swing at 3-0 because of this small mental block, then shuffling the line-up may affect him negatively too

 

I don't think he "refuses" I think he "doesn't like to". And I agree with his assessment that it's as easy to hit 3-0 as it is to hit 3-1, pitcher is still on the ropes.

[Spanky99]

I don't think he "refuses" I think he "doesn't like to". And I agree with his assessment that it's as easy to hit 3-0 as it is to hit 3-1, pitcher is still on the ropes.

 

You're getting roped in bro... Kilace's trying too hard. Smoak's OBP is through the Roof in that count.

[Jimcanuck]

Where's Gruber?

[G-Snarls]

Where's Gruber?

 

Busy making a "put Ryan Goins in the leadoff spot" thread