Around Baseball 2017

[L54]

Thats what i said.... if he could stay healthy

 

No, it's actually not Jim. That's okay, everyone else sees you were wrong

[L54]

People inflating their thanks count scoring easy points off of Jim's stupidity ITT right now. JD for Morrow, Atkins make it happen now pls.

 

I post on my phone and don't see my "thanks" so that's never my intention. I am merely just calling out dumb opinions.

[Abomination]

Man, I can't remember there ever being an offseason this slow before. There's going to be some players starting to panic real soon I think.

[Bobthe4th]

Man, I can't remember there ever being an offseason this slow before. There's going to be some players starting to panic real soon I think.

 

One factor that hasn't really been mentioned is that teams could be trying to save money for the 2018/19 free agent bonanza.

 

Whatever the reason, it could turn out well for the Jays - both by picking up some bargains, and being offered a sweet deal for JD either now or at the trade deadline.

[glory]

I think it's a combination of saving money for next winter, and also that more and more teams are hiring people who think the same way, so the perceived value of players is probably similar across every team. So in previous years where someone (I'm looking at you, Dumbrowski) would give a one dimensional player or a 30 year old starting pitcher a 7-10 year deal just because, that sort of thing won't happen now because front offices are filled with saber geeks. We just happen to have an off season where the best free agents are in their 30's or have significant flaws so that might explain some of the standstill, whereas next year with Harper, Machado, etc, there won't be any question about their value, it's just about giving them the most money.

[Jimcanuck]

To be fair to Jim, in 2010, Morrow was on pace for 5 WAR/200 innings, 3.6 WAR/200 in 2011 and 3.9 WAR/200 innings in 2012. That's basically the same as Stroman in 2014, 2016, 2017. I think those are #1/#2 numbers.

 

That said - I think it's a stretch to think Morrow would still be a top of the rotation guy in 2018.

 

Well we will never know because he is not durable enough as a starter, which is what I have said all along. Morrow is just another pitcher with front of the rotation stuff that can't stay healthy as a starter. There have been many, many. And that's all I have said.

 

Also I said "a No. 1 or 2 starter on many teams", not top of the rotation.

[Boxcar]

I'd take Happ + Almora for JD. Cubbies could play Bryant in the OF and JD at 3rd. Then deal Pillar to the Giants when they fail to land Billy Hamilton.

 

Gross. Almora f***ing blows and Happ doesn't look like anything special. Surely we could get something better elsewhere. We should deal JD to the Reds for Jesse Winker +

Edited December 31, 2017 by Boxcar

[Abomination]

Gross. Almora f***ing blows and Happy doesn't look like anything special. Surely we could get something better elsewhere. We should deal JD to the Reds for Jesse Winker +

 

What don't you like about Happ? He just put up 24 home runs and a 113 wRC+ (1.8 WAR) in 2/3 of a rookie season at age 22, while almost skipping AAA. He also played average to above average defense.

[Boxcar]

What don't you like about Happ? He just put up 24 home runs and a 113 wRC+ (1.8 WAR) in 2/3 of a rookie season at age 22, while almost skipping AAA. He also played average to above average defense.

 

Strikes out too much, not especially young, projected to be about average next year. I don't trust less than a year's worth of defensive metrics, and neither should you. I don't think he's bad player, he's just nothing special.

[TheHurl]

What don't you like about Happ? He just put up 24 home runs and a 113 wRC+ (1.8 WAR) in 2/3 of a rookie season at age 22, while almost skipping AAA. He also played average to above average defense.

 

Boxy guys are ones that show everything in the minors and do nothing in the majors...not the other way around.

 

With that said, I'm not a huge Happ guy either. He's Neil Walker without the contact

[Abomination]

Strikes out too much, not especially young, projected to be about average next year. I don't trust less than a year's worth of defensive metrics, and neither should you. I don't think he's bad player, he's just nothing special.

 

The Ks are a little concerning, but the walk rate is there too which helps. But not especially young? He just completed his first season at age 22. I mean, he's not a teenage prodigy, but he's ahead of most guys who come up. He's also a full year younger than Winker.

[Brownie19]

Gross. Almora f***ing blows and Happ doesn't look like anything special. Surely we could get something better elsewhere. We should deal JD to the Reds for Jesse Winker +

 

I assume you're trolling. Reds aren't trading for JD and what do you like/see in Winker?

 

I kind of think a package like Almora, Happ + a lottery ticket in Aramis Ademan or something like that might be the best we can get for an expiring contract.

Edited January 1, 2018 by Brownie19

[Boxcar]

Boxy guys are ones that show everything in the minors and do nothing in the majors...not the other way around.

 

With that said, I'm not a huge Happ guy either. He's Neil Walker without the contact

 

Matt Olson

Greg Bird

Jesse Winker

Jameson Taillon

Kyle Hendricks

 

Who isn't getting it done here, you turd?

[P2F]

I assume you're trolling. Reds aren't trading for JD and what do you like/see in Winker?

 

I kind of think a package like Almora, Happ + a lottery ticket in Aramis Ademan or something like that might be the best we can get for an expiring contract.

 

Ademan is probably the Cubs' top prospect.

[Brownie19]

Ademan is probably the Cubs' top prospect.

 

Perfect!

[L54]

Well we will never know because he is not durable enough as a starter, which is what I have said all along. Morrow is just another pitcher with front of the rotation stuff that can't stay healthy as a starter. There have been many, many. And that's all I have said.

 

Also I said "a No. 1 or 2 starter on many teams", not top of the rotation.

 

Sweet back peddle Jim.

 

So you're confident in him being a No. 1 or 2 starter on many teams, just like Dan Straily and Wei-Yen Chen? Gotcha bud.

[TheHurl]

Matt Olson

Greg Bird

Jesse Winker

Jameson Taillon

Kyle Hendricks

 

Who isn't getting it done here, you turd?

 

Bird and Winker

[Brownie19]

ZIPS just threw down a Roberto Clemente comp on Avi Garcia.

 

And Delino DeShields on Yoan Moncada, lol.

 

ZIPS also threw down a MIKE TYSON comp for Yolmer Sanchez. That guy must carry one hell of a right hook.